Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

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Enoch111

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How did you obtain remission of sins without water baptism per Acts 2:38?
You should have underlined "repent". That is how people receive remission of sins. And that is according to Christ: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47).

And this is exactly what Peter said in Acts 3:19:
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord...

It is the blood of Christ applied to the soul of the sinner which washes away his or her sins. Water baptism is external evidence of an inward reality. Ordinary water cannot possibly wash away the sins within a person.
 
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Her anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism is not at all compatible with Christianity.
Correct. Here is an article that should help Christians to understand that they should support Mr. Trump and speak out against Anti-Semitism:

December 16, 2019

President Trump Again Does the Right Thing for the Jewish People
By Rabbi Aryeh Spero
I was honored to be present at the White House on the day [December 11]
President Trump signed an Executive Order protecting Jewish students from the harassment, bullying, and intimidation on American campuses coming primarily from Islamic student associations and leftwing professors and groups.

This harassment of Jewish students has been going on since the beginning of the Obama administration, and for all their supposed good intentions, the Obama presidency and the House under Nancy Pelosi never signed or passed an order or legislation to protect Jewish students on campus who are being uniquely targeted. Obama’s and Pelosi’s failure to stop this had resulted in an escalation and growing ferocity each succeeding academic year. I and some other Jewish leaders have spoken out and written about this calamity for years.

President Trump’s Executive Order does not attack free speech. Those who as a profession dislike Israel, and those who dislike Jews and use criticism of Israel to demonize Jews and Zionism remain free to spew forth their bias.
What is now prohibited is the following: any speech that has as its goal the incendiary purpose of hostile and discriminatory actions against Jewish students.

It is obvious that many of the Islamic and leftwing speakers on campus are fiercely prodding the audience to ostracize Jewish students from campus activities and clubs and to bully and physically and verbally intimidate Jewish students and invade their privacy by harassing them even in dormitories. The Islamic and leftwing groups scream and pound on locked doors where Jewish students congregate...

There are some Never-Trumpers in the Jewish community who have condemned this Executive Order as anti-Semitic. These are the same people who condemned President Trump when moving our Embassy to Jerusalem as somehow anti-Israel. In their hatred for our President, they twist pro-Israel and pro-Jewish actions by Mr. Trump as anti-Jewish; yet they saw in former President Obama’s capitulation and giveaways to Iran something “pro-Israel
”. Either their hate blinds them to common sense or their partisanship eases them into making lies for the sake of their political goals. No one should listen to them...

The Executive Order expands the definitions in Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to include discrimination based not only on race and color but also on ethnicity and nationality.
By expanding these contours, aggressive Muslim and leftwing students will no longer be able to weasel out of their violence and guilt by claiming they are not against the Jewish religion. If they attack Jews for being Jews, they are attacking them as a people and members of a nationality. This, according to the President’s Order, is no longer tolerated on campuses wishing to receive federal funds.

Some leftwing Jewish detractors of the President hysterically condemned the President for expanding the definition of Jewishness beyond religion to include nationality. They are ignorant. Since it began, beyond being a religion, Jews were part of a people. They were called “The Jewish People.” The Bible, the Torah itself, refers to them as Am Yisrael, which means “the nation of Israel.” These same liberal Jews were against the recent legislation passed by the Knesset in Israel which labeled Israel a Jewish state and nation....

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...es_the_right_thing_for_the_jewish_people.html
 
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You should have underlined "repent". That is how people receive remission of sins. And that is according to Christ: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47).

And this is exactly what Peter said in Acts 3:19:
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord...

It is the blood of Christ applied to the soul of the sinner which washes away his or her sins. Water baptism is external evidence of an inward reality. Ordinary water cannot possibly wash away the sins within a person.
How was repentance and remission of sins preached in Jerusalem?

Acts 2:38 King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


This is where the first mention of remission of sins began at Jerusalem.

Did your beginnings start with this message or did you skip it?
 

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Well you can't be saved until you are born again, as it's then that you can truly receive the Holy Spirit.
As in Acts 2:38 water baptism is for the remission of Sins. then comes the other that is hoped for, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
John the Baptist never had that power to give, only Jesus Christ has that to give, it's a gift. if one does not receive the Gift then you are under water baptism as to remission of your Sins, they can not consume such Holy spiritual food for they are like a baby that can only consume milk.
Jesus Christ is the wellspring that all must come to.

