Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

Taken · Dec 11, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
What Does GOD Say?

God has inspired and approves Scripture.
2 Tim 3

Morning Stars, singing, observing, the laying of the foundation of the Earth.
Job 38:4
Job 38:7

Num 24
[17] I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

One Morning Star fell from grace.
Isa 14:
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:

One Morning Star IS the Bright Morning Star.
JESUS...
A BRIGHT Star, out of JACOB and descending House of David (last human king of Israel).

Rev 22
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The "Star of David" is not in the Bible.

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I would say the BRIGHT MORNING STAR was foretold to mankind, to come forth, and Did so, out "OF", the House of David, (David the king who was the LAST, "so far," ) to SIT on king David's "everlasting" Throne. And such Throne SHALL be Lastly occupied By "THE" Bright Morning Star; JESUS.

The Bright Star figure IN Scripture, IS a figure Israel was notified to EXPECT.
Israel selecting a STAR figure to represent ISRAEL, the People of God, appears most appropriate to me.

Others who ALSO select a star figure to represent their causes or beliefs ALSO appears as normal to me.

The controversy would be MOOT, "IF" people understood, WHO is selecting the figure and what it MEANS to THEM...without worrying
About WHAT it MEANS to OTHERS who select the same figure.

There is NO Patent or Exclusive Rights Limiting ANYONE, to choose a figure to represent their causes or beliefs.

Glory to God,
Taken

Soverign Grace · Dec 11, 2019

Stan B said:
SG, You and I see things in diametrically opposite ways. When you see the Star of David, you see Satan. I, on the other hand, when I see the Star of David, am reminded of the Star of Bethlehem, announcing the promised offspring of David had been born.

That star is now announcing God's plan to restore all Israel in the Last Days to the eternal land God gave them 3500 years ago, as detailed in the Book of Ezekiel.

For me, my feelings for the Mogen David, and God's miraculous restoration of the Land of Israel, is a litmus test for my Faith. My love for Israel is a miraculous kind of love, a product of many years of intense study of Scripture. How I feel in my heart about Israel, informs me about my true feelings for God, and whether I am living in His will.

I see that you're trying to make it a matter of perception and make it noble that you look on it as good.

It's not that I choose to see the star of satan - it's that once you read something you can't un-read it. It's like a young boy who plays with a toy machine gun when he's young and he associates them with something fun - playing army with his friends. But send that same man off to war in a few years, when he learns the true meaning of a machine gun, that it's an instrument of death, he no longer looks on it the same way.

I don't feel a love for Israel, I feel a love for God and of the holy. When I pass a church for instance, sometimes I'll feel a 'quickening' in my spirit.

I don't know what the truth is yet but I'm very wary of the flag. I do believe that you do love God and are sincere. We're told to be like the Bereans but when someone actually does question like a Berean some folks don't like it. Some pastors seem to like those who like to be spoon-fed rather than those who think and study for themselves.

Early on I was badly misled by radio preachers and I had to study on my own - I had no one to turn to. I was raised Catholic and returned to see a priest but he told me to return to the Catholic Church. So what if I had listened to him?

Chuck Baldwin has been attacked in the worst ways - by Christians no less - for his evolving beliefs about Israel. But if I were to compare Chuck Baldwin next to the "Christians" who attacked him, guess who comes up as showing more of Christ? I can't tell you how many "Christians" I have seen in my over 40 years of walking with God who were downright ugly to others. It's one thing if they disagree with him but he's been vilified. I just read one pastor who made fun of him and it was shocking; it's as if they can't see their own sinful behavior for trying to point out his supposed error.

I prayed last night about it - I think if we really want the truth God will reveal it.

Soverign Grace · Dec 11, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Your posts are getting more and more weird, and you are seeing bogeymen around every corner. Time for a reality check, and abandonment of all conspiracy hunting.

1. A nation cannot become an offspring of a spirit being, so that was a very wrong statement.
2. The devil controls all the kingdoms of the world at present. No surprises there.
3. Zionism was purely secular and political and was a result of Anti-Semitic persecution of Jews.
4. There is no doubt that a handful of extremely wealthy Jews have a huge influence on world events, and are manipulating them.
5. That does not mean that you smear all Jews as evil.
6. The majority of Jews are unbelievers, but many are becoming believers as Messianic Jews.
7. Christians are commanded to love those who are unbelievers, particularly the Jews.
8. God loves the Jews and wants to see them saved. And one day there will be a redeemed and restored nation of Israel under Christ.
9. Satan hates the Jews and wants to see them utterly destroyed. He has been at this throughout history.
10. Christians should fully support any government which stands with Israel against its Muslim and Arab enemies.
11. Christians should be praying for Israel and the Jews, not pointing fingers and being high-minded.
12. Christians should be seriously involved with evangelism in Israel, as well as humanitarian efforts.

What makes YOU the judge of what is true and what isn't? What makes YOU think that YOU can point out some error that you think I'm believing and YOU'RE the one who gets to decide WHO is in error and who is not?

