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Sort of a provocative question, especially when I am talking about the church as a whole. But John prophesied concerning Jesus that He would baptize believers in the Holy Spirit and in Fire, and this began to be fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when tongues of fire were visibly seen to come to rest upon the disciples, as they spoke in tongues and glorified God. But a few decades later, we have Paul writing to the Thessalonians and telling them:

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things, and hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from every form of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is He that calls you, who also will do it. (1 Thessalonians 5:16-24)

What was this passage talking about specifically? "Abstain from every form of evil" (in v.22) was an exhortation directing the reader back to v.15, in that "do not render evil for evil unto any man" was one of the primary ways a congregation could begin to quench the fire of the Holy Spirit among them (see Ephesians 4:26-32, with emphasis on v30). But praying in the Spirit without ceasing and giving thanks to God in tongues kept the fires of the Spirit burning amongst a congregation, so they were commanded to "keep" themselves in the love of God in this manner (Jude 1:20-21).

This is likewise what is discussed in 1 Corinthians, Chapter 14:

12 Even so you, forasmuch as you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that you may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaks in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray in the Spirit and I will pray with the understanding also. I will sing in the Spirit but I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when you shall bless in the Spirit, how shall he that occupies the room of the unlearned say "Amen!" at your giving of thanks, seeing he does not understand what you say?
17 For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not edified. (1 Corinthians 14:12-17)

The verses that read together as, "Rejoice always. Pray incessantly. In every thing give thanks... and quench not the Spirit," are all referring to praying in the Spirit, i.e. praying in tongues. They are immediately followed with "Despise not prophesyings." This then makes the statement which follows, "Quench not the Spirit" a reference to quenching the operation of the gifts of tongues and prophecy in particular.

Have we quenched the Holy Spirit? If so what will it take to get the fires of the Holy Spirit burning amongst us again?

I believe the answer is found in the Parable of the Ten Virgins, which I created a thread on just recently. Paul may well have borrowed the expression "quench not the Spirit" from this parable in fact, where the mistake that the foolish virgins made was to let their lamps "go out." Why were they going out? Because they did not have enough of the oil of the Holy Spirit to keep them from doing so.

I post this because it all the more confirms to me the interpretation I gave on the Parable of the Ten Virgins. It proves the importance that the New Testament writers placed on praying in tongues and prophesying, as gifts that were necessary to maintaining the Presence of God, and continuing to receive true prophetic light in the end-times. Unfortunately, at the present time, the church is still in a state where the Spirit has long since been quenched among us. But the answer to how to fix it is given in my interpretation below to this parable. If we go to God, He who has the power to give us the oil of the Spirit, only then will we restore ourselves to that place where the spiritual gifts operate amongst us again, and the Spirit is no longer quenched, as has been the case with much of the church for a very long time.

Blessings in Christ to all who read these words.

I will post my interpretation to the Parable of the Ten Virgins hereafter, but it can also be found in the following thread:
Parable of the Ten Virgins
 

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As posted in:
Parable of the Ten Virgins
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. (Matthew 25:1-13)


This follows immediately on the heals of Jesus telling the disciples that they would need to properly feed His household until the Lord's return (Matthew 24:44-51). As such, it appears to be a teaching on the dangers of what we would today call spiritual "burn out." The wickedness of the end-times will create a demand on Christian ministry that is beyond any human capacity to keep up with, so walking in the empowerment of God will be more necessary than ever in history. Unfortunately, there will be those who are foolish enough to allow the burdens of ministry and the never-ending demands of it to cause them to become distant from God, no longer spending time with Him in prayer especially because ministry needs are incessant. As a result, they will reach a place of spiritual burn out, and in a last ditch effort they will appeal to those who are still walking close to the Holy Spirit. But ministers who are not burned out do not have the power to magically transfer their spiritual strength to those who are, and when those who have allowed themselves to reach a place of spiritual burn out attempt to get back to a place of empowerment, the incredible darkness of the times will make this nearly impossible.