I don't see Paul going to any denomination Church to be saved, because he was born again, he had the Gift given to him by God and he took it up. he came out from among them ! Such is the Kingdom of God.
Jesus said that he was not of this world = of Darkness, but of the Light, nothing is hidden in the Kingdom of God, there are no deceptions or shadows of Darkness, but the Truth and the Truth will set you free, all people are Slaves to Sin until you enter into the Kingdom of God = born again.
It's then when you are not of this world. it's then that this world does not own you, for you are a servant of Christ Jesus = Israel !
Excellent post. Indeed water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ(spoken) remits sins. Indeed the Spirit birth is also needed.
 

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How did you obtain remission of sins without water baptism per Acts 2:38?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

When God removed the veil I could "see" myself for the first time - as a sinner; not as this good person I thought I was. I asked for forgiveneness and we're told "he is faithful and will forgive."

There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind what happened to me irregardless of any beliefs anyone else has. That's the order I was saved in. I did not undergo water baptism until years later. There is a lot that I can't quote scripturally yet I know experientially how it happened - at least with me. Not saying I was typical - I was anything but typical: we lived in a rural area and I wasn't even associated with a church - all I had was God.
 

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When God removed the veil I could "see" myself for the first time - as a sinner; not as this good person I thought I was. I asked for forgiveneness and we're told "he is faithful and will forgive."

There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind what happened to me irregardless of any beliefs anyone else has. That's the order I was saved in. I did not undergo water baptism until years later. There is a lot that I can't quote scripturally yet I know experientially how it happened - at least with me. Not saying I was typical - I was anything but typical: we lived in a rural area and I wasn't even associated with a church - all I had was God.
Doesn't it matter what the Apostle Peter believed?

You did what some modern preacher told you but don't believe Peter.

If someone but Peter told you your sins were remitted aside from water baptism, you need to tell them to get lost, then obey Peter.

Remission of sins comes from having the name of Jesus Christ invoked upon you during water baptism, not beforehand.

And thats Bible.
 

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Remission of sins comes from having the name of Jesus Christ invoked upon you during water baptism, not beforehand.

Unfortunately, Jesus didn't have Truther around to advise Him.

Was Jesus lying when He told the thief on the cross "This day will you be with me in Paradise" Jesus never said to the thief, "But only if you are baptized!"

And when John declared "Anyone who believes on me shall not perish but have eternal life!" He never said, "But only if you are baptized!"

Truther, you are promoting an insidious falsehood; a lie of the Devil!
 
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Unfortunately, Jesus didn't have Truther around to advise Him.

Was Jesus lying when He told the thief on the cross "This day will you be with me in Paradise" Jesus never said to the thief, "But only if you are baptized!"

And when John declared "Anyone who believes on me shall not perish but have eternal life!" He never said, "But only if you are baptized!"

Truther, you are promoting an insidious falsehood; a lie of the Devil!
The thief died before Pentecost....
 

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The thief died before Pentecost....
Are you saying that no one was ever "in the name" before the day of Pentecost as per Acts 2? In any case, what does it mean to be "in His name? Does it means somebody has to speak the name, Jesus, pronouncing it with lips, tongue and vocal cords? Where does it say that in scripture?

"For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." Matt 18:20

Since even a naturally dead mute person may be in His name it must mean more than words spoken by a man.
 

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Are you saying that no one was ever "in the name" before the day of Pentecost as per Acts 2? In any case, what does it mean to be "in His name? Does it means somebody has to speak the name, Jesus, pronouncing it with lips, tongue and vocal cords? Where does it say that in scripture?

"For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." Matt 18:20

Since even a naturally dead mute person may be in His name it must mean more than words spoken by a man.
Let’s slow it down.

First, the Holy Ghost was not being poured out at the cross, but Pentecost.

This was nearly 2 months after the cross.

Pentecost is our era, not the cross era.

Pentecost brought us Acts 2:38 as our message of how to be saved.

You are claiming your salvation as pre-Pentecost, nullifying Acts.

Think about it awhile.
 

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Enoch, I do not understand people like Sovereign Grace who claims to study the Bible and claims to be a Christian, but I am not convinced of either claim. Her anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism is not at all compatible with Christianity. Whatever spirit possesses her, is more like the spirit that possessed Adolf Hilter, a spirit of total evil!!!
The word Anti-Semite is total nonsense and a creation of the Devil. such a definition becomes that wide as well that it's insane to use such a term, it can cover anything and nothing at the same time that it's truly seen as just a joke ! the devil is in the detail in fact.

