Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

Bobby Jo · Dec 8, 2019

Truther said:
Yes Iron sharpens iron

... but we're still some 18 months into the 42 month Tribulation. And those who are not using their PURSE, BAG, and SWORD in preparation WILL be caught unaware:

1 Thess. 5:3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

We all choose,
Bobby Jo

JohnPaul · Dec 8, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
I know the story but is there some generational line that followed?

Well the supposed evil Jews that don’t accept Jesus as their Messiah are of the Cain line who is the offspring of Satan in the garden of Eden with Eve.

JohnPaul · Dec 8, 2019

Reggie Belafonte said:
Yep ! so what.
Have you heard of Jesus Christ, he came ! it's all about the Holy Spirit now, so you abide or you don't, the Holy Spirit is for everyone, all this racist BS is a joke, I thought that the world had got over such nonsense as the so called race idolising.

If one is not in Christ, then they are nothing but of Satan regardless of who they think or claim that they are.

No one is being racist, the Jews that don’t accept Christ and trying to rule the world are of the seed of Cain. Satan’s seed from the garden of Eden with Eve.

Reggie Belafonte · Dec 8, 2019

Stan B said:
A total fantasy created by someone who has too much time on their hands, and total nonsense. The important thing is to discover what the Bible has to say about this. Nothing!

The six pointed star is no more evil than the Stars and Stripes!!!

St Stephen pointed out exactly what that Star represented and many of the Jews who were in the State that is called Israel were pissed off with that on the Flag when they first seen it. it's supposed to be the menorah as that's what is truly their foundations under God and not some Satanic dribble like that man made rubbish. it's idolising the works of Man as God.
The poor stupid bastards have no hope, because it's a deception, it's not of God in fact.

Reggie Belafonte · Dec 8, 2019

Stan B said:
That is total nonsense!! The Roman Catholic Church has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel. Israel has a people elected democratic government.

The Jewish Rothschild family did indeed fund early Israeli settlements, even before the Balfour Declaration. Must have pissed off Satan immensely!!!

Zionism is clearly God's plan for this present age, as confirmed by Ezekiel.

Pope Frances is Lord Rothschild's puppet in fact, I seen this take place on TV where Pope Frances came to Lord Rothschild who was siting in a chair just like the Pope does when in his authority and his loyal underlings come up and kiss his ring, now the same thing happened with Pope Francis coming down and doing the same to Lord Rothschild. you can view it on youtube and see it for yourself I seen it on the News on the day and I understood what that means in fact. Pope Francis is bowing down to Lord Rothschild as his superior in fact as to idolise him as God on Earth. So that proves Pope Francis to be a Satanist. No Pope dose such a thing ever ! but this idiot got away with it.
Pope Francis is a Satanist and his early history is a shocker, the man is a filthy grub not to mention a so called Jesuit and they are controlled by the Talmud Golden Calf mob, as they have wormed there way into this order and all of the Protestants over the many years and after WW2 that they created and then got control in the Church bit by bit slowly bastardising the Church and they were hard at work in driving all the new up coming Priest away and putting Satanic Communist and Sodomites into the Priesthood and high positions.

The creation of the so called State of Israel is all the work of Satan and that is a fact right from the recreation of this nonsense.

Fact is that Jesus Christ is the King of Israel = the Head of the Body of the Church.

Anyone who says that the State claiming to be Israel nowadays is of Satan.