A quick synopsis:
- The ten virgins = Church leadership in the end times, who must light the way spiritually for Christ's bride to meet her Bridegroom at the "midnight hour," the darkest time in human history, just before the Lord's return.
- The Bridegroom = Christ Jesus, the Church being the bride.
- The virgin's lamps = Their understanding of the word of God, which scripture says is a "lamp unto our feet."
- The oil = The anointing of the Holy Spirit, which gives light to God's word. This is referenced to passages especially like 1 Corinthians 14:26-31, where the spiritual gifts of tongues, interpretation of tongues and prophecy lead congregations to revelation from God's word.
- "They all slumbered and slept" = I believe this prophesies the period from the end of the early church era to the coming time of the second outpouring. Church leadership has largely been in a deep sleep but will eventually awaken when "the call goes out" and it becomes apparent that the Lord's return is now finally at hand (as it becomes obvious that end-time prophecy is being fulfilled before their eyes, and the fulfillment of all things is approaching).
- Trimming their lamps = People trimmed a lamp to get the most light out of the wick that they could. So too, Christian leaders will suddenly be seeking to get the most light they can out of the prophetic word of God.
- The foolish virgins say, "Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out." = Referred to in the intro; spiritual "burn out" will be taking place among the foolish, because they did not maintain a closeness to the Holy Spirit, who gives light to God's word so as to show Christ's bride the way in the darkness. The wise will still be receiving prophetic light, whereas this light will be going out amongst the foolish. This request of theirs appears to possibly be through something akin to laying on of hands, since they will say, "Give us some of your oil." This is a strange request, but they will be desperate, and know that the wise possess a power in the Spirit that they no longer do. But the reply they get will reveal the problem.
- "Not so, lest there be not enough for us and you. But go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves." Spiritual anointing and empowerment, like all things from God, can only be "purchased" through prayer, which is the key to understanding this verse. One must go to God personally for the anointing oil of the Holy Spirit, and one "purchases" it through prayer. Prayer is the currency of Heaven, and this idea of "purchasing" the things of God through prayer is repeated over and over in scripture, for instance concerning receiving the greater gifts (1 Corinthians 14:13, 1 Corinthians 14:1), the power to speak the word boldly (Ephesians 6:18-19), spiritual insight, being clothed in the Holy Spirit, and attaining a faith purified as gold in the fire (Revelation 3:18). So the wise will direct the foolish to go to God for what they need in prayer.
- "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut." = As stated, if one has not developed the habit of staying close to the Presence of God these dark and evil times, trying to do after burning out may be all but impossible. And while the foolish are off trying to get their act together spiritually when they should have been ministering light to the church, the Lord will come. Those who were walking in the Spirit and the true light of His word will be taken with Him to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, while those who were not ready will be left behind, and the door will now shut.
- "Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not." = The words "I know you not" are key here. Because their light went out, the Lord can no longer "recognize" them or what they teach (without true spiritual light, a person's teachings always trail off into error). They appear as strangers to Him now, so He says to them at the door, "I know you not."
- "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" = an exhortation to walk in the light the Holy Spirit gives for as LONG as necessary, so as to light the way for the bride of Christ until He comes.
 
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Sort of a provocative question, especially when I am talking about the church as a whole. But John prophesied concerning Jesus that He would baptize believers in the Holy Spirit and in Fire, and this began to be fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when tongues of fire were visibly seen to come to rest upon the disciples, as they spoke in tongues and glorified God. But a few decades later, we have Paul writing to the Thessalonians and telling them:

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things, and hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from every form of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is He that calls you, who also will do it. (1 Thessalonians 5:16-24)

What was this passage talking about specifically? "Abstain from every form of evil" (in v.22) was an exhortation directing the reader back to v.15, in that "do not render evil for evil unto any man" was one of the primary ways a congregation could begin to quench the fire of the Holy Spirit among them (see Ephesians 4:26-32, with emphasis on v30). But praying in the Spirit without ceasing and giving thanks to God in tongues kept the fires of the Spirit burning amongst a congregation, so they were commanded to "keep" themselves in the love of God in this manner (Jude 1:20-21).