It's like using the word Anti-Gentile, you could use something as pathetic as that too and were does that get you ? such a concept is so vague and so wide again, that such is just stupid and pathetic to use, sure such rubbish as this helps so much with such devilish deceptions so as to use such vague words when one is of Satan.
Such a concept is so blunt that one should use something more direct if you want to be take seriously at all.

As to the Zionist ? what Zionist ! Biblical Zion ? or the BS Zionist. or what Zion are you talking about.
As to Jews ? what Jews ! so what Jews are you talking about ?
You can say the same of Christians ? so what Christians, are you talking about ?

Just because one may say something against Zionist, does not make it blasphemy or a crime and in the same way with mentioning Jews ? or Christians. Tossing all such things in the same basket, like a fool would do or a cunning adversary like Satan does in trying to mislead the majority just as they did with Jesus, remember that works that was at play against Jesus ? boy they played the games well, they killed all of Gods Prophets mind, but when Jesus replied see how he trumped them Satanist morons. you see that lot were trying their best in deceiving the Jews and robbing them of their inheritance, the majority lost and were vomited out of the Land.

So one can see how nowadays the same powers of Satanist are and have been working to undermine Jesus Christ, we only have to look to the Churches nowadays to see they have failed that badly that it's only a husk that's left and the majority have turned there back on Jesus Christ in fact and are that delusional that they are looking to the Anti-Christ Jews and Islam to save them :rolleyes: what a bunch of morons ! Idolising Political Correctness as their god o_O how delusional can you get ! Political Correctness is what the Satanist mob used against Jesus to bastardise and rob the Jews of their inheritance, this was a curse on the Jews and who was it that this ? the political powers that be peddling mans works, the same game play can be said of the creation of Communism and all Socialism, such systems reject Jesus Christ because they are a mans works, such rejects the Holy Spirit in fact.
You can do nothing without the Holy Spirit ! For the Holy Spirit is of Jesus Christ and of the Father.
The Jews in the State who have come back to the Land and Islam have not the Holy Spirit, they reject Jesus as the Christ and in fact know not the Father.

Oh Boy ! I am going to forsake Jesus Christ for the deceptions of so called Jews who are not worthy at all, but are an Anti-Christ in fact and embrace Islam :confused:, just like all the Politically Correct Satanist do:rolleyes: because it's the trend o_O ? don't want to be like Jesus was now do we and stand up to the deceptions, or some delusional clown may accuse me of being anti-Semitic or maybe I should not expose the so called Zionist for who they truly are, not to mention I have millions of Jews who will back me up on that one as well.
 
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Doesn't it matter what the Apostle Peter believed?

You did what some modern preacher told you but don't believe Peter.

If someone but Peter told you your sins were remitted aside from water baptism, you need to tell them to get lost, then obey Peter.

Remission of sins comes from having the name of Jesus Christ invoked upon you during water baptism, not beforehand.

And thats Bible.

Sounds like you're grappling with understanding something. I know what happened to me and that's all I need to know. I assume God knew what He was doing:)
 

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Enoch, I do not understand people like Sovereign Grace who claims to study the Bible and claims to be a Christian, but I am not convinced of either claim. Her anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism is not at all compatible with Christianity. Whatever spirit possesses her, is more like the spirit that possessed Adolf Hilter, a spirit of total evil!!!

You speak with the tongue of Belial Stan! As in James 3:8 your tongue is full of deadly poison! I have reported your evil, slanderous post!

Proverbs 12:18 - There is that speaketh like the piercings of a sword!

You speak with the serpent's tongue and your words are evil and pierce like a sword! There is not ONE speck of Christ's love in you; only arrogance! You think only you and another here have the truth and that confers on you some right to slander another with whose theology you disagree! It is YOUR OWN PRIDEFUL HEART that is evil! You strut about acting as if only you have access to God! And you blasphemously accuse another of what your own heart is guilty of and you speak with a froward mouth!

The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way,
and the froward mouth, do I hate. Proverbs 8:13

Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

James 1:26 - If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion [is] vain.

You think it's Christlike to hurl lying accusations? Are you representing MY Lord Stan??? No.

According to Scripture your religion is vain.

Luke 9:55

“But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.”

You don't speak words worthy of Christ Stan! There is no love, no compassion of our Lord in your harsh and ugly words. Where is Christ in your reflection??? All I see is a bitter and prideful old man. A sycophant. One who doesn't think for himself or study like a Berean.

Proverbs 11:9 - An hypocrite with [his] mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.

