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Being baptized into the death of Jesus Christ is water baptism, not Spirit baptism. The dead are buried in water baptism but the Spirit gives life to dead believers.
The Spirit is not a mortician
The Spirit is not a mortician
Regardless of your denials, if baptism into Jesus is accomplished by baptism into water, this is exactly what it means.
It means that someome such as my father in law was not baptised into Christ, therefore did not receive new life, therefore does not have eternal life, therefore his faith is for nothing, because he missed out on the real deal - baptism in water.
That's what this mean.
Christ's baptism of the great commission: (Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 16:15-16)
-- does not save; Christ is the only Saviour
-- is not commanded but was --used to be-- commanded
-- is not for all men but was for the apostles only
-- is not administered by men but was administered by the Holy Spirit
-- is not how disciples are made but was how the disciples were made apostles
-- does not last till the end of the world but ended with the generation of the apostles and those who received their, viz., apostolic, authorisation the same as they received from the risen Christ, which was, to "baptise IN THE NAME of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit".
You can spin without breathing for ten minutes non stop it won't change one word of Jesus WRITTEN, till the end of the world.
Colossians 2:12 buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
"In baptism buried" is "buried" in the "baptism wherein also ye are risen with Him". Both "buried" and "raised" are true in the one and only "baptism .. of the operation of God, who hath raised Him from the dead." You die with, that is, in Christ "of the operation" or of the <mortification> "of God" -- of the God who is <The Spirit> that <mortifies> ... or you don't in which case therefore you shall not "ALSO be raised / risen with / in Him", Christ. The idea water would mean anything is arbitrary and irrelevant and superfluous-- the working of God in Christ cannot be improved upon or added to.
The believer is "buried", viz., <mortified> "with Him in baptism through the faith of the operation of God", viz., <The Spirit>, AS MUCH AS he is "also raised / risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God", viz., <The Spirit>! No less mortified by the Holy Spirit than revived or resurrected by the Holy Spirit. Only Jesus has the Power to lay down life as well as take up life again, his own as well as yours and mine.
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Water baptism represents a burial.
Mankind is buried with Christ through water baptism.
Water baptism remits sins, death/burial remits sins.
One must die to be reborn.
We bury the dead.
The born again experience consists of a death, burial per remission of sins and Spirit infilling per acts 2:38.
Modern doctrine teach sins remitted without Acts 2:38, debunking Peter at the birth of the N.T. church.
Not cool.
Ernest T. Bass
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--Baptism of Christ's great commission does save, Mark 16:16
--It is commanded, disciples have been commanded to go and baptize and men have been commanded to be water baptized Acts of the Apostles 10:47-48.
--Water baptism of the great commission is for "all nations" and "every creature".
--disciples (humans) were commanded to go and baptize and they did as Phillip water baptized the eunuch.
--"Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations" How? By "baptizing them" "The participle (“baptizing”) explains “the manner in which the given action [”make disciples"] was performed" (Green, p. 332) (Green, Samuel G. (1907), Handbook to the Grammar of the Greek Testament (London: Religious Tract Society).
--for those that take part in the great commission in going, teaching, baptizing Christ said He wold be with them until the end of the world which implies making disciples by baptizing would last till the end of the world. If no one took part in the great commission, then no disciples would be made and Christianity would die off. This is why teaching the things Christ commanded to new disciples is necessary so those new disciples can go and teach and make other new disciples. This is how Christianity has been perpetuated through the centuries and will perpetuated till the end of time.
No spin zone, the great commission is simple and straight forward.
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You bring up the point that baptism of the great commission is in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit.
In order to heal the division at Corinth, Paul used the necessity of water baptism.
1 Cor 1:12 "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."
Instead of all the Christians at Corinth being "of Christ" they were following after the one who had baptized them hence some said they were "of Paul" or "of Apollos"
1 Cor 1:13 "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"
To heal the division Paul ask a quetion in the negative. Verse 13 stated in the positive Paul is say:
Christ is not divided! Christ was crucified for you, you were baptized in the name of Christ.
Paul's point is that if you going to be "of" someone then two things must be true of that someone. That someone 1) must have been crucified for you and 2) you must be crucified in that someone's name. These 2 things are onlyh true of Christ and not true of any man. Therefore for you to be of Christ, Christ must ahve been crucified for you, which He was (Hebrews 2:9). You must also be baptized in the name of Christ. This baptism in the name of Christ is the same water baptism of the great commission (Matt 28:19-20; Mark 16:16) the same baptism of Acts 2:38 and Acts 10:47-48. Secondly, the phrase "in the name of" is a legal term. If I buy a car I take the papers to have the car registered "in the name of" Ernst T Bass. The term shows ownwership of the car. Hence those who have been baptized 'in the name of Christ" have come into His ownership. Christ does not own those who have not been baptized in His name.
