Rapture Day (Catching up of Believers) is very Near!!

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Naomi25

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"You also commented that "you can't make this stuff up". On this I DID comment, because movies as bizarre as this have been coming out of Hollywood for some time."

I am not discussing Hollywood spin on prophetic word which is unfolding.As bizarre as all this sounds it is not made up-prophetic word.
You see that? That thing disappearing into the distance? That's my point that just flew over your head and disappeared into the horizon.
Never mind. I'll leave you to your somber point. Have a good day.
 

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Connections in Christ's Revelation directly to the final beast kingdom of Daniel 2 and Daniel 7...

Rev 13:1-2
13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
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There's the direct link to Daniel 7 that Jesus showed John, which is for the end of this world. In Revelation 17:8-12, we are shown those ten horns are ten kings that only come to power when the beast king of Rev.17:8, 10, 11, and 13 comes to power. These will then make war with The Lamb (Jesus) and He shall overcome them, setting up His everlasting kingdom, which is a direct link to both Daniel 2:41-45 and Daniel 7:8-14.

Did I deny Rev. ? I am talking about Daniel's dream and I did not say there was no correlation with Rev. I said Daniel's dream is not the same as Nebuchadnezzar's dream. It is more detailed and I tied everything together and elaborated with greater detail concerning all kingdoms. I get it you have 2,427 messages, how dare someone come in here with a new song and challenge your perspective. :rolleyes:.
 

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Since those like @CovenantPromise continue to disrupt this thread's real subject, I will reveal his dishonest interpretation of endtime nation alignments.

Ezekiel 38 is another way to understand just what nations... are involved being against Israel at the end of this world, and the United States of America certainly is NOT... on that list. Nor is any... European country on that list.


The list of nations in Ezekiel 38 aligned against Israel for the end:

1. "the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal" -- the prince of Rhos, or Russia. Meshech and Tubal point to Moscow and Tobolsk. No big mystery, since Russia has been one of the main supporters of the Arabs against the state of Israel and the western Christian nations.

2. "Persia" -- the areas of Iran and Iraq. I don't think I need to reveal their working today against Israel and the western nations, and their alignment with Communist nations like Russia and Red China.

3. "Libya" -- remember their supporting terrorists when U.S. President Regean ordered F-111 bombers to bomb their camps in 1986? No further explanation needed there. Just another Muslim country against Israel and the West.

4. "Ethiopia" -- the old Ethiopia used to include all the lands of Sudan. Sudan is another Arab terrorist state today against Israel and the West. Anyone seeing a pattern here?

5. "Gomer" -- the areas around the ex-Soviet Union, like Georgia; ex-Soviet satellites, i.e., primarily Communist nations. Russian Communism is not over brethren. It is still aligned against Israel and the Christian west today.

6. "Togarmah" -- ancient Togarmah were the lands of what today is called Turkey. This is the only nation on the list that today has yet to align with the other above nations and Russia, but it is slowly moving in that direction. Turkey is a NATO ally to the western European nations and the U.S. Yet Turkey is a Muslim nation. Because they bought weapons from Russia that could shoot down some of our missles, President Trump has canceled shipment of American made F-35 fighters to them, and sent their pilots training here in the U.S. back to Turkey. So Turkey is moving more and more to align with Russia. That's an area to especially be watching today.


Per Ezekiel 38, these nations' armies are to come upon Israel out of their northern quarters, on the final day of this present world. That is when our Lord Jesus will come with His army to fight them and destroy that army.

Ezek 38:13
13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

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Ancient Tarshish points to ancient Spain, most likely the isle of Tartessos (modern Andalusia, Spain) which was a famous merchant area, a harbor city in southern Spain. Why is this important to note here in Ezekiel 38:13? It's because it reveals that great army out of the northern quarters is not just coming upon the land of Israel, but upon the western Christian nations also on the last day! Spain is a Christian nation today. And Sheba and Dedan there represent poorer Arab countries not allied with that northern army above.

So don't listen brethren to those pushing lies like the U.S. or Europe is going to attack the state of Israel. That idea is from Christ's enemies, not God's Word.
 