The RCC has always claimed to be the inheritance of Israel and I remember Pope JP II for years rejecting the new State claims to be Israel, this went on and on in the News for years as the media pushed and pushed, trying to make out that old Pope JP II was a total fool, they tried to degrade him everyway that they could making a mockery of him to all uneducated morons that knew no better, so that I had atheist and any fool saying to me how stupid JP II was, like does he not understand that this State exist, well yes he did but the fact was that he rejected to it being called Israel, was what the whole point was about in fact, because to say that it was Israel would to be claiming the RCC to be a lie, you understand that ?
Now they could of called it Judah ! fine Pope JP II would have no problem with that at all. but what the Talmud so called Zionist Jews were claiming was that it was the Servants of God ( Israel ) and rejecting Jesus Christ in fact ! so how could JP II play to such a display of ignorance. Oh boy the cunning of Satan at work can be seen, not to mention that the worthy Jews who even live in the State do not claim the State to be Israel at all in fact, it's the Whore that controls the State claiming that lie. not to mention that the true worthy devout Jews say that the so called Zionist do not represent them at all as they despise the Zionist as Nazis.

So there you had it the Media bastardising the true topic of the situation claiming one thing over and over but never reporting on the truth of the whole subject at hand, but playing games with the uneducated ignorant people until they got what they wanted, the Devil was in the detail ! and the fact is that the Talmud Jews controls and owns like 90% of the worlds news media, so they can play the majority for fools.

Soverign Grace · Dec 9, 2019

Truther said:
Yes, most folks actually think Hebrews 8(quoting Jer 31) is talking about the church.

Not at all...that idea is replacement theology also.

The only piece of this passage given to future national Israel for use of the church, which the church is INCLUDED in, is Hebrews 10:15-17.

That’s all we get.

The entire promise is to future National Israel and we are merely in a pre-millennial, partial millennial experience.

We are at best, viewing the kingdom of Jesus Christ through a welders mask now.

It is not all about us, but all about God’s promise to the fathers and us included(precluding) in a minor way.

The best is yet to come at the full reign of Jesus Christ on the earth for 1000 years.

What verses make you think the promise was to the nation of Israel? I thought those promises were to His people - us. The Jews rejected Him and many still do although there are many who accept Him.

Soverign Grace · Dec 9, 2019

Stan B said:
It is called the Abrahamic Covenant, which was passed on from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob and his descendants:

The Lord said to Abram,
“Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;
And I will make you a great nation,
And I will bless you,
And make your name great;
And so you shall be a blessing;
3 And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”
Genesis 12

It is an eternal covenant which never expires.

Yes but then they walked away from Him again and again. Isn't that when we were then who became His chosen people?

Soverign Grace · Dec 9, 2019

Truther said:
My former point.

"Jews" are a particular group of people with a disannuled religious system attached to a people God has brought back to a land to which He will return and save.

Their denial of Christ as the messiah is just like any gentile sinner that God saves by grace.

Most Christians that love Jesus Christ used to use His name as a swear word.

The rabbi's don't even do that....sin is sin.

God is reassembling these Jewish(Abrahamic descendants) sinners to save them per this....

Jer 31...

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

In which we, get only a preview of their promise per this(only this portion).....

Hebrews 10.....

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Notice carefully, the author of Hebrews just included us in the church age, to this very small but significant portion of future national Israel's promise to the fathers.

We do not in any way take their future millenial promise, but are INCLUDED in it, pre-millenial.

What I am saying is this Holy Ghost infilling we are enjoying is a PRE-MILLENIAL experience.

We(church age) are actually in what should be considered, "pre-millenial".

Any "Jew" of "Gentile' today, no matter how they think or what religious signs they demonstrate, can be adopted into this experience by the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Yes but all the Christians are supporting Israel now - a place where there are few of Abraham's descendants and who fly the satanic flag!!!

Is there a disconnect?

We are to "avoid even the appearance of evil." Why aren't you concerned about that knowing how Satan wants to be worshipped - and he seems to have found a pseudo way to be worshipped.

I'm stepping out on a limb because there is still a lot I don't know but simplistically speaking that scares the daylights out of me.

Soverign Grace · Dec 9, 2019

Truther said:
I think folks should take a step back and be amazed at what God has done in reestablishing national Israel in these last days.

Just thing about this a minute.

The very reason that Jesus could not return in the beginning of His Millennial reign is there was nobody to return to per His promise to the fathers.