Are you the judge of all the earth? Messiah complex?

Did I not say from the get go that I'm not sure what the truth is?

I love rich spiritual discussion - but I see Christians setting themselves up as the final judge of truth. How do you know only you have the truth? Look at all the Pharisees in Christ's day who thought they were so right - but were they? What about the masses who followed the Pharisees - Scripture doesn't talk of them but I'm sure there were plenty of sheep who followed those Judas goats and put down the followers of Christ.

If there are credible pastors - such as Maars and Baldwin and others who see this then maybe there is something to it and maybe we should see if they got it right. But at no time should ANY Christian set themselves up in PRIDE and claim that only they are the ones who possess the truth.

Soverign Grace · Dec 11, 2019

JohnPaul said:
This is scary, like Amityville Horror, I believe something happened in that house people try to say it was a hoax by the Lutz’s to get money, but I think evil lurks there.

The demonologist told me that someone "invited" evil there at some point. All we know is there was a pentagram (a 6 pointed star) on the side of the shed. Was that painting of the symbol enough to open the door? I don't know if it was only that or if some evil had been practiced in the house. But they saw a bottle lift up off of the railing and crash to the ground. There were other things but I can't say. But I am very very wary of anything to do with symbols.

Soverign Grace · Dec 11, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
This I do.

2 Timothy 4:2 preach the word, be urgent in season and out of season, convince, rebuke, and exhort, be unfailing in patience and in teaching.

This you do.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching ...

Bobby Jo

You don't "speak the truth in love" - you're abrasive. (Wounds from a friend...) There is a Christian way to disagree. I'm always amused at "Christians" who beat others over the head with doctrine and spout about how Christlike they are. The way of a fool is right in his own eyes...

Gal. 6:3
1Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. 3For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. 4But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5For every man shall bear his own burden. 6Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

Soverign Grace · Dec 11, 2019

brakelite said:
It is Christ himself who lays claim to all the promises because only Christ lived up to the name, Israel, overcomer. Wereceive the same promises as well as their fulfillment also because we are his children, just as the children of Israel received promises (though not the actual fulfillment of them being conditional and they unfaithful).

What are your thoughts on this Brakelite?

Truther · Dec 11, 2019

brakelite said:
It is Christ himself who lays claim to all the promises because only Christ lived up to the name, Israel, overcomer. Wereceive the same promises as well as their fulfillment also because we are his children, just as the children of Israel received promises (though not the actual fulfillment of them being conditional and they unfaithful).

Christ took the fathers' promises?

It is He that inherited Caanan land?

Shouldn't we move there?

JohnPaul · Dec 11, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
The demonologist told me that someone "invited" evil there at some point. All we know is there was a pentagram (a 6 pointed star) on the side of the shed. Was that painting of the symbol enough to open the door? I don't know if it was only that or if some evil had been practiced in the house. But they saw a bottle lift up off of the railing and crash to the ground. There were other things but I can't say. But I am very very wary of anything to do with symbols.

I’m from Jersey so I’m not that from from Amityville, I’ve been thinking of taking a ride to see the house.

@Soverign Grace you can PM more about this, I’m very interested in your story, I’d like to hear more about it.

Enoch111 · Dec 11, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
What makes YOU the judge of what is true and what isn't?

The Bible tells us that we are to (1) try the spirits, and (2) prove all things. Furthermore we will judge angels. So that makes me a judge of what is true and what is false right now.

When Christians go off on tangents and get into weird and bizarre ideas, they are to be corrected by other Christians, since Scripture is given for both reproof and correction (2 Tim 3:16). And those who are corrected should thank those who correct them, rather than chafe at the correction.

You've been dumping on Trump just like all the Left-Liberal Anarchists when you should be thanking God for putting Trump in office. And that is because you are allowing yourself to be influenced by liars.

Enoch111 · Dec 11, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
All we know is there was a pentagram (a 6 pointed star) on the side of the shed.

A pentagram has five points. A hexagram has six points. And both have been in use for Satanist, Kabbalistic and occultic practices.

Bobby Jo · Dec 11, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
You don't "speak the truth in love" - you're abrasive. (Wounds from a friend...)

Yep! -- Would you rather receive "kisses from and enemy"?

I'm here for YOU, not your ludicrous, mind bending, false shadow, delusions.
Bobby Jo

JohnPaul · Dec 11, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
Yep! -- Would you rather receive "kisses from and enemy"?

I'm here for YOU, not your ludicrous, mind bending, false shadow, delusions.
Bobby Jo

You here for me Bobby Jo, got milk?

Truther · Dec 11, 2019

So you are saying that either God lied to the fathers or Jesus stole the promise from the fathers.

Reggie Belafonte · Dec 11, 2019

Truther said:
Do you think the church has replaced future National Israel and can lay claim to all of these OT promises to the fathers instead of national Israel?