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You are entitled to share views. I haven't even finished yet , you do not know what the conclusion is of my point . You can shout me down all you want. Actually the last kingdom is fostered by the Edom Jew who owns everything , mostly. Jacob's (Israel's) own enemy will be in His own camp and kin. As long as the Messiah continues to grow among the remnant of Jacob the Edom Jew who established Israel again as a nation ,paid for the design of their flag and owns just about the whole world, he will continue to plot and scheme against the remnant. And will be the support secretly behind the nations who will attack Jacob . You have no clue what I am getting at because you just want to shout down any different view . Smells like fear, so I must be right. Because I could careless if you share your views. I am never shaken. If you think America is perfect, then heaven will always elude you. Clearly it is Jesus's kingdom which shall endure ONLY. That is revealed in Nebuchadnezzar's dream that you claim to know so much about. So your point? Clearly I believe what God revealed in it . Hence why I only profess the kingdom of heaven and you are defending men's kingdoms. It is okay to speak your mind but you are not entitled to change the word. And God is not happy with any of man's kingdoms.
 

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Davy , as for getting off topic, am I ? The purpose of the 'Snatching up' is to deliver the portion who will see the coming of the Lord from the heavens. Everything I am posting is to help preserve souls from what is at the door. My post are for those who seek to survive and run their race and win. I will never promote contentment with nations. Nor will I shut up because people like you lie about what is. And America is in the scriptures. Are you affraid of the truth? As long as God prompts me I will not allow people to be lulled to sleep with false security in denial of nations history's and what is ACTUALLY GOING ON. As long as God gives me sight into the secret agendas and puppets of satan I will speak. Whoever knows Him hears the truth. And so far you have denied the truth of ONLY CHRIST' kingdom is eternal. And the kingdom of heaven is not of this world ! AND IT IS represented by those who have it within. We are the kingdom , the believers who stand upon His righteous WORD and the kingdom's of men do not!
 

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As time is so short now to when the Lord will once again act to correct the world situation, that is again as in the days of Noah, then we Christians should have a proper and correct knowledge of what He has planned for His people.

There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anybody, except the two Witnesses and they get killed first.
We all must face the Lords Day of fiery wrath, best described in Luke 21:25-26 and Luke 21:34-36, 1 Peter 4:12, +
Note; Luke 21:36 says; Be on the alert, praying at all times for the strength to pass safely thru all that is coming.... preceded by; ...that Day will come upon everyone the whole world over. Revised English Bible
People cannot 'escape' this forthcoming Judgment/punishment. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 3:8

We are told what we must do; Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
 
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As time is so short now to when the Lord will once again act to correct the world situation, that is again as in the days of Noah, then we Christians should have a proper and correct knowledge of what He has planned for His people.

There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anybody, except the two Witnesses and they get killed first.
We all must face the Lords Day of fiery wrath, best described in Luke 21:25-26 and Luke 21:34-36, 1 Peter 4:12, +
Note; Luke 21:36 says; Be on the alert, praying at all times for the strength to pass safely thru all that is coming.... preceded by; ...that Day will come upon everyone the whole world over. Revised English Bible
People cannot 'escape' this forthcoming Judgment/punishment. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 3:8

We are told what we must do; Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
Yes they do and yes will be called up to heaven after three days. Agreed, no one will be removed from the earth before the return of the Lion of Judah at the Last Trumpet .All will be here during the terrible events , not be removed before. But the elect few who are here at His return, will then, be transformed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye and not fall asleep to the earth but be snatched up. But at the end of it all.
 

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Yes they do and yes will be called up to heaven after three days. Agreed, no one will be removed from the earth before the return of the Lion of Judah at the Last Trumpet .All will be here during the terrible events , not be removed before. But the elect few who are here at His return, will then, be transformed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye and not fall asleep to the earth but be snatched up. But at the end of it all.
Good that you agree that we will all be here during all that must happen until Jesus Returns. Bu I do not see that time as being so bad for those who keep their faith in the Lord, as He does promise to bless and protect His people.

The prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, will happen at the Great White Throne, when those whose names are Written in the Book of Life will receive immortality. Revelation 21:1-7
Proved by how it is only then that Death is no more.
 
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Good that you agree that we will all be here during all that must happen until Jesus Returns. Bu I do not see that time as being so bad for those who keep their faith in the Lord, as He does promise to bless and protect His people.

The prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, will happen at the Great White Throne, when those whose names are Written in the Book of Life will receive immortality. Revelation 21:1-7
Proved by how it is only then that Death is no more.
Presently reading over your articles. You seem as fascinated as I am with prophecy. I'll let you know what I think. I am always straight forward and my yes is yes and my no , no. Thanks for sharing , as I said I will let you know God Bless!
 
