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We are to be blameless before God, therefore Jesus said "Be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect". By the way, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
Let not man accuse you
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If one only knew who and what that you are following, when you're not walking in God's ways, it would put the fear of God within you, disabling you to partake anymore in actions which offend God.
One day I hope that I wake up and see the sinister and wicked nature of the things that i do, and exactly who is behind them. Satan is a murderer, a liar, and he derives pleasure from torture, sadism and wickedness (history has proven this). And, he is the most depraved, wicked and grotesque being that exists, and yet, we are so easily enticed into succumbing to his schemes. For, if it is not from God, it is from sin, and the devil is the author of sin.
We have become so desensitized to the nature and parameters of iniquity from the world that we live in, that there was no hesitation or compromise in Jesus' tone when he called us all evil (Matt 7:11). Meaning, we are just so unaware how depraved and sinister the things that we approve of, are.
So that, one of my exercises in the effort to desist sin, is to stop for a minute and think about who I am both serving and honouring, when I commit sin.
...hopefully, it will and make you want to vomit, and utterly mortify you!
- Nov 22, 2019
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Sorry, I should've explained, ...you stated we need to be blameless & perfect before God, I attempted to offer a means on how to accomplish this.
...if we only saw how truly repulsive and abominable our actions were, and who we serving when we commit sins, in my mind, that would be a very effective catalyst to desist sinning, and start heading towards perfection. ...outside of several other very practical means to abort sin.
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Ok and what did you see? You can't see anything no matter how you look at or see it only God can see through the most important part which is within our hearts.. the Lord does not judge by outward appearance he judges and examines our hearts... appearances are decieving, it doesn't say much...
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No man/woman can stop sinning in the flesh. If that were possible Jesus would not have had to shed His blood on a cross to pay for the sins of the whole world. Since man can not stop sinning because of his/her sinful nature the only way that God could save a person is by doing it Himself. He did it when He shed His blood on a cross.
Today, under God's grace, there is a complete level field for everyone. God (Jesus) paid for all the sins of mankind. The level field is that everyone has a pardon for their sins. It was purchased by Jesus on a cross. But man has a hard time believing it. They refuse to accept Jesus' payment is for them and would rather try and earn it by their works in religion. Paul warned us about the sin of unbelief. A person either believes in what God (Jesus) did on the cross to pay for their sins of the flesh or in what they do to earn salvation through religion..
It is very simple. A person ether trusts (has faith) in God or in him/her self.
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You're speaking a very strange language? God does not have blood to shed, ...or a body for that matter, were you unaware?
Secondly, in case you were also unaware, people decide by the minute whether or not they are going to sin. Sometimes we are unaware of whether or not if a certain act is a sin, or just how egregious a sin that it is (this is what i was trying to convey in my previous posts). But, we decide every minute how to act, which attitudes, motives and desires are more beneficial and less consequential. This is why the Bible affirms that wisdom is the greatest trait in the universe.
I'm sorry Richard, but you're just speaking nonsense when you say that we have no control over actions.
In case you were unaware, i wrote this post, and i decided on every single word to use, exactly in what tone that i was going to speak, and decided whether I cared if I was going to offend anyone or not? ...or are you saying that someone, or something else, wrote this post and chose the words for me?
Jennifer, my point was that you didn't say much? All that you did was cite a very obvious, but extremely profound , principle from the Bible. In other words, love and holiness has been regurgitated so much that they've now becomes inefficacious clichés. If find it extremely pretentious when people use such lofty speech, and yet show no understanding that they even know what they're talking about? Were you unaware how difficult the advancement towards perfection is?
In other words, your words are absolutely idle if you don't offer any insight on the nature and depravity of sin, and of the benefits and strength of righteousness. We're all struggling over here.
I attempted to offer a method on how to avoid sin, ...because you didn't!
As in, sometimes we don't realize how much we hurt people, how selfish, negative or hedonistic that we are behaving. Or just how ugly a commonly accepted practice is, drinking, tattoos, casual sex, certain TV shows or movies, etc...