For 2000 years, the preacher taught "Jesus is coming", with no Israel to come to in the back of his mind.

This developed into preterism.

This also developed into replacement theology.

Well, Israel is finally there now....they can put down all of their silly pet doctrines.

You have no problem whatsoever supporting a nation that flies the satanic star?

I wouldn't support them on that alone. And that's due to my fear of God and avoidance of evil.

You can call other pastors' views silly but what if you've been wrong?

What if you've been taught all wrong?

From what I understand they infiltrated the church somehow and Scofield did some fancy footwork.

The most dangerous people IMO are those who don't consider that they could be wrong.

Men used to believe the world was flat too.

Soverign Grace · Dec 9, 2019

Stan B said:
A total fantasy created by someone who has too much time on their hands, and total nonsense. The important thing is to discover what the Bible has to say about this. Nothing!

The six pointed star is no more evil than the Stars and Stripes!!!

OMG you don't know how dangerous that is. Ignorance is not bliss. We are warned to "not be ignorant of his devices."

I studied demonology for years alongside of the bible. Not because I wanted to - because I had some fierce spiritual attacks. The woman in our circle recommended "The Adversary" by Bubeck. I read other authors as well. Jesse Penn Lewis is a hard read but she really opens up the deceptions played on Christians.

There is very real power, unfortunately, in symbols. Why do you think that God ordered His people to destroy idols? Haven't you ever heard of missionaries who took some idol or satanic object and it drew trouble down on them?

Why do you think some of these designers try to slip dragons and other occult symbols onto babies clothing like Celine Dion? Even cartoons are laced with occult symbolism - Disney. Walt Disney was a Freemason and you can read about how they get children hooked on their favorite actor or actress then as soon as that actor or actress matures they begin indoctrinating youth into the occult. You can read about it on "Vigilant Citizen."

You see many in Hollywood flash the triangle sign - it's actually a portal for demons to enter through.

A family member purchased a house I was against - I had a bad feeling about it. No one listened and bought the house. Looking back I can see that my discernment was waving red flags yet no one would listen. The house gave me the creeps. They saw dark shapes moving down the halls, the TV would turn on and off, things would turn up missing. They sat on the porch and actually watched a bottle lift up and crash to the ground. They heard things dragging across the attic overhead and got up in the middle of the night and left.

One of their friends was sleeping on the couch and was literally choked. He left at 3 a.m. and refused to go into that house again.

So they put a recording device in one of the rooms. I will never forget those haunting AUDIBLE voices. I can't remember what all was said but one thing was "Get out! Get out!"

The demonologist told me they see the house as "theirs."

They moved out and I wouldn't even allow things from the house brought out. I tried to get a demonologist to cleanse the house. He told me at some point somebody opened up the demonic in the house. It was only later that the family member told me they found a pentagram on the shed wall.

You should read up on it at least to have a working knowledge of what to avoid and the danger inherent in symbolism.

The Cutting Edge is on top of things but I don't agree with all of their views: SATANIC GOATSHEAD OF MENDES PENTAGRAM USED IN BAPTIST CHURCH BULLETIN!

Soverign Grace · Dec 9, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
... but we're still some 18 months into the 42 month Tribulation. And those who are not using their PURSE, BAG, and SWORD in preparation WILL be caught unaware:

1 Thess. 5:3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

We all choose,
Bobby Jo

Can you give us a date that you think something may happen?

I know that WW 3 has already been planned. I spoke with a security expert who told me there will be a nuclear war within 10 years.

Soverign Grace · Dec 9, 2019

JohnPaul said:
Well the supposed evil Jews that don’t accept Jesus as their Messiah ate of the Cain line who is the offspring of Satan in the garden of Eden with Eve.

