GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

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Doug

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Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

There were some that were preaching a gospel to the Galatians that perverted Paul's gospel. To be another gospel it had to be other than that preached by Paul.

Another gospel could only be preached to those who had heard and received the gospel preached by Paul. To be another gospel it could only be preached "unto you" (Galatians 1:8-9); only those who had Paul's gospel preached unto them and had been "received" by them (Galatians 1:9).

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )

Peter and Paul were not preaching the same gospel. Peter was preaching the gospel of the Davidic kingdom on earth to Israel. Paul was preaching that all were freely justified by the redemption of Christ.

Peter and Paul had seperate ministries; Peter was sent to the circumcision (the Jews), and Paul was sent to the uncircumcision (the Gentiles).

Peter was not accursed for preaching another gospel because he was not preaching it to those who had received Paul's gospel.

Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.

Paul is citing Isaiah 52:15 in Romans 15:21. Paul never went to those who heard and received Christ by believing the gospel preached by Peter and the apostles.
 
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BAD... interpretation of Galatians 2 that is!

In 2 Corinthians 11 Apostle Paul explained what that other gospel was. It involves the false preaching of the "another Jesus".

Galatians 2:7-8 is about two different stewardships of the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is NOT two different gospels. You have been duped by Biblically ignorant men, but they love your money.

Right here in Gal.2:8, IF... you were paying attention, you should have grasped that Paul EQUATED what Peter preached to the circumcision with what Paul taught to Gentiles!


Gal 2:8
8 (For He That wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

KJV

But you show you don't really care what The Scripture actually says by your twisting of those verses, but instead are more interested in pushing the leaven doctrines of men!

 

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BAD... interpretation of Galatians 2 that is!

In 2 Corinthians 11 Apostle Paul explained what that other gospel was. It involves the false preaching of the "another Jesus".

Galatians 2:7-8 is about two different stewardships of the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is NOT two different gospels. You have been duped by Biblically ignorant men, but they love your money.

Right here in Gal.2:8, IF... you were paying attention, you should have grasped that Paul EQUATED what Peter preached to the circumcision with what Paul taught to Gentiles!


Gal 2:8
8 (For He That wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

KJV

But you show you don't really care what The Scripture actually says by your twisting of those verses, but instead are more interested in pushing the leaven doctrines of men!

Galatians 2:8 says nothing of the gospel they were preaching but Galatians 2:7 clearly does. Galatians 2:8 merely states they were each given distinct apostleships
 
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Peter was not accursed for preaching another gospel because he was not preaching it to those who had received Paul's gospel.
This is one of the most absurd and foolish comments I have seen in Christian forums. Peter, Paul, and all the apostles had just one Gospel -- BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED.

The ones who are accursed are the ones who twist and distort the Gospel and make it into a totally different Gospel. The Judaizers were only one group who did this. Today there are many *Christian* groups out there who are doing exactly this.

The Gospel has always been under attack because Satan hates to see people saved and translated from the Kingdom of Darkness into the Kingdom of Light.

But Satan has thoroughly deceived you as is quite evident from your bizarre posts. And there are many on this forum who are also deceived but refuse to abandon their false beliefs no matter how many Scriptures they are given.
 
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Galatians 2:8 says nothing of the gospel they were preaching but Galatians 2:7 clearly does. Galatians 2:8 merely states they were each given distinct apostleships

You are not reading the simple Gal.2:8 Scripture which DOES relate directly to WHAT both Paul and Peter preached!

Gal 2:8
8 (For He That wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
KJV


The reason that verse was put in parenthesis () in the KJV is because the translators wanted to show Paul was explaining HOW he meant the previous verse! It is a detail that goes WITH verse 7! You cannot separate them.

Gal 2:7
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
KJV


That idea of an "apostleship" involved only ONE Gospel, and that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ all the Apostles had, especially those Apostles that were with Jesus during His Ministry. Apostle Paul had the SAME Gospel also, the difference being that Jesus appeared to Paul and chose him as an Apostle after The Father had raised Jesus.
 

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Peter and Paul were not preaching the same gospel. Peter was preaching the gospel of the Davidic kingdom on earth to Israel. Paul was preaching that all were freely justified by the redemption of Christ.

Later in Galatians 1:23 Paul says "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed."

"the faith" refers to the ONE body of information found within the pages of the NT, the one faith of Ephesians 4:5. Before becoming a Christian, Paul (known back then as Saul) persecuted "the faith" that was being taught by Peter (as in Acts 2) and the other Apostles as they were commanded to teach per the great commission of Christ. After becoming a Christian we see that Paul now preaceth (present tense) the faith he once destroyed, that faith that was being preached by Peter and other Apostles. Had Paul preached anything other than "the faith" as preached by Peter, then Paul would have been accursed.


