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Is one worthy of power and glory, or the exercise of righteousness and good judgment? What is one worthy to take part in? Could it be death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?

Consider: who isn’t worthy of partaking in death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?
 

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Is one worthy of power and glory, or the exercise of righteousness and good judgment? What is one worthy to take part in? Could it be death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?

Consider: who isn’t worthy of partaking in death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?

Matthew 7:13. Tells us that broad is the road.

1 Peter 5:8. Describes the enemy as a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

So it would seem the enemy isn't at all selective who is his slave or victim.
 

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Is one worthy of power and glory, or the exercise of righteousness and good judgment? What is one worthy to take part in? Could it be death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?

Consider: who isn’t worthy of partaking in death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?
I don't know about 'worthy' but you best walk in the Spirit and become righteous or holy, because those are the only groups that will enter heaven. Revelation 22:11
 

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Matthew 7:13. Tells us that broad is the road.

1 Peter 5:8. Describes the enemy as a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

So it would seem the enemy isn't at all selective who is his slave or victim.


sorry don't follow
 

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Is one worthy of power and glory, or the exercise of righteousness and good judgment? What is one worthy to take part in? Could it be death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?

Consider: who isn’t worthy of partaking in death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?

None are worthy! We are to strive to obtain the fulness and Stature of our Savior!

But! on the other hand, we are all worthy to take part in? one way or the other!
 
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I don't know about 'worthy' but you best walk in the Spirit and become righteous or holy, because those are the only groups that will enter heaven. Revelation 22:11

Heaven is God’s Throne correct? And when is it you think one enters the Kingdom of Heaven? Seeing the Holy Spirit is God’s Spirit and Jesus did say God is a Spirit. Therefore, being born of said Spirit makes one a Child of the same and one can call who Jesus calls Father, Father also. So, since God is in Heaven and His Presences (Holy Spirit) is with and in the born again. Where is Heaven in relationship the born again?


Jesus never said He left Heaven while He waked in the flesh, did He?

KJV: Joh_3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


Jesus also explains here where the Kingdom of God is in relationship to the born of God’s Spirit:

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Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
 
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None are worthy! We are to strive to obtain the fulness and Stature of our Savior!

But! on the other hand, we are all worthy to take part in? one way or the other!


Agreed none are worthy in the case of Heaven, but it’s God’s worthiness in us that is worthy that makes it Righteous for us to be there in God’s Presences. Surly that which is of God is worthy to be in His own Presence.

We may seek His Likeness and Image to dominate because we Love His likeness or seek the treasures in Heaven but nothing of our own, will survive the fire. Only that which is of Him will survive.


Anyway, the treasure in Heaven is Him.

Ps good to hear from you.



so for logic sake the condemned are worthy of condemnation and the things there in.

KJVA:
Wis 1:16  But ungodly men with their works and words called it to them: for when they thought to have it their friend, they consumed to nought, and made a covenant with it, because they are worthy to take part with it. 
 
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Heaven is God’s Throne correct? And when is it you think one enters the Kingdom of Heaven? Seeing the Holy Spirit is God’s Spirit and Jesus did say God is a Spirit. Therefore, being born of said Spirit makes one a Child of the same and one can call who Jesus calls Father, Father also. So, since God is in Heaven and His Presences (Holy Spirit) is with and in the born again. Where is Heaven in relationship the born again?


Jesus never said He left Heaven while He waked in the flesh, did He?

KJV: Joh_3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


Jesus also explains here where the Kingdom of God is in relationship to the born of God’s Spirit:

KJV:

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Okay, so in that sense, once all our sins have been cleansed and we are children of God, then we are worthy of the kingdom of heaven. However, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. That is what I was referring to earlier. Then we can not change back and commit trespasses again as we can now. Then we will be in the state we died in: filthy, unbelieving, righteous or holy. Only the last two will enjoy eternal life.
 

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Agreed none are worthy in the case of Heaven, but it’s God’s worthiness in us that is worthy that makes it Righteous for us to be there in God’s Presences. Surly that which is of God is worthy to be in His own Presence.

We may seek His Likeness and Image to dominate because we Love His likeness or seek the treasures in Heaven but nothing of our own, will survive the fire. Only that which is of Him will survive.


Anyway, the treasure in Heaven is Him.

Ps good to hear from you.



so for logic sake the condemned are worthy of condemnation and the things there in.