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You are entitled to share views. I haven't even finished yet , you do not know what the conclusion is of my point ....

Your suppositions on Daniel 7 are easy to disprove. Assigning England as the lion symbol is really a joke, and suggests you have a private agenda. There is no Bible prophecy about England being against the state of Israel in the last days, and especially nothing about England or the U.S. coming against the state of Israel in the last days.

The great army out of the northern quarters that is to come upon Israel on the last day of this world is listed in Ezekiel 38 as I have already shown, and no western nation is involved in that list.

Moreover, the Gog and Magog list in Ezekiel 38 is not the same army that Satan will lead after Christ's future return and thousand years reign as per Revelation 20. Satan's army of Rev.20 goes up against the "camp of the saints" on earth, which means Christ's elect. At present, the orthodox unbelieving Jews are in control of today's state of Israel in the middle east, not Christians.

Thus it's very... easy for a true student of God's Word to know your doctrine is false.
 

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The 'rapture to heaven' theory is a false teaching, spread by the 'wolves in the flock'. They will be severely punished.

The timing some use may be in dispute, but the concept is valid. And when I say the timing may be in dispute, I mean the division between pre-trib, mid-trib, and pre-wrath positions. Post trib doesn't qualify.

Isaiah 26:19-21 (NKJV) Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
21 For behold, the Lord comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;

The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

John 14:2-3 (NKJV) In My Father's house are many mansions [ chambers ]; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Now, all I used is scripture following the requirement of Torah as exampled by the Bereans in Acts 17. No commentary interjected in between. Seems pretty clear that a removal of the righteous both dead and living occurs at some point before the Lord's wrath is poured out. And it seems both these dead and living enter the chambers prepared for them by the Lord.. where? In His Father's house. And most would view that the Father's House is a reference to Heaven.

The only dispute that one could argue about the text is whether this gathering of the dead and living righteous occurs a the pre-trib, mid-trib, or Pre-wrath, time frame. But that it does happens seems pretty clear. So a removal or "rapture" to heaven idea is supported and doesn't fall to the level of "false theory", "wolves in sheep's clothing" and whatever other defamation one wants to throw out.

The entire passage of Isaiah 26 has references to the final end times stuff. The labor pains, opening the gates so the righteous nation may enter, the judgments upon the earth, etc. So the context of the passage I did quote above is a end times application.
 
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More lies against God's Word is what the Pre-tribbers offer.

Isaiah 26:19-21 (NKJV) Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
21 For behold, the Lord comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;

The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

There's the abuse of Scripture the Pre-trib Rapture school does, adding something to Scripture that does not exist. There is no evidence of a pre-tribulational rapture in those Isaiah 26 verses. It is an evidence for a Post-tribulational gathering of the Church at Christ's coming if anything, simply because that is the actual Bible witness Jesus gave for the timing of His gathering of the saints...

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

In 2 Thessalonians 2, Apostle Paul also showed that the coming Antichrist must first be revealed sitting in the "temple of God" in Jerusalem prior to Christ's coming to gather the Church, and that Jesus will destroy that false one with the "brightness of His coming". When that false one is setup in Jerusalem for the end, that is the time of great tribulation Jesus forewarned of in Matt.24:15-26.

John 14:2-3 (NKJV) In My Father's house are many mansions [ chambers ]; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Pre-trib abuses that John 14 Scripture too, adding their secret rapture idea into it where it is not written there at all. Firstly, they show they are not familiar with The Father's House written of in the last nine chapters of the Book of Ezekiel, which is for after Christ's return. The Greek word for "mansions" means 'abodes'. Our Lord Jesus is talking about the abodes of His priests in the future Millennium sanctuary of Ezekiel 40 thru 47. That sanctuary will be on earth, which Rev.5 tells us also on earth is where the saints will reign from.

The Pre-tribbers also get drunken on that "I will come again..." idea, adding their pre-tribulational secret rapture to it also. Jesus was standing on earth with His disciples when He said that. That "I will come again" is about His return to... Heaven?? No, of course not. It's about His return to this earth at His 2nd coming! The Scripture is simple, but because of the Pre-trib Rapture doctors adding to Scripture, it completely turns the direction of Christ's 2nd coming around, and points Him back to Heaven. The actual Scripture does no such thing...