My point is, stop and realize the futility or consequences of your actions. Stop and appreciate who the author of sin is. These are steps towards becoming more perfect.
- Nov 22, 2019
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I just meant that we should be kind always no matter how people treat us ,nobody is perfect or good, the only one who can be good all the time is God because he is God. Etc. That's all I meant.. stay blameless by never stop being nice to people..so they can't blame nothing on you or find fault on you... Etc do you understand now? Because that's what the 'unrighteous' does, they prey on the 'righteous' next move waiting for them to stumble and fall in error....and what actions? What the heck you seeing me do?
Well, sorry if I came off a bit disgruntled. But you kept pressing me to explain myself, which I thought that my intention was rather obvious?
Thank you, I get the full extent of your point now. ...and I agree with you 200%+.
...but Jennifer, you still haven't gotten my point yet, I think ('...What the heck you seeing me do?')
Staying blameless is extremely difficult, that's all I'm saying. You, on the other hand, appear to think that it's easy, that you don't need to offer any advice on how to accomplish it. It's like you think that just say 'love one another' or 'be good', is enough to compel someone to stop retaliating, or to not give the enemy any reason to criticize (1 Tim 5:14)?
...I haven't seen you do anything, as I'm am not talking about you directly, but rather about everyone, including myself!
The phrase '...realize the futility or consequences of your actions...', was meant for everyone, as in 'our actions', not specifically you alone.
Therefore, my initial point was, understand that retaliation, for example, is from the devil. Once, either you, me, or anyone, realizes that, that's a step forward to not doing it, or achieving what you prescribed in your original post. I never, ever disagreed with you, or claimed that you were guilty of anything. I was just trying to expound on your comment, which, I believe that it was 300%+ correct, that's all. I was offering a methodology, not a criticism of any sort.
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No it's not that..I'm just too tired and lazy to explain myself right now so I try to get straight to the point...and there's no other way to accomplish it but to receive the holy spirit, be guided by it put on Christ and grow in the mind of Christ Jesus and armour of God and read and obey your bible.....you can never go wrong that way...I know what it is like to feel bothered and hurt by others but I think that's thier goal to get a rise out of us....or some kind of reaction so we stumble and fall....I told ya this already...what don't you still understand? What else have me say?
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...there you go again, doing nothing more than citing clichés, that even Benny Hinn & Joel Osteen can do?
I ask you, what does it mean 'receive the Holy Spirit' and be guided by it' i.e. how does one know when he's received it, and how do you know that you, Jennifer, have it, or are being guided by it? It's just meaningless unless you explain this very profound and difficult passage?
The same thing for 'put on Christ and grow in the mind of Christ' and 'put on the armour of God' , everyone knows the expression, even Creflo Dollar and Ken Copeland, but these ideals are absolutely useless unless ones offers an insight to their meaning, and ways to accomplish these actions.
Again Jennifer, these are extremely difficult exhortations, I have yet to meet a Christian who is guided by the Holy Spirit, even though it's one of the Church's main tenets. Why do you think this forum is even up & running, it's because there's so much dissension, factions and disagreement in the Church, all by people who claim that they're guided by the Holy Spirit, or that 'the Holy Spirit told me'. Complete rubbish! I wish that it were true, but it is clearly not. That's because nobody knows what the phrase truly means, or how to achieve it, including myself.
And for crying out loud, I told you that i agreed with your initial post, how many times, ...for what does 200% & 300% mean??? I said, for the 3rd time, you need to offer more insight when you quote very profound and mysterious scriptural passages. The only remedy that you gave, that was meaningful and attainable, was read and obey your Bible. Everyone gets that, ...but even 'obey your Bible' has its difficulties. Who on the site agrees to what is required for a Christian to obey? etcetera, etcetera...