KJVA:
Wis 1:16  But ungodly men with their works and words called it to them: for when they thought to have it their friend, they consumed to nought, and made a covenant with it, because they are worthy to take part with it. 
it’s God’s worthiness in us

Surly that which is of God is worthy to be in His own Presence.

Well said!
Works that are through His will, through us may stand the test of fire, Precious Stone's, and Gold refined in Fire!
Yet works of the flesh, Hay, Stubble, works that some do for their own glory, will be burned up!
 

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Heaven is God’s Throne correct? And when is it you think one enters the Kingdom of Heaven? Seeing the Holy Spirit is God’s Spirit and Jesus did say God is a Spirit. Therefore, being born of said Spirit makes one a Child of the same and one can call who Jesus calls Father, Father also. So, since God is in Heaven and His Presences (Holy Spirit) is with and in the born again. Where is Heaven in relationship the born again?


Jesus never said He left Heaven while He waked in the flesh, did He?

KJV: Joh_3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


Jesus also explains here where the Kingdom of God is in relationship to the born of God’s Spirit:

KJV:

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

I used to reject the statement, The Kingdom of God is within you, and in recent times I have come to understand that we are to live out our Lives as if we are already in His Kingdom, for who would ever reject the Idea that Our Heavenly Father, and Our Savior, are always observant of what we do daily! Omnipresent !!
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Okay, so in that sense, once all our sins have been cleansed and we are children of God, then we are worthy of the kingdom of heaven.
the cleansing is true, but the reason one is qualified to be in Heaven or better said Heaven in them is what is of God with them. what is of God is worthy. the Life that Christ has, has been given and that Life that is of God is what is worthy, not us.

However, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. That is what I was referring to earlier. Then we can not change back and commit trespasses again as we can now. Then we will be in the state we died in: filthy, unbelieving, righteous or holy. Only the last two will enjoy eternal life.


the state of sin or remain in separation from God might be more accurate. when one is born into the world one is born into sin and condemnation, doesn't matter how "filthy" or not "filthy" it may be, the result is the same. its the righteousness of Christ that Justifies, not how clean or unclean.
 

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I used to reject the statement, The Kingdom of God is within you, and in recent times I have come to understand that we are to live out our Lives as if we are already in His Kingdom, for who would ever reject the Idea that Our Heavenly Father, and Our Savior, are always observant of what we do daily! Omnipresent !!
PS- Welcome Back!

I would go as far to say that, every thing you say and do is observable by all in heaven, nothing private if you know what I mean. every thought every word every act. God sees our hearts like people look at each other's faces.
 

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I would go as far to say that, every thing you say and do is observable by all in heaven, nothing private if you know what I mean. every thought every word every act. God sees our hearts like people look at each other's faces.
Um yes God judges all men and thier hearts, there's no heart on earth that will not be judged and exposed for what it is, I believe judgment is coming upon this world soon and will be expose for what it is but just because the Lord hasn't interfere yet doesn't mean he won't later, he just has his appointed time where he does his thing. I think Jesus meant the kingdom is not something be observed cause the kingdom is within us...the holy spirit is that spirit which enters us first so we enter the kingdom of heaven in a oneness where we become one in the Trinity and in the spirit of the holy spirit Jesus and God. but I guess it is also another way to describe being born again and having the spirit within who guides us into all truth..to see the kingdom of heaven means to have your eyes open and see all truth..to see things Jesus spiritually and not that of a said Carnal mind.. remember Jesus told Peter he was not thinking like God but like men thinks..so unless we become born again and enter the kingdom of heaven , we will always be outside of that kingdom.. anyone who is outside of the kingdom is still of the world but Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world so its the truth that shall set us free from our prison of what this world brings us so when we recieve the spirit we recieve Jesus and everything of him thereof. And live freely knowing where our hearts are. we recieve the truth in all things. Jesus also said that the kingdom of heaven also comes in a way unforseeable meaning people expect it to come in all sort of ways like some magical city with a yellow road or something when it was Jesus who was the son of God sent by the father to fulfill his mission on earth, how men expected someone else when in fact it was Jesus who was the chosen one sent to them. But because of thier unbeliveing hearts, lack of faith and high expectations of the coming Messiah and such things they did not accept Jesus or honor him for who he truly was..they still claimed to know God and thought they were serving him when in reality Jesus was the very one they were waiting for, the one with the power of God and his spirit upon him, the one who was walking with Jesus and there with him his entire ministry all along..the one they kept testing and rejecting until he was finally crucified on the bloody cross's by bloody men who thought they knew it all...etc
 