You puff yourself up with pride and try to act like you have another on here supporting your words so you must be right. It only makes you look even more like a strutting fool because those with discernment can see through you and your anti christian spirit. You hurl accusations that you yourself are guilty of! You know not what manner of spirit you are of but it's NOT our Lord's.

Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? [there is] more hope of a fool than of him.

Your tongue and your heart is full of evil and slander and pride!

Psalms 101:5 - Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off: him that hath an high look and a proud heart will not I suffer.

You accuse me falsely of things yet you have the tongue of the slanderer! Hypocrite!

Proverbs 10:18 - He that hideth hatred [with] lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, [is] a fool.

I've met "Christians" like that all throughout my walk. Carnal Christians. How those self-righteous Pharisees must be a stench in God's nostrils.

Like the "Christian" woman who stood there screaming at my child's friend because they were sitting at "HER family's table!" The "Christian" yelled "Now you and your FAT LITTLE FRIEND GET UP AND MOVE!"

In church.

Hypocrites.

Never once did I say that I had all the answers yet now you've labeled me an anti-semite on par with Hitler - all for questioning - that's about as ugly as you can get. But you will be the one who will be shown up for having an ugly heart - not me.

1 Peter 2:12

“Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.”

Yet I also keep in mind when I deal with others such as you that I may be dealing with a tare.

I was introduced to another viewpoint that many pastors who have attended SEMINARY believe and teach. They are not fringe pastors - Chuck Baldwin was the head of the Moral Majority. So maybe you want to accuse him too? Why not - many other "Christian" pastors seem to think it's okay to be unChristlike - all in the Name of God of course.

But I will tell you this: I have not hurled lying accusations at other believers. Your type of "Christianity" scares me to death. You accuse with a serpent's tongue and call yourself a Christian? You are doing the work of the Accuser. You and Enoch puff yourselves up with pride that you study your bible so much better and it's ONLY YOU who know's the truth - no one else could POSSIBLY get light from God. Pride was what made Satan fall yet that seems to have escaped your notice.

Let me tell you a little story about a friend of mine who was late coming to the faith. She didn't know all the "Christian buzzwords" to say, and wasn't "connected" - but she was as true of a believer as I'd ever come across. She had a thirst for God that all the 'churchified' people didn't. She tried to send her daughter to Christian school. A lot of us back then weren't sure what to do including her. She took her daughter to be interviewed and the snobbish *@&*% headmaster said things to that child that we were appalled at. So Mr. Snob Headmaster being the good "Christian" that he was refused her daughter entry to the school.

It was sad yet overtly disgusting when she shared that she called the school to ask about admittance. The good Christian secretary spoke out both sides of her mouth: "Well no they're not allowing your daughter to be admitted...but we don't want to turn her away!!!" (WTH did she think they were DOING???) I cannot tell you how deeply our friend and her daughter were hurt. Her daughter refuses to this day to become a Christian or have anything to do with Christians because they're "hypocrites." And you know what? I have more respect for that young woman than all the snobs in that "Christian" school. And I tend to think that when Christ does save her - if He hasn't already she's going to be a mighty force - so much much more than the snobs who rejected her.

I think if Christ Himself showed up at that "Christian" school they'd reject Him. I think if Christ Himself spoke Scripture you'd haughtily puff yourself up and tell him He was wrong.

Pride is the worst, most pervasive, ugliest sin that I see in operation throughout the church and "Christians."

Mark 12:10

“And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:”

She's got more character in her pinkie than those fakes and flakes have in their entire being. If that was the end of the effect Mr. Jacka** "Christian" had it wouldn't be so bad. But because he refused our friend's daughter entry into "his" school (was he afraid she'd contaminate all the saints there???) Something bad happened to our friend's daughter in the public school. But even with that, to this day I respect that young woman more than every "Christian" I'd ever met. She had the courage speak the truth and be who she was - not some "Christian" social climber who strokes the right egos for the right favors and holds an important position in the church. I've seen all that sh*t and I'm sure it's a STENCH TO GOD!

And I think when Saint Peter stands at those Pearly Gates and my friend's daughter shows up I think she'll gain entrance. But I would not be in the least bit surprised if that "Christian" headmaster was turned away along with some others I've met throughout my walk and on here.

Christians snobbery. I've had my fill of it.

When I sent my first off to college I was worried about crime on campus. I contacted a campus crime organization and got into an interesting conversation with the director. He told me how campuses routinely hide crime so as not to effect the bottom line. I remarked "I guess you don't have that problem with Christian colleges. He said something interesting that always stuck with me: "Actually they're worse because they don't want to admit there's a problem."