1 Thess 4:14
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.
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1 Thess 4:16
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

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Where is Jesus going to bring those 'asleep' saints with Him to like Paul says? It's in the next verse. Our Lord Jesus is going to DESCEND FROM HEAVEN, to the earth of course when He comes, as Apostle Paul said. And did you notice the dead in Christ are raised then, which is the resurrection at the end of this world? That puts this event of Christ's coming to gather His Church on the very LAST DAY of this world...

John 6:39
39 And this is the Father's will Which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

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Do you see anywhere what Jesus said in the above a rapture prior to the tribulation? No, of course not, simply because the Pre-trib Rapture school claims their rapture of the Church happens prior... to the tribulation, which definitely is not... the 'last day' of this world like Jesus said there.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

The Pre-tribbers cannot read that simple Scripture. They are drunken on their secret rapture idea of being taken out of this world prior to the tribulation, which is not written anywhere there. Notice how their focus on that 1 Thess.4 Scripture is simply on that idea of being "caught up" in the clouds to meet The Lord in the air. And they bypass that Scripture evidence for where Jesus is coming to (i.e., the earth), in order to gather His Church, and also that resurrection of the dead saints that rise first which Jesus brings with Him!

Moreover, Pre-trib teaches lies against our Lord Jesus' Olivet discourse in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, saying that's not about the Church, but about the Jews. In reality though, Jesus gave the SAME event of His coming to gather His saints as Apostle Paul did in 1 Thess.4. In Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus gave the evidence for the asleep saints being gathered from Heaven. And in the Mark 13:24-27 example He gave the evidence for His saints still alive on earth being gathered. In both examples He gave direct evidence for that happening immediately after the tribulation of those days! That means Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.4 was teaching the SAME gathering event our Lord Jesus taught in His Olivet discourse. It's no wonder too, because of this earlier evidence He also gave in the Old Testament prophet Zechariah...

Zech 14:1-5
14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.
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Now the pre-trib school tries to put a stopper in all that by saying the rapture of the Church and Christ's 2nd coming are two separate events at two separate times. Scripture evidence I've already shown reveals Christ's only time of coming the gather the asleep saints on the last day of this world, which is when the resurrection of the dead saints will happen. This is yet another Scripture evidence that shows our Lord Jesus when He comes, He DESCENDS to earth like Paul said, and it's on His way to Jerusalem there when He gathers His faithful Church, both from Heaven (asleep saints), and His saints still alive on earth.
 

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The timing some use may be in dispute, but the concept is valid. And when I say the timing may be in dispute, I mean the division between pre-trib, mid-trib, and pre-wrath positions. Post trib doesn't qualify.

Did you notice folks that Copperhead just said there that the timing of the rapture "may be in dispute" among the pre-trib, mid-trib, and pre-wrath positions, and a post-trib doesn't even qualify? His trying to scrap the coming of Christ to gather His Church after the tribulation, which is the post-trib position, is proof that he will submit to other positions except... the only actual one written in God's Word...

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

KJV
 

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The timing some use may be in dispute, but the concept is valid
None of your quoted scriptures say the Lord will take His people to heaven. Or anywhere else in the Bible.
Where is the Fathers House that He is making for His people? In heaven, yes; but it isn't until it come to the earth, as Revelation 21:1-3 tells us, that any human gets to live in it.

The gathering of all the dead happens AFTER the Millennium. Only then does everyone who has ever lived stand before God in Judgment. There is no spiritual change or immortality given before the Book of Life is opened, then.

Please consider the alternative to a 'rapture'; we go to live in all of the holy Land, where the Lord has promised to protect and prosper us. Isaiah 62:1-5 He will destroy the attackers from the North, Joel 2:20, Ezekiel 38-39.
Much is prophesied to happen, the Jesus will Return and those who have proved their faithfulness will be His priests and co rulers for the Millennium.

Lord, our hope is in You – save us when trouble comes
Isaiah 33:1-6 Woe betide you destroyer, yourself destroyed. After all your betrayals, you too will be betrayed. Isaiah 21:2

Lord, show us Your favour, our hope is in You. Save us when trouble comes. Psalms 74:19, Isaiah 26:16-21

At the crack of thunder, peoples flee – nations are scattered at Your roar. They are stripped of spoil, as by a swarm of locusts. Isaiah 10:17-19, Isa. 18:18-19

The Lord is supreme, for He dwells on high. He will fill Zion with justice and righteousness. Your peoples strength is in Your unchanging stability, their deliverance is in wisdom and knowledge, their treasure is the respect of the Lord.

