There is controversy concering the mark of the beast as foretold in Revelation 13:17, 14:11, 16:2, 19:20, 20:4. My question is in reference to those and in Dan 5:1-28.To some, they believe that the worship aspect is only in reference to the Antichrist or to his name but if this is so then why would Dan 5:23 be the same as Rev 9:20-21? There is a difference though as seen in Revelation 13:17 while in Daniel had a different course of events taking place after 666 was revealed.Some even suggest it's not even addressing economics but rather worship as if there cant be any correlation between the two, is this so? It is clearly apparent to me that the king and his elite (lords) had control of theeconomics and their reliance of it's influence was more than just acknowledgement. The value of material wealth as resources is not based on the need of the lowly but on the manipulation for it's controll and influenceas it is used for in offerings of diplomacy and prestige.What am I implying? well lets see:1. the first mention of 666 is in Daniel2. the first representation of it was of monotary value/scales1. 666 signified a judgement in daniel exacting in the same manner as scales in economics2. 666 signifies a man but could that number also signify his judgement?The only difference is that Peres was counted rather than Upharsin, why?
question concerning 'worship' of the mark of the beast
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Keep in mind what the mark of the beast is. I think Revelation 20:4 puts it in perspective for us in the best possible manner:Revelation 20:4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.At this point in time, it is important to point out that the elect have the seal of God in their foreheads. God doesn't need a mark to know His. The seal is referring to the very Word of God sealed in their minds.Conversely, this mark of the beast is not a physical mark. Note the two points where found - the forehead (specifically) and the hands. What do these two locations on your body do? Your forehead is where your brain is found and your hand is where you act out the actions that your brain tells you to do. If you have the mark of the beast, you in fact worship him because you are doing his work and not that of God. The mark is evident in what you do and any true Christian will immediately know the mark when they see it.Getting back to what you have noted, this would evident in such things as the worship of money. The enslavement to vain idols, from ancient gods to modern luxuries, are the markings of someone who has not set their sites on God.
Keep in mind what the mark of the beast is. I think Revelation 20:4 puts it in perspective for us in the best possible manner:
I would have to disagree with that premise for although it is a contributing point it is not the best nor the only point to consider. The fact of the matter is the mark representation is the same as Daniel for with wisdom comes learning from the past. The representation of 666 is the same as Daniel for a reason and is symbolically signifigant in its use of exacting judgement. To look at this 'after the fact' solely on one verse in revelation as you have only leaves more questions and can be taken out of context very easily for you ignore consistency.-tip-
I would have to disagree with that premise for although it is a contributing point it is not the best nor the only point to consider. The fact of the matter is the mark representation is the same as Daniel for with wisdom comes learning from the past. The representation of 666 is the same as Daniel for a reason and is symbolically signifigant in its use of exacting judgement. To look at this 'after the fact' solely on one verse in revelation as you have only leaves more questions and can be taken out of context very easily for you ignore consistency.-tip-
Swampfox is right. As are you in as much as part of the way the beast works is control of the monetary system, you might think of it as the beast's M.O. it is known as the four hidden dynasties Economy, Politics, Education, Religion, control these you control the world. We know it as the one world system. Here is a link to good bible study on this.http://www.christianityboard.com/mark-beas...tudy-t1766.html
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Swampfox is right. As are you in as much as part of the way the beast works is control of the monetary system, you might think of it as the beast's M.O. it is known as the four hidden dynasties Economy, Politics, Education, Religion, control these you control the world. We know it as the one world system. [/url]
Perhaps its just me but I believe there is more towards the connections as well as the differences between what is told in Daniel and Revelations. The details are very telling not just in one verse but in all corresponding verses. I disagree that all is told in one verse. Ive read many pieces of literature regarding this and it's too easy to drift away from the truth if you take one verse to then speculate solely on just that verse. There is noway of keeping that speculation in step with corresponding verses. Thanks for the link btw and as soon as my posts reach 5 i'll post a good video to watch.
Swampfox is right. As are you in as much as part of the way the beast works is control of the monetary system, you might think of it as the beast's M.O. it is known as the four hidden dynasties Economy, Politics, Education, Religion, control these you control the world. We know it as the one world system. [/url]
Perhaps its just me but I believe there is more towards the connections as well as the differences between what is told in Daniel and Revelations. The details are very telling not just in one verse but in all corresponding verses. I disagree that all is told in one verse. Ive read many pieces of literature regarding this and it's too easy to drift away from the truth if you take one verse to then speculate solely on just that verse. There is noway of keeping that speculation in step with corresponding verses. Thanks for the link btw and as soon as my posts reach 5 i'll post a good video to watch.
Daniel and Revelation are absoulutley connected the Old testament is the New testament consealed the New testament is the Old testament revealedI am a little confused about exactly what you are looking for but you might take a look at the minor prophets Amos among the others can often fill in little details as most of them are prophetic in nature they are like reading tomorrows newspaper today.I will read over the links you posted on the other thread and see what I thinkother papers writtings ext. can often make things clearer but remember on this site we use the bible as our final authority not words of men so it must be able to be proven in scripture.
I would have to disagree with that premise for although it is a contributing point it is not the best nor the only point to consider. The fact of the matter is the mark representation is the same as Daniel for with wisdom comes learning from the past. The representation of 666 is the same as Daniel for a reason and is symbolically signifigant in its use of exacting judgement. To look at this 'after the fact' solely on one verse in revelation as you have only leaves more questions and can be taken out of context very easily for you ignore consistency.
You're taking my post in entirely the wrong manner here. I was using 20:4 because it provides excellent characterization of what the mark of the beast is. All verses that contain this same information show what it is, but I like this one because of the way it is said here.I suppose I did not come right out and say this, but you don't necessarily have to be alive when the antichrist is here to receive the mark. That's what I was hinting at with my statement about it can be accomplished through ancient gods right on down to modern luxuries - such as that car you will do anything to get and so on.I'm afraid you're coming off a little cloudy for me and what you're driving at. For example, Solomon also had dealings with the 666 number:Numbers 31:37And the LORD'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.Consider what Solomon let go on in his life at this point.
You're taking my post in entirely the wrong manner here. I was using 20:4 because it provides excellent characterization of what the mark of the beast is. All verses that contain this same information show what it is, but I like this one because of the way it is said here.I suppose I did not come right out and say this, but you don't necessarily have to be alive when the antichrist is here to receive the mark. That's what I was hinting at with my statement about it can be accomplished through ancient gods right on down to modern luxuries - such as that car you will do anything to get and so on.I'm afraid you're coming off a little cloudy for me and what you're driving at. For example, Solomon also had dealings with the 666 number:Numbers 31:37And the LORD'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.Consider what Solomon let go on in his life at this point.
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