Ernest T. Bass
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Interesting that you point out that water baptism is a "burial" and that one must "die".
--2 Thessalonians 1:8 says in flaming fire God will have vengeance upon those who obey not the gospel of Christ.
--what then is the gospel so one can obey it?
--Paul said the gospel he preached was the DEATH, BURIAL & RESURRECTION of Christ, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.
--if I must obey the gospel and the gospel is the death burial and resurrection of Christ, then how do I die be buried and resurrected as Christ?
--Romans 6:3-5 when one is water baptized the old man of sin DIES, one is BURIED in a watery grave from which one "raised up from" (RESURRECTED) from that watery grave.
There is a death burial and resurrection that takes place in water baptism, hence one has not obeyed the gospel until one has been water baptized. There is no death burial and resurrection that takes place with a 'sinner's prayer' or with "belief only" but in water baptism.
Acts 2:41 "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:..." The implication of this is one who is NOT baptized has not gladly received the word/gospel but has instead rejected it.
Amen.
Per Acts 2, also notice that the 3000 were added to the church prior to Spirit infilling.
The 3000 were buried with Christ to be added to the church per Acts 2.
THE disciples (11 of them) were commanded by the risen Jesus to "go and baptize", and they did as He commanded, THEM, thereby having made them apostles and none other except <humans> the apostles in their lifetime, discipled, like Phillip who <<water baptized the eunuch>> on command or actually, by DEMAND of the UNAUTHORISED and IGNORANT, ASSUMING and preposterous, better-knowing eunuch. No apostle commissioned by the risen Lord and Head of the Church, baptised this haughty servant from Africa who could not understand the Scriptures but thought himself fit to teach his teacher. Maybe he thought water could ... let me keep quiet!
You ADD <water> to God's written, sure, and only, words. No wonder so much trouble originated in the Church because of water baptism!
The case in Acts 10 is just the opposite of what you assert, that <<men have been commanded to be water baptized Acts of the Apostles 10:47-48>>. In verse 45 the Holy Spirit has been "poured out" on the Gentiles whereby they were indeed baptised in the Name of God whom they immediately magnified for it.
"Under no circumstance can water (mehti to hudohr) deny / prevent any (of) these (dunatai kohluhsai tis tou toutous) to be baptised (baptisthehnai) which have received the Holy Spirit just like we have."
One hundred percent! Just a reminder, "Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations" How? By "baptizing them" "The participle (“baptizing”) explains “the manner in which the given action [”make disciples"] was performed" ... "in the NAME"---not in water!
Which means, according to you that a believer is <buried with Christ>, <prior> or without what you call, <Spirit infilling>. As I said before, no wonder water-baptism became the cause of so much trouble, division and hate in the Body of Christ's Own.
Inserting here Acts 10:47-48 simply is inopportune and tactless. With doing so you treat the foregoing EVENT OF REAL APOSTOLIC BAPTISM as of no consequence or Gospel authenticity, "44 WHILE Peter YET SPAKE THESE WORDS, THE HOLY SPIRIT fell on all them which HEARD THE WORD .. because was POURED OUT THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST" even the REBIRTH unto eternal Life "46 WHEREFORE Peter exclaimed: 47 NO WATER NOR ANY MAN can prevent that these which received the Holy Ghost ARE (not) BAPTISED", thus identifying the Gift or Pouring Out of the Holy Ghost with apostolic baptism commissioned by the risen Lord Jesus WHILE IN GALILEE (v37) when He showed Himself to the apostles after "the third day He rose from the dead" -- a DIRECT reference to the 'great commission' given the eleven apostles in Matthew 28 and Mark 16.
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Only begging the question. Which was first, the fowl or the egg?
All the saved are saved by the Christ Jesus of the “Message of Joy” the Gospel, as Paul said, through grace by faith by having HEARD the Word of God He “gave the right to proclaim” – “commissioned” the apostles exclusively WHOSE message the Church – us – have been supposed to (again) tell to the whole world BUT ARE NOT GIVEN THE RIGHT TO CLAIM AS OURS.
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