In other words, the best remedy to deal with antagonizing and abusive people, is to recognize the pathetic, desperate and depraved ways of their actions. For it is more shameful to try and undermine an innocent person's efforts, than it is to be undermined under a false pretense. I would have to be extremely weak & insecure to want the worst for my neighbour, or even my enemy. I'd show more confidence and maturity if I chose to build up people, or if I disagree with something, just to walk way, or rebuke openly. In other words, I don't tell people to wait for the Holy Spirit to come upon them in order to deal with a situation. Christians in this day and age, do not understand that, ...even though they love to quote it every minute.
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What the heck..stop lying ..if you know something you better stop acting like you don't know...how you gonna say all that and end your post with a paragraph on abuse? Well who is abusing someone and how is that relevant to anything I said? And if you don't know who the holy spirit is or how it works then you don't have the holy spirit because the spirit would have revealed himself to you by now..how can the spirit not know his own self..I think he would know who he is and if he was dwelling inside you ..you would know too cause you would feel it in your heart by being one with it now..you would know the truth cause that is what the spirit does reveal the truth to us...you receive it by going to Jesus and accepting both Jesus and the spirit of invitation in your heart when the wind blows toward you inviting you in...and it's not just accepting him..it's recognizing the power of God ..and the power of the spirit of Jesus when he comes to you... remember Jesus said those who hear his voice follow him and because they hear his voice and follow him is because they know him and belong to him..do you understand now? And I'm sorry but when I'm sick tired and lazy I guess I can't help but be cliche about it..even if I did explain myself you probably still find fault in my responses and not understand anything I explained to you....and yeah we have to obey the bible..you can't go to church and not help your neighbor the next day ..you can't say a prayer asking him to heal someone illness and not pray for other people...you can't sing a song worshipping God and not spend time with him or talk to him ...etc.. we have to do both read and obey and you know the two greatest commandments..to love and honor the Lord with all our soul and heart mind and to love our neighbor because love does no harm to it's neighbor..but what the heck you talking about being insecure..who is insecure? Did you just write all that to take a dab at me in my responses..to condemn me to make me feel bad.. I don't even know you..but the things you say in your posts makes me think you do know me and know something...
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Jennifer darling, not one of my posts was ever directed at you. Please don't take any of them that way. Not one was referring to you, for I don't know you at all, never had, and probably never will. So, how in the world could I ever call you anything, or accuse you of being this way, or that way? I can't, unless I'm a lunatic, which hopefully, I'm not.
What I gave were just some anecdotes to make a point, to teach a principle. They were hypothetical examples. They were wisdom, like in the book of proverbs, eg: if a man greets his neighbour loudly in the morning, it will be taken as a curse. I wasn't saying, for example, that you, Jennifer, are loud, or are the neighbour. It was a general principle, for all people, including myself, to live by.
You said that you were talking about abusive people, so i gave an anecdote, or offered insight on how to deal with them. I was not calling YOU abusive, but addressing your concern about other people who are abusive.
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And yet I say again let no man accuse you. I don't remember saying anything about abuse or wishing anything on my enemy in this thread, what kind of wisdom though?.you are just speaking from your own mouth making assumptions and throwing accusations at me. I know one thing though..you can't have any kind of wisdom without the holy spirit....
Jesus said:
Matthew 7
[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7
[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Sorry Jen, I think that everything that I said was misconstrued. My apologies for not being more clear. I didn't mean to cast any accusations at you. I agreed with everything that you said, I was just trying to expound on it.
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I understand what you are saying....instead of going around trying to remove the speck out of others eyes we need to remove the beam from our own...in other words judge ourselves to see if there be any iniquity in us before we go around accusing others of having iniquity in them. I have been reminded by the Holy Spirit numerous times here lately that I am just as guilty of the same offense that I have blamed others of.....I am starting to come to the place that I look inwardly everytime I see a fault in someone else....and everytime I have been guilty of the same thing at some point.....I can't find anytime in my life where I was perfect and blameless before Him....I am filthy rags next to His Holiness.....I am ever so humble and thankful that I am the righteousness of God THROUGH Jesus, the one who truly is blameless and perfect before God.
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