Isaiah 33:7-9 Listen, brave men cry aloud for help. Those seeking peace are thwarted.
The roads are deserted, no one moves, treaties are flouted. Ezekiel 36:3-4, Psalms 144:7-8
The land is dry. Lebanon, Sharon, Bashan and Gilead are stripped bare. Ezekiel 36:34, Joel 1:19-20, Amos 1

Isaiah 33:10-16 Now, I shall arise and exalt Myself, says the Lord. Psalms 74:22-23 You will conceive chaff and bring forth stubble, a wind like fire will devour you. Whole nations will be as heaps of white ash, like thorns set ablaze. Hebrews 10:27, 2 Peter 3:7

You who are far away, hear what I have done. You who are near, acknowledge My power. Deuteronomy 30:1-10

The sinners in Zion are terrified, the godless are seized with trembling. They ask; How can we live with this consuming fire? Zephaniah 1:4-6, & 14-18, Isaiah 22:1-14

Those who live righteously and speak the truth, who do not take bribes, rejecting all evil – they will dwell securely with ample food and water. Psalms 85:12

Isaiah 33:17-24 Your eyes will see a King in his glory and view a Land that stretches into the distance. Numbers 24:15-19
You will call to mind what you once feared. Where are they now? Those barbarous people whose speech you could not understand. Psalms 58:10-11, Psalms 37:8-15
Look upon Zion, Jerusalem, city of sacred festivals. A secure abode, never again to be moved. Amos 9:13-15
There the Lord will be in His majesty, a peaceful place. A place of broad rivers, but no ships will sail there.
The Lord is our judge and lawgiver. He is our King who will save us. Zechariah 8:7-8
Your rigging hangs loose, the mast is not secure and your sails are not set. Luke 12:35-36. Then all will take a share in the spoils. Zechariah 9:17

No one living in Zion will get sick and the sins of the people will be pardoned. Psalms 126:1-3
Ref: REB some verses abridged

Verse 5 says ‘the Lord dwells on high’. So, before His Return, we see in verses 3-4 & 10-11, the nations as at present and in V14 Judah’s judgement. V15-16 say His faithful people will live prosperously in the Land, then V17-24 speaks of the Return of Jesus and His reign during the Millennium.
 

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None of your quoted scriptures say the Lord will take His people to heaven. Or anywhere else in the Bible.

Will respectfully disagree. The scripture I posted seems pretty clear. One doesn't have to allegorize anything to see it. Just letting it say what it does.
 

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His trying to scrap the coming of Christ to gather His Church after the tribulation, which is the post-trib position, is proof that he will submit to other positions except... the only actual one written in God's Word...

You already have been caught in other threads manipulating the very words of scripture, and ample evidence was presented to that effect. You continue to ignore that sin. None of what you post is worthy of consideration.
 

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You already have been caught in other threads manipulating the very words of scripture, and ample evidence was presented to that effect. You continue to ignore that sin. None of what you post is worthy of consideration.

Well, of course now you are bearing false witness. I contested the Daniel 8:9-14 and Daniel 8:23-25 Scriptures which are about the final Antichrist for the end of this world. But folks like you have no problem bearing false witness, since the very foundation you're on of a pre-trib secret rapture is based on a lie to start with.
 
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Well, of course now you are bearing false witness. I contested the Daniel 8:9-14 and Daniel 8:23-25 Scriptures which are about the final Antichrist for the end of this world. But folks like you have no problem bearing false witness, since the very foundation you're on of a pre-trib secret rapture is based on a lie to start with.

I may not have all the pieces figured out, but you actually changed the text of the scripture of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 in a previous post while claiming I did. I then produced 3 different examples of the same text. One from Genevabible.org, another from a screen shot of a scanned copy of the 1560 Geneva Bible, and one from the BibleGateway site you claimed to have used along with a link direct to it for others to confirm, to prove that you had indeed changed the wording of the scripture to fit your narrative. So you sinned in changing the text of scripture itself, and you defamed my character and slandered me at the same time. You sinned and you have yet to acknowledge it.

And you have done it again in your comments above. That I am Bearing false witness and lying. For that to be true, implies willful intent to deceive. That is again slander and defamation. Like I said, I may not have all the pieces of the puzzle lined up right, as no one can make that claim since we are all imperfect, but that in no way means I have intentional malice to deceive others.

You sir, have absolutely no shame. You exhibit no evidence of the Holy Spriit. You have continued to violate the 9th commandment against a brother. If in fact you are a brother, of which you have generated a high level of doubt.