This is likewise what is discussed in 1 Corinthians, Chapter 14:

12 Even so you, forasmuch as you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that you may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaks in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray in the Spirit and I will pray with the understanding also. I will sing in the Spirit but I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when you shall bless in the Spirit, how shall he that occupies the room of the unlearned say "Amen!" at your giving of thanks, seeing he does not understand what you say?
17 For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not edified. (1 Corinthians 14:12-17)

The verses that read together as, "Rejoice always. Pray incessantly. In every thing give thanks... and quench not the Spirit," are all referring to praying in the Spirit, i.e. praying in tongues. They are immediately followed with "Despise not prophesyings." This then makes the statement which follows, "Quench not the Spirit" a reference to quenching the operation of the gifts of tongues and prophecy in particular.

Have we quenched the Holy Spirit? If so what will it take to get the fires of the Holy Spirit burning amongst us again?

I believe the answer is found in the Parable of the Ten Virgins, which I created a thread on just recently. Paul may well have borrowed the expression "quench not the Spirit" from this parable in fact, where the mistake that the foolish virgins made was to let their lamps "go out." Why were they going out? Because they did not have enough of the oil of the Holy Spirit to keep them from doing so.

I post this because it all the more confirms to me the interpretation I gave on the Parable of the Ten Virgins. It proves the importance that the New Testament writers placed on praying in tongues and prophesying, as gifts that were necessary to maintaining the Presence of God, and continuing to receive true prophetic light in the end-times. Unfortunately, at the present time, the church is still in a state where the Spirit has long since been quenched among us. But the answer to how to fix it is given in my interpretation below to this parable. If we go to God, He who has the power to give us the oil of the Spirit, only then will we restore ourselves to that place where the spiritual gifts operate amongst us again, and the Spirit is no longer quenched, as has been the case with much of the church for a very long time.

Blessings in Christ to all who read these words.

I will post my interpretation to the Parable of the Ten Virgins hereafter, but it can also be found in the following thread:
Parable of the Ten Virgins
IMHO the entire NT is all about the church (as far as parables) please don't yell at me lol....of course Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the main emphasis in the NT....His Church (Christ's Bride) is the ultimate purpose of what He is striving to achieve....so I can see where the 10 virgins can be interpreted as church leaders
The Holy Spirit opened my eyes about the 7 Churches in Revelation....7 church ages....and we are now in the final church age of Laodecia.....
So what you have said and shared about the 10 virgin's fits right in.
It goes back to what I believe to be God revealing to those seeking His HIDDEN Wisdom coming to this new revelation of His Word....the Mysteries of God being revealed.
 

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Sort of a provocative question, especially when I am talking about the church as a whole. But John prophesied concerning Jesus that He would baptize believers in the Holy Spirit and in Fire, and this began to be fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when tongues of fire were visibly seen to come to rest upon the disciples, as they spoke in tongues and glorified God. But a few decades later, we have Paul writing to the Thessalonians and telling them:

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things, and hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from every form of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is He that calls you, who also will do it. (1 Thessalonians 5:16-24)

What was this passage talking about specifically? "Abstain from every form of evil" (in v.22) was an exhortation directing the reader back to v.15, in that "do not render evil for evil unto any man" was one of the primary ways a congregation could begin to quench the fire of the Holy Spirit among them (see Ephesians 4:26-32, with emphasis on v30). But praying in the Spirit without ceasing and giving thanks to God in tongues kept the fires of the Spirit burning amongst a congregation, so they were commanded to "keep" themselves in the love of God in this manner (Jude 1:20-21).