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the cleansing is true, but the reason one is qualified to be in Heaven or better said Heaven in them is what is of God with them. what is of God is worthy. the Life that Christ has, has been given and that Life that is of God is what is worthy, not us.




the state of sin or remain in separation from God might be more accurate. when one is born into the world one is born into sin and condemnation, doesn't matter how "filthy" or not "filthy" it may be, the result is the same. its the righteousness of Christ that Justifies, not how clean or unclean.
The bible says not to call anything unclean what the Lord has made clean and until we are all made right in Jesus we all still remain filthy rags....
 

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I used to reject the statement, The Kingdom of God is within you, and in recent times I have come to understand that we are to live out our Lives as if we are already in His Kingdom, for who would ever reject the Idea that Our Heavenly Father, and Our Savior, are always observant of what we do daily! Omnipresent !!
PS- Welcome Back!
No one who is outside the kingdom can live like thier within it because Jesus said we must be born again and anyone who isn't born again can not see God's truth or be awaken to it without the holy spirit..it's the holy spirit who awakens us and gives us life cause the spirit is life and it is truth and anyone not born again living outside the kingdom can't live that way until they enter it and see the truth first...etc
 

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Is one worthy of power and glory, or the exercise of righteousness and good judgment? What is one worthy to take part in? Could it be death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?

Consider: who isn’t worthy of partaking in death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?
I believe rightouesness because we should always strive to do what's right in this world...nothing more rewarding then doing the right thing..if we all practice the righteousness of God more it would save a lot of injustice and unfairness in this world...and trust me there's a lot of it...but only in Christ we can grow in righteousness because without him none of us can be right without the knowledge and discipline of Christ's righteousness for him being the only perfect person ever lived only he could teach is how to live in such a way or be such a person...and to be the best at something..you have to learn from the best...and to do the right thing we must have good judgement also because it's the only way to discern right from wrong and truth from error to come to the right decisions about things etc..being rightoues does not make any of us better then anyone..it just makes one real and true...it helps us become spiritually mature and more too.like Christ..and without deceit or carnal thinking..but who is righteous? Like I said until we are made right in Jesus..there ain't none righteous on this Earth not even I ..I realize and see that more and more everyday no matter how perfect I try to be I still have a lot of stuff in my heart to work on..thats why Jesus tells us not to pass judgement on anyone cause each of us have our own trouble and wickness in our own hearts to deal with...etc
 
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Is one worthy of power and glory, or the exercise of righteousness and good judgment? What is one worthy to take part in? Could it be death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?

Consider: who isn’t worthy of partaking in death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?
Besides what's power and glory without rightouesness..that's just stupid..who exercises power and glory without rightouesness..that would be just pure deception and fraudulent on our part....not christlike at all...if one is gonna exercise some kind of power and glory one better make sure they exercise all three of them....
 

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If one wants to become a righteous man or woman of God they have to start thinking like a rightoues woman or man of God and of what's truly right and unfair and start doing the right things or atleast put on the mind of Christ and think Christlike...or like Jesus himself does..with a heart of compassion and the characteristics of Christ...etc
 
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Is one worthy of power and glory, or the exercise of righteousness and good judgment? What is one worthy to take part in? Could it be death and destruction, or even lies and corruption? Consider: who isn’t worthy of partaking in death and destruction, or even lies and corruption?
I'm not sure what your point is. Why would anyone be *worthy* of evil deeds or evil doings?
 

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the cleansing is true, but the reason one is qualified to be in Heaven or better said Heaven in them is what is of God with them. what is of God is worthy. the Life that Christ has, has been given and that Life that is of God is what is worthy, not us.




the state of sin or remain in separation from God might be more accurate. when one is born into the world one is born into sin and condemnation, doesn't matter how "filthy" or not "filthy" it may be, the result is the same. its the righteousness of Christ that Justifies, not how clean or unclean.

I'm not talking about what we are born into, but when we die. If you are still sinning at the time of your death, then you don't belong to Christ and are neither righteous nor holy and will remain filthy forever in hell.
 
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