Doug said:
Peter and Paul had seperate ministries; Peter was sent to the circumcision (the Jews), and Paul was sent to the uncircumcision (the Gentiles).

The one faith/the one gospel was taken to two separate spheres; Jew and Gentile. Peter was first to take it the Jews (Acts 2) and then Gentiles (Acts 10). Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel (noun - singular) of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." Again, that one singular gospel went first to the Jew first (Acts 2) then the Gentile (Acts 10).
 
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Very, very bizarre Doug, and I'm sorry, extremely ignorant and foolish?
Paul conferred more than once with the leaders of the Church about the ministry that they all were professing, and he received their accord in more than one manner. Not to mention that Paul saved many Jews and Gentiles, as did Peter, their message was the exact same, but only after a certain point, did they decided to demarcate to whom each would preach the exact same message. The Gospel was the same, only the audience was different.

Acts 13:5
13:5. When they arrived at Salamis, they proclaimed the word of God in the Jewish synagogues. John was with them as their helper.

Acts 15:2, 22
15:2. This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.
15:22. Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers.

Acts 21:17-20
21:17. When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers received us warmly. 18. The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20. When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: "You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.
 
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Very, very bizarre Doug, and I'm sorry, extremely ignorant and foolish?
Paul conferred more than once with the leaders of the Church about the ministry that they all were professing, and he received their accord in more than one manner. Not to mention that Paul saved many Jews and Gentiles, as did Peter, their message was the exact same, but only after a certain point, did they decided to demarcate to whom each would preach the exact same message. The Gospel was the same, only the audience was different.

Acts 13:5
13:5. When they arrived at Salamis, they proclaimed the word of God in the Jewish synagogues. John was with them as their helper.

Acts 15:2, 22
15:2. This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.
15:22. Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers.

Acts 21:17-20
21:17. When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers received us warmly. 18. The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20. When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: "You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.

The gospel messages of Jesus and the twelve were not the same as Paul's:

Jesus and the twelve preached the gospel of the kingdom for Israel and baptism for salvation Matthew 4:23 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38
 
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The gospel messages of Jesus and the twelve were not the same as Paul's:

Jesus and the twelve preached the gospel of the kingdom for Israel and baptism for salvation Matthew 4:23 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38

What Jesus preached and what the 12 Apostles preached, including Apostle Paul, was the same Gospel.

@Ernest T. Bass in his post #6 gave one of the best Scripture evidences for the one Gospel Faith, but you just bypassed it. So for your benefit, here it is again...

"Later in Galatians 1:23 Paul says "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed."

"the faith" refers to the ONE body of information found within the pages of the NT, the one faith of Ephesians 4:5. Before becoming a Christian, Paul (known back then as Saul) persecuted "the faith" that was being taught by Peter (as in Acts 2) and the other Apostles as they were commanded to teach per the great commission of Christ. After becoming a Christian we see that Paul now preaceth (present tense) the faith he once destroyed, that faith that was being preached by Peter and other Apostles. Had Paul preached anything other than "the faith" as preached by Peter, then Paul would have been accursed.
 
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The gospel messages of Jesus and the twelve were not the same as Paul's:

Jesus and the twelve preached the gospel of the kingdom for Israel and baptism for salvation Matthew 4:23 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38
Not even worthy to entertain. If you're talking on a 'dispensational' level, there's a slight element of that between Jesus and the Apostles, but it's not meant to be understood that way. After Pentecost, they were all in unison, and each one with the utmost wisdom and conviction preached the salvific Gospel of Christ Jesus, with the utmost accuracy and approbation from God.
I have no idea from where you are coming from???
 
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What Jesus preached and what the 12 Apostles preached, including Apostle Paul, was the same Gospel.

@Ernest T. Bass in his post #6 gave one of the best Scripture evidences for the one Gospel Faith, but you just bypassed it. So for your benefit, here it is again...

Equating faith with the gospel message is not substantiated. It has always been by grace through faith.
Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Paul preached Christ is the Son of God....that is one element of preaching the faith found in Christ and the twelve as well as Paul(Mark 1:1 John 20:31 Acts 9:20)
 
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Not even worthy to entertain. If you're talking on a 'dispensational' level, there's a slight element of that between Jesus and the Apostles, but it's not meant to be understood that way. After Pentecost, they were all in unison, and each one with the utmost wisdom and conviction preached the salvific Gospel of Christ Jesus, with the utmost accuracy and approbation from God.
I have no idea from where you are coming from???

Here are a couple of links to articles I posted to help you with where I am coming from:

WHAT IS RIGHT DIVISION ?