This is likewise what is discussed in 1 Corinthians, Chapter 14:

12 Even so you, forasmuch as you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that you may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaks in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray in the Spirit and I will pray with the understanding also. I will sing in the Spirit but I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when you shall bless in the Spirit, how shall he that occupies the room of the unlearned say "Amen!" at your giving of thanks, seeing he does not understand what you say?
17 For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not edified. (1 Corinthians 14:12-17)

The verses that read together as, "Rejoice always. Pray incessantly. In every thing give thanks... and quench not the Spirit," are all referring to praying in the Spirit, i.e. praying in tongues. They are immediately followed with "Despise not prophesyings." This then makes the statement which follows, "Quench not the Spirit" a reference to quenching the operation of the gifts of tongues and prophecy in particular.

Have we quenched the Holy Spirit? If so what will it take to get the fires of the Holy Spirit burning amongst us again?

I believe the answer is found in the Parable of the Ten Virgins, which I created a thread on just recently. Paul may well have borrowed the expression "quench not the Spirit" from this parable in fact, where the mistake that the foolish virgins made was to let their lamps "go out." Why were they going out? Because they did not have enough of the oil of the Holy Spirit to keep them from doing so.

I post this because it all the more confirms to me the interpretation I gave on the Parable of the Ten Virgins. It proves the importance that the New Testament writers placed on praying in tongues and prophesying, as gifts that were necessary to maintaining the Presence of God, and continuing to receive true prophetic light in the end-times. Unfortunately, at the present time, the church is still in a state where the Spirit has long since been quenched among us. But the answer to how to fix it is given in my interpretation below to this parable. If we go to God, He who has the power to give us the oil of the Spirit, only then will we restore ourselves to that place where the spiritual gifts operate amongst us again, and the Spirit is no longer quenched, as has been the case with much of the church for a very long time.

Blessings in Christ to all who read these words.

I will post my interpretation to the Parable of the Ten Virgins hereafter, but it can also be found in the following thread:
Parable of the Ten Virgins

I believe part of getting this fire rekindled is being of sober spirit. All of the ten virgins had to wake up.

I like what the Benson commentary says about what a sober spirit is according to 1 Peter 5:8

1 Peter 5:8-9. Be sober — See on 1 Thessalonians 5:6. Keep your appetites and passions under proper restraint and government, or awake, as υηψανε also signifies; namely, to a deep sense of the certainty and importance of things invisible and eternal

Then 1 Thessalonians 5:6 also goes along with the Parable of the ten virgins...

1Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. 2For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.4But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night; and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet of our hope of salvation.9For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him. 11Therefore encourage and build one another up, just as you are already doing.

I wonder if verse 10 means there is hope for the foolish virgins that they will be able to live with Him...

Anyway, just thoughts, this parable has been a big one on my heart for the last year or so and finally getting a good grasp understanding on it. Ifwe are not of sober spirit, this is another way we can quench the Holy Spirit.
 

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Oh and to be more specific in replying to your OP......YES!!! Quenching and grieving the Holy Spirit hinders our spiritual growth to which we may find ourselves stuck on the "milk" and never partaking of the "meat" of His Word.
 

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10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him...
I wonder if verse 10 means there is hope for the foolish virgins that they will be able to live with Him...

A little bit different thing, but wonderful post. "Awake or asleep" above is an allusion to the body being alive or in the grave awaiting resurrection, while in the parable I believe it is a reference to being spiritually asleep.

But the rest of the passage you quoted is indeed talking about spiritual slumber, and being "in the dark," so to speak. So excellent reference! Very insightful : )
 

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A little bit different thing, but wonderful post. "Awake or asleep" above is an allusion to the body being alive or in the grave awaiting resurrection, while in the parable I believe it is a reference to being spiritually asleep.