Christian liars, imagine that.

Proud, haughty Christians who snobbishly claim that they're right and you're wrong. He who sits in the heavens must laugh...

I can't tell you how many sickening Pharisaical "Christians" I have come across. I was shocked when I found out "Christians" lie and "Christians" play politics and "Christians" play favorites and "Christians" can be just as corrupt as unbelievers and "Christians" even help to commit murder.

I was reading the Psalms yesterday when David talked about his own familiar friend with whom he took sweet counsel together who then stabbed him in the back (ad libbed.) Yes, even David found out that there are carnal, mean-spirited, nasty "Christians."

So Stan I'd say to you: don't worry about me; I'm going to be fine. I read my Bible and I talk with God probably more than anyone else I know. My faith is REAL and HONEST, and whatever GOD chooses to show me is between Him and me! Worry about yourself because your heart is not right within you. Stan is only one letter away from Satan and that's who is controlling you and your wicked pride and tongue!
 
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This is really appalling Stan. Why would you say something so god-awful hurtful and ugly? That just shows me that you have UGLY in YOUR HEART. It's on display for all to see.

I have done no wrong here, yet you have done much wrong.

1 Corinthians 10:12

“Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.”

I've tried to walk away from this conversation about Israel because I saw that it's divisive yet you cannot refrain from attacking me because I'm questioning.

But God knows those who are His. And I know just where I stand with God. I'm not so sure about you. I think Satan is using you. You accuse another of having the spirit which has control of you that is not of God.

Luke 9:55

“But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.”

Romans 8:16

“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”

The most dangerous person is the one who never questions himself; that indeed it may be HE that is wrong and not another.

Luke 6:45 - A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Acts 8:21

“Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.”

I'm going to pray for you because you are so misguided about what a Christian is to be be and how they're to treat one another. There is ZERO love in your speech - only UGLY CONDEMNATION AND UGLY JUDGMENTALISM AND PRIDE. UGLY PRIDE!

Your mantra: "If you don't believe as I do I'm going to vilify you and falsely accuse you." THAT'S disgusting.

Your heart is UGLY Stan. I pray that if you are a real Christian - which I doubt - but if you are that God will speak to you about your sinful heart. You slime others with your hate. The UGLY HATE that is in YOUR heart.

Matthew 5:11

“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
 
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Sounds like you're grappling with understanding something. I know what happened to me and that's all I need to know. I assume God knew what He was doing:)
I don't doubt your experience with God.

I was merely pointing out that we need to have the name invoked over us to obtain remission of sins per Acts 2:38, and that modern theology debunks Peter at Pentecost.
 

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I don't doubt your experience with God.

I was merely pointing out that we need to have the name invoked over us to obtain remission of sins per Acts 2:38, and that modern theology debunks Peter at Pentecost.

I don't really understand what you mean but spiritual experiences and enlightenment given from God is given at His own time, so a verse that means something to you may not at the time speak to me. But we can still treat each other with love and respect. Too many miss the basics, and that's sad.

God bless:)
 

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I suppose Christ was an anti-semite.

You Are of Your Father the Devil

JOHN 8
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
 
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I don't really understand what you mean but spiritual experiences and enlightenment given from God is given at His own time, so a verse that means something to you may not at the time speak to me. But we can still treat each other with love and respect. Too many miss the basics, and that's sad.

God bless:)
Respectfully.
We need to duplicate the DOCTRINE and EXPERIENCE we see in Acts 2:38, then the rest of Acts.
That is how we become complete in the truth.
Jesus expects us to walk in spirit and truth.
Some walk in spirit without truth...some walk in truth without spirit.
We need both to be complete.
God bless you too.
 

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Let’s slow it down.

First, the Holy Ghost was not being poured out at the cross, but Pentecost.

This was nearly 2 months after the cross.

Pentecost is our era, not the cross era.

Pentecost brought us Acts 2:38 as our message of how to be saved.

You are claiming your salvation as pre-Pentecost, nullifying Acts.

Think about it awhile.
I simply asked some questions. I did not mention salvation at all although it may be involved. Jesus said if 2 or 3 gather together "in His name" He would be in their midst. He did not say this could only happen after the day of Pentecost. Why do you conclude that it had to be? Can you make what Jesus said in Matt 18:20 fit into what you are saying? Do you understand the difference between speaking the name of Jesus and being in it?
 
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