The Influence of Islam on Christendom

Episkopos said:

Can others here help marks to see what he is missing? I am asking in all sincerity.

I wish you could understand my answer....but I don't think you would be able to hear my explanation as to why you can't track what I'm saying. Your ego would get in the way...because you are looking for affirmation...not instruction.

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I wish I could epi. I can't even get him to stop using his gift of sight to condemn other blind men. I try and try to wrap my mind around using a gift of God to condemn unbelievers, but I can't figure out how one gets there...all I know is that Jesus did not condemn Mark's so...I dont know how Mark's then condemns others.

So I'm left trying to ascertain how a man who does this has the Holy Spirit. Its like... I was blind but now I see and you're going to hell...

Episkopos said:

Being born again is an individual consideration The OP is the effect of Islam on all of Christendom....and that includes BAC's...because these are still human and are not evolved so often to the point of discerning the forces that affect the world...or even themselves in most cases. So you are trying to find a distinction or exemption based on being born again...to make that a bigger deal than it is, IMHO. I say that because either people are not really born again...or they are stuck and deceived like everyone else because of a lack of instruction. (My people perish for lack of knowledge)

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OK, so this clears up one question for me, you then are speaking of all who identify as Christian, and not only those who have been born again.

To be clear, I personally don't think there is a more important distinction in all humanity in the current age than that some are reborn and the others are not. Some live only in the fallen Adamic life, while others have been reborn with God's nature.

But in saying that the militancy and totalitarianism of Islam has infected Christendom, I wouldn't have an argument with that, only, I don't think we need Islam for the unsaved among us to want to force their standards on others. As I see it people naturally do that, and like to position themselves above others in all sorts of ways.

BTW . . . I wouldn't say "I'm trying to find a distinction . . ." as if I want to make the Bible say a certain thing. In reality, I see a distinction in Scripture between those who are born again and those who are not.

But to be sure, many are deceived, and think that a relationship with God is something very different from what it really is meant to be.

Let me ask you this if I may.

What does it mean to you to "enter the kingdom of God"?

Much love!

stunnedbygrace said:

I can't even get him to stop using his gift of sight to condemn other blind men.

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Tell me please . . . who have I condemned? Am I not the one being accused?

stunnedbygrace said:

...I dont know how Mark's then condemns others.

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Seriously. Who have I condemned? And if no one, then isn't this false?

I bring this up so that we can dispense with this sort of thing . . . may we?

Episkopos said:

And right there is the problem. God has no favourites. A person can be born again or say he is born again but the proof is always in the pudding so to speak. I see the most immature people calling themselves born again.

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Not sure I agree this is a problem, but I think we're approaching this from two different directions. I'm coming at it from a point of "reality" if you will (not meaning anything by that), to say that rebirth is either real or it's not.

But agreed, God is not partial to one over another, not everyone who claims to be reborn is, I expect, and the proof will bear itself out over time.

Episkopos said:

There's that drum beating again. it has nothing to do with anything. If I say that ice tends to be slippery...that includes people who are born again. It includes everybody who walks on the ice.

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If you say people may slip on ice, yes, that would be just anyone, I imagine, but just the same, if you say, who may enter the kingdom of God, according to Jesus, that is only those who are born again. Is that not what He said?

Episkopos said:

A deep subject that is not in line with the OP. Actually I have covered this in many of my own threads.

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OK. I don't want to derail anything. I appreciate your responses.

Much love!

Episkopos said:

A person who is born again doesn't keep talking about being born again unless he is speaking from an indoctrinated dogma. A real born again person speaks FROM that place...not ABOUT it.

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Why would that be?

Do you not ever discuss rebirth with others? Do you really mean to say that anyone who discusses rebirth is not born again?

Much love!

Jesus told an adulterer, neither do I condemn you. But it was very religious men He condemned all the time. If you let your mind try to grasp this, it was those who thought they understood and could teach others who He condemned. It should stop men in their tracks. It should shut a lot of mouths. It should produce a lot of horrified looks. Instead it produces men who condemn the adulteress and approve of anyone else who also condemns her. I mean...I can't even form words about it. Its too horrifying. There is blindness and then there is terrifying blindness.

stunnedbygrace said:

Jesus told an adulterer, neither do I condemn you. But it was very religious men He condemned all the time. If you let your mind try to grasp this, it was those who thought they understood and could teach others who He condemned. It should stop men in their tracks. It should shut a lot of mouths. It should produce a lot of horrified looks. Instead it produces men who condemn the adulteress and approve of anyone else who also condemns her. I mean...I can't even form words about it. Its too horrifying. There is blindness and then there is terrifying blindness.

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If this is in reference to me, I'm still interested in where you find I've condemned others.

But you cannot