But the rest of the passage you quoted is indeed talking about spiritual slumber, and being "in the dark," so to speak. So excellent reference! Very insightful : )

Well I realize after I posted I meant to post my thoughts under the parable of the ten virgins. I had followed the link,

I can see what you are saying about being naturally asleep and awake, but in the context, it seems to me to be talking about spiritual softness or vigilence. Because I wondered if the ten virgins were all true believers because of the weeping and gnashing of teeth. That is why I meant this under the ten virgins thread and wonder if I should recopy my thoughts there. :D
 
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IMHO the entire NT is all about the church (as far as parables) please don't yell at me lol....of course Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the main emphasis in the NT....His Church (Christ's Bride) is the ultimate purpose of what He is striving to achieve....so I can see where the 10 virgins can be interpreted as church leaders
The Holy Spirit opened my eyes about the 7 Churches in Revelation....7 church ages....and we are now in the final church age of Laodecia.....
So what you have said and shared about the 10 virgin's fits right in.
It goes back to what I believe to be God revealing to those seeking His HIDDEN Wisdom coming to this new revelation of His Word....the Mysteries of God being revealed.
I thought the volume of the book is about Christ?
 
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Sort of a provocative question, especially when I am talking about the church as a whole. But John prophesied concerning Jesus that He would baptize believers in the Holy Spirit and in Fire, and this began to be fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when tongues of fire were visibly seen to come to rest upon the disciples, as they spoke in tongues and glorified God. But a few decades later, we have Paul writing to the Thessalonians and telling them:

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things, and hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from every form of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is He that calls you, who also will do it. (1 Thessalonians 5:16-24)

What was this passage talking about specifically? "Abstain from every form of evil" (in v.22) was an exhortation directing the reader back to v.15, in that "do not render evil for evil unto any man" was one of the primary ways a congregation could begin to quench the fire of the Holy Spirit among them (see Ephesians 4:26-32, with emphasis on v30). But praying in the Spirit without ceasing and giving thanks to God in tongues kept the fires of the Spirit burning amongst a congregation, so they were commanded to "keep" themselves in the love of God in this manner (Jude 1:20-21).

This is likewise what is discussed in 1 Corinthians, Chapter 14:

12 Even so you, forasmuch as you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that you may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaks in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray in the Spirit and I will pray with the understanding also. I will sing in the Spirit but I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when you shall bless in the Spirit, how shall he that occupies the room of the unlearned say "Amen!" at your giving of thanks, seeing he does not understand what you say?
17 For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not edified. (1 Corinthians 14:12-17)

The verses that read together as, "Rejoice always. Pray incessantly. In every thing give thanks... and quench not the Spirit," are all referring to praying in the Spirit, i.e. praying in tongues. They are immediately followed with "Despise not prophesyings." This then makes the statement which follows, "Quench not the Spirit" a reference to quenching the operation of the gifts of tongues and prophecy in particular.

Have we quenched the Holy Spirit? If so what will it take to get the fires of the Holy Spirit burning amongst us again?

I believe the answer is found in the Parable of the Ten Virgins, which I created a thread on just recently. Paul may well have borrowed the expression "quench not the Spirit" from this parable in fact, where the mistake that the foolish virgins made was to let their lamps "go out." Why were they going out? Because they did not have enough of the oil of the Holy Spirit to keep them from doing so.

I post this because it all the more confirms to me the interpretation I gave on the Parable of the Ten Virgins. It proves the importance that the New Testament writers placed on praying in tongues and prophesying, as gifts that were necessary to maintaining the Presence of God, and continuing to receive true prophetic light in the end-times. Unfortunately, at the present time, the church is still in a state where the Spirit has long since been quenched among us. But the answer to how to fix it is given in my interpretation below to this parable. If we go to God, He who has the power to give us the oil of the Spirit, only then will we restore ourselves to that place where the spiritual gifts operate amongst us again, and the Spirit is no longer quenched, as has been the case with much of the church for a very long time.

Blessings in Christ to all who read these words.

I will post my interpretation to the Parable of the Ten Virgins hereafter, but it can also be found in the following thread:
Parable of the Ten Virgins


It very late here...and I am shutting down tonight...my laptop had "issues" so I have been off line until now...but being late I will have to come back on this in the morning....
The OP looks very good for a discussion :)