I've wondered about generational lines but have never really come across any teaching as to where each ended up: such as - what became of the Pharisees that persecuted Christ? Who are their descendants? Who are the descendants of the sorcerers? I'm almost afraid to think they may be those in high positions in government who practice secret arts in Skull and Bones and such. We know that God spoke of lineages and how He blessed or cursed to the 3rd and 4th generations. That's why I was so angry when I learned that my great-grandfather was a pastor and the faith wasn't passed down. My father took us to Catholic mass every week but I didn't learn anything. I'm not saying anything against Catholics because there are sure to be a number who are saved.

Truther · Dec 9, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
You have no problem whatsoever supporting a nation that flies the satanic star?

I wouldn't support them on that alone. And that's due to my fear of God and avoidance of evil.

You can call other pastors' views silly but what if you've been wrong?

What if you've been taught all wrong?

From what I understand they infiltrated the church somehow and Scofield did some fancy footwork.

The most dangerous people IMO are those who don't consider that they could be wrong.

Men used to believe the world was flat too.

Would you support them if you knew God had established their nation in these last days only to return to save them, or does their flag set you back?

Bobby Jo · Dec 9, 2019

Stan B said:
Perhaps you could provide us with an example of Walvoord's apostacy.

I think I missed this Post, and am just now responding. -- So how many examples would you like? How about the following:

1. He NEVER refuted the FALSE 1:21/10:1 LIE.
2. He NEVER refuted the FALSE Image of Metals 4a/4b premise.
3. He presents Darius as a Medo/Persian "governor" instead of his TRUE position as the LAST Babylonian King.
4. He presented the Four-Beasts as a repetition of the Image of Metals, rather than the TRUE subdivision of the FIFTH "Divided Kingdom".
5. ...

I could go on and on about how Walvoords Scholars find a Scriptural CLUE, but Walvoord completely disregards each one and continues with his diatribe.

And having said this, I would argue that Walvoords book is probably the BEST treatise on Daniel. But it ain't for his own views and conclusions, it's ONLY because Walvoord cites the best and brightest Scholars for their observations.

Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo · Dec 9, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
Can you give us a date that you think something may happen?

I may be remembering something incorrectly, but I thought that Trump recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel some months/years back. And that may have something to do with the start of the 42 month (NOT seven-year) tribulation.

And personally, I don't think you need this information, -- you need intervention!
Bobby Jo

Reggie Belafonte · Dec 9, 2019

Truther said:
Would you support them if you knew God had established their nation in these last days only to return to save them, or does their flag set you back?

The only way that the people in that State have of being saved is to turn to Christ Jesus.

All truly worthy Jewish people who truly understand Holy Moses, can come to Christ Jesus, because when they truly understand Moses they will come to Christ Jesus.

The Jews today are lost as to Holy Moses and the biggest problem with the Jewish faith is the Talmud Whore and there stupid Zionist Socialist who are dupes, who are trying to dupe the rest. only about 10% of Jews today are worthy of truly being called Jews, because such live their religion. it's much the same with Christens today who are all wound up about dribbling on about so much nonsense, that has nothing to do with Christ Jesus.

The Key to all is Jesus Christ and that you must be truly born again. as that is the only way one can come to know Jesus is the Christ and only abide in him.

Anyone who is looking to the Jews to save them is Not a Christian at all, but is an Anti-Christ in fact, you will know them by their works.

Islam and the Jews reject Jesus Christ and they are looking for what they claim will be the one, funny thing is that so called Christians are looking for the same thing, now why is that ? well they do not know who Jesus Christ truly is in fact, for if they did then they would know that Jesus Christ is here, but you must be truly born again to know this fact, as all one needs is to be born again. now after the second coming it's the same deal that is at hand "you must be born again" ! nothing changes with that, only at the second coming all will be burnt up, so that all the lies of Satan's works will be exposed for all to see.

People nowadays are under grate delusions. the works of Satan are a huge influence over most leading them astray, even the Pope is an Anti Christ in fact and most of the Priest are worthless worldly or to gutless to call others as such out. like the Pope claiming that Islam and Judaism worship the same God, not true ! "No one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son" so how can the Pope claim such a total lie. Fact is that they do not know God but they have only gods that they idolise.