DIFFERING GOSPELS
 

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Not even worthy to entertain. If you're talking on a 'dispensational' level, there's a slight element of that between Jesus and the Apostles, but it's not meant to be understood that way. After Pentecost, they were all in unison, and each one with the utmost wisdom and conviction preached the salvific Gospel of Christ Jesus, with the utmost accuracy and approbation from God.
I have no idea from where you are coming from???

Where Doug is coming from is a tradition of men that E.W. Bullinger started from Darby's dispensationalist theories tied to his preaching of a pre-trib rapture theory. Other like O'Hare and C.R.Stam have taken the doctrine into later times, and they argue that ONLY Apostle Paul's Epistles are applicable to Christ's Church. See Hyper-Dispensationalism.

They wrongly teach that ALL other Bible Scripture is meant for the Jews, and not for Christ's Church. Thus they try to separate Christ's Church from the seed of Israel, which is a totally false idea, since many of the seed of Israel are believers on Christ Jesus, even today!
 

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Where Doug is coming from is a tradition of men that E.W. Bullinger started from Darby's dispensationalist theories tied to his preaching of a pre-trib rapture theory. Other like O'Hare and C.R.Stam have taken the doctrine into later times, and they argue that ONLY Apostle Paul's Epistles are applicable to Christ's Church. See Hyper-Dispensationalism.

They wrongly teach that ALL other Bible Scripture is meant for the Jews, and not for Christ's Church. Thus they try to separate Christ's Church from the seed of Israel, which is a totally false idea, since many of the seed of Israel are believers on Christ Jesus, even today!
Thanks Davy, that would explain it. Although the principle of dispensation has its validity in certain contexts and within certain parameters (which is why I used the term), unless defined by the Apostles, one cannot be dogmatic or devise a whole theology around it, for the lack of Biblical explicitness on the matter just does not warrant it. And, of course, it leads to this utter disregard for the over-arching principle of all the Apostle's unified and salvific message, Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sins, and receive the Holy Spirit as a token and testimony of the promise. Throughout the Book of Acts, all the apostles and disciples mentioned in the Book, professed this Gospel. ...And like you said, the Jews were the first to get saved, and, at the start, Paul always started in the synagogues preaching the message of Christ, and saved many Jews.
Thanks again!
 
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Here are a couple of links to articles I posted to help you with where I am coming from:

WHAT IS RIGHT DIVISION ?

DIFFERING GOSPELS
Hyper-literalism is an extremely bad hermeneutical practice. It leads to doctrines that are so logistically absurd, due to the desperate attempt at harmonizing all the varied and incongruous principles that such a practice elicits, that one ends up with such an elaborate theology that it barely resembles anything in the Bible, just by the terminology alone.
 

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Peter screwed up, and Paul called him out on it. No big deal.

You are not going to find an Apostle who did wrong as much as Peter. That's to his credit because he was the one who was most proactive. He was as the doer of the group.

He was getting things wrong many times, but he got the keys... He got them because even though he messed up alot, he got the right things right and he diligently sought for Jesus.

By the time he wrote 1 and 2 Peter, he got things right. And despite his standoff with Paul in Galatians, he nailed it in Paul's defense in Acts 15.

What happened in Galatians is Jews (and I believe they were believing Jews under James) were pressing circumcision. That was Paul's problem. Peter was clearly on his side about that, but was not taking it seriously.

Paul's message was special and it was hard for Jewish Christian's to understand. Paul spoke with clearness of speech. It was his message that was hard to understand.

Perhaps even Peter couldn't grasp it fully, but I do t think they were preaching a different Gospel.

Both of them preached Christ and Grace through Christ.
 
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Man's division idea of the one Gospel really comes from the way Darby looked at the idea of dispensations regarding Christ's Church. The pre-trib rapture tradition of men is what influenced it, simply because that doctrine wrongly teaches a rapture of the Church to Heaven prior to the tribulation. And when Jesus comes, He restores the kingdom of Israel on earth while the Church rules from Heaven. Because the pre-trib rapture theory 'creates' that false move of the Church to Heaven, separate from the kingdom of Israel on earth, they had to make other Bible Scripture align with that theory.
 

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That is a statement so far out in left field, it doesn't bear a rebuttal even!
It has always been by grace through faith. The gospel messages are progressive and as such, were not all the same (Genesis 15:5-6 1 & Galatians 3:8 Corinthians 15:3-4). The gospel message in their and in our dispensation is to be believed (faith).
 
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Hyper-literalism is an extremely bad hermeneutical practice. It leads to doctrines that are so logistically absurd, due to the desperate attempt at harmonizing all the varied and incongruous principles that such a practice elicits, that one ends up with such an elaborate theology that it barely resembles anything in the Bible, just by the terminology alone.

Sorry to differ but, by right division the Bible is harmonized and leads to proper exegesis.
For instance how do you reconcile justification for example:
Is it by works as in James 2:24 or without works in Romans 4:5
 
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