I agree as brakelite said post 380.
And only about 10% of the Jews today are worthy of the OT, not to mention that only 10% of Christians are worthy as well nowadays, remember that their Gate is narrow and all. not wide !

I will take my hat off to anyone who anyone who is devout, be it OT because they have hope to come to the Lord Jesus.
The Main problem is with the deceptions that Satan has created to lead all people astray.

National Israel ? does not come into it, as there is only one Christ Jesus, he is the same as always. Fact is that he is the Alpha and the Omega.
There is no 2ed Jesus, he is the same as always.
People who are looking for the 2ed coming to save them can not be born again, such a one can not be saved in Christ Jesus in the first place, because why are you looking, have you not been found ?
Sure the second coming will come, but the hellfire comes first and our job as born again Christians is to warn of the workings of Satan.
Why look to the Anti-Christ Jews or anti-God Jews for salvation, Jesus has not left us ever, if one claims that he has, such a one does not know him.
Jumping in with the Jews lot is just pathetic, such a one must have no faith at all in Jesus Christ.

Oh hi I am a Christian and I am going to put my faith in the Jews

such a one can not be a Christian at all, go join the Jews then, but don't claim to be a Christian !

JohnPaul · Dec 11, 2019

Reggie Belafonte said:
I agree as brakelite said post 380.
And only about 10% of the Jews today are worthy of the OT, not to mention that only 10% of Christians are worthy as well nowadays, remember that their Gate is narrow and all. not wide !

I will take my hat off to anyone who anyone who is devout, be it OT because they have hope to come to the Lord Jesus.
The Main problem is with the deceptions that Satan has created to lead all people astray.

National Israel ? does not come into it, as there is only one Christ Jesus, he is the same as always. Fact is that he is the Alpha and the Omega.
There is no 2ed Jesus, he is the same as always.
People who are looking for the 2ed coming to save them can not be born again, such a one can not be saved in Christ Jesus in the first place, because why are you looking, have you not been found ?
Sure the second coming will come, but the hellfire comes first and our job as born again Christians is to warn of the workings of Satan.
Why look to the Anti-Christ Jews or anti-God Jews for salvation, Jesus has not left us ever, if one claims that he has, such a one does not know him.
Jumping in with the Jews lot is just pathetic, such a one must have no faith at all in Jesus Christ.

Oh hi I am a Christian and I am going to put my faith in the Jews such a one can not be a Christian at all, go join the Jews then, but don't claim to be a Christian !

The Jews must accept Christ in order to be saved, if they don’t they are damned to eternal damnation.

For they committed the biggest crime in history since time began.

Bobby Jo · Dec 11, 2019

JohnPaul said:
You here for me Bobby Jo, got milk?

If you believe everything that comes from the pulpit, then yep -- I got some milk for you. -- BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR FROM THE PULPIT!

Bobby Jo

JohnPaul · Dec 11, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
If you believe everything that comes from the pulpit, then yep -- I got some milk for you. -- BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR FROM THE PULPIT!

Bobby Jo

I like you Bobby Jo, you make me smile every time.

Bobby Jo · Dec 11, 2019

JohnPaul said:
I like you Bobby Jo, you make me smile every time.

Yep, -- I'm here for you! But so are the Scriptures. So be sure you receive from them FIRST, but also your fellow Christians (capital "C"), because we are part of GOD's provision for the Body of Christ. But beware of christians (small "c") because there are many who are simply part of the "congregation" exactly as Judas was part of the Disciples.

Bobby Jo

Truther · Dec 11, 2019

Reggie Belafonte said:
I agree as brakelite said post 380.
And only about 10% of the Jews today are worthy of the OT, not to mention that only 10% of Christians are worthy as well nowadays, remember that their Gate is narrow and all. not wide !

I will take my hat off to anyone who anyone who is devout, be it OT because they have hope to come to the Lord Jesus.
The Main problem is with the deceptions that Satan has created to lead all people astray.

National Israel ? does not come into it, as there is only one Christ Jesus, he is the same as always. Fact is that he is the Alpha and the Omega.
There is no 2ed Jesus, he is the same as always.
People who are looking for the 2ed coming to save them can not be born again, such a one can not be saved in Christ Jesus in the first place, because why are you looking, have you not been found ?
Sure the second coming will come, but the hellfire comes first and our job as born again Christians is to warn of the workings of Satan.
Why look to the Anti-Christ Jews or anti-God Jews for salvation, Jesus has not left us ever, if one claims that he has, such a one does not know him.
Jumping in with the Jews lot is just pathetic, such a one must have no faith at all in Jesus Christ.

Oh hi I am a Christian and I am going to put my faith in the Jews such a one can not be a Christian at all, go join the Jews then, but don't claim to be a Christian !

Who is worthy of what?

Are you worthy of NT salvation?

The Jews in Israel are not worthy?

Oh boy!

n2thelight · Dec 12, 2019

The good and the bad figs returned to form that nation state of Israel,whose actual name should had been Judah.

Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

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