One should take heed when one points out anything that the Bible points out that is of Satan, like that one would put on their Flag. St Stephen pointed that Star for what it truly was in fact not to mention he exposed the Jews leadership were off track as to God and was killed for exposing the poor deluded bastards, and Saul got the message and became Paul.

Truther · Dec 9, 2019

Reggie Belafonte said:
The only way that the people in that State have of being saved is to turn to Christ Jesus.

All truly worthy Jewish people who truly understand Holy Moses, can come to Christ Jesus, because when they truly understand Moses they will come to Christ Jesus.

The Jews today are lost as to Holy Moses and the biggest problem with the Jewish faith is the Talmud Whore and there stupid Zionist Socialist who are dupes, who are trying to dupe the rest. only about 10% of Jews today are worthy of truly being called Jews, because such live their religion. it's much the same with Christens today who are all wound up about dribbling on about so much nonsense, that has nothing to do with Christ Jesus.

The Key to all is Jesus Christ and that you must be truly born again. as that is the only way one can come to know Jesus is the Christ and only abide in him.

Anyone who is looking to the Jews to save them is Not a Christian at all, but is an Anti-Christ in fact, you will know them by their works.

Islam and the Jews reject Jesus Christ and they are looking for what they claim will be the one, funny thing is that so called Christians are looking for the same thing, now why is that ? well they do not know who Jesus Christ truly is in fact, for if they did then they would know that Jesus Christ is here, but you must be truly born again to know this fact, as all one needs is to be born again. now after the second coming it's the same deal that is at hand "you must be born again" ! nothing changes with that, only at the second coming all will be burnt up, so that all the lies of Satan's works will be exposed for all to see.

People nowadays are under grate delusions. the works of Satan are a huge influence over most leading them astray, even the Pope is an Anti Christ in fact and most of the Priest are worthless worldly or to gutless to call others as such out. like the Pope claiming that Islam and Judaism worship the same God, not true ! "No one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son" so how can the Pope claim such a total lie. Fact is that they do not know God but they have only gods that they idolise.

One should take heed when one points out anything that the Bible points out that is of Satan, like that one would put on their Flag. St Stephen pointed that Star for what it truly was in fact not to mention he exposed the Jews leadership were off track as to God and was killed for exposing the poor deluded bastards, and Saul got the message and became Paul.

The people in Israel WILL turn to Jesus Christ when He returns to save them from complete annihilation.

They will then be saved from the least to the greatest per Jer 31, right?

Truther · Dec 9, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
What verses make you think the promise was to the nation of Israel? I thought those promises were to His people - us. The Jews rejected Him and many still do although there are many who accept Him.

Unless you are Judah and Benjamin, no you do not take their promise.

You/I are merely included in their future promise per Hebrews 10:15-17.

The fact is, a doctrine called replacement theology has trained us to steal the promise to the fathers.

Here the Apostles ask about this future promise to future national Israel....

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Jesus simply told them, it is none of their business.

Yep, the time of this event, it was not for them(to realize).

Bobby Jo · Dec 9, 2019

Truther said:
...

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Jesus simply told them, it is none of their business.
...

Ummmmmmm, there are multiple audiences.

There's the ones living at the time expecting Jesus to be their immediate Jewish KING. -- This is the audience being addressed.

There's another audience which is the end-time church, which is given the "times" and the "seasons". -- This is us.

And there are also "other" audiences ...

Bobby Jo

Truther · Dec 9, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
Ummmmmmm, there are multiple audiences.

There's the ones living at the time expecting Jesus to be their immediate Jewish KING. -- This is the audience being addressed.

There's another audience which is the end-time church, which is given the "times" and the "seasons". -- This is us.

And there are also "other" audiences ...

Bobby Jo

Nope. Jesus simply said it was none of their business regarding the time when the promise to national Israel will be fulfilled. He told them never mind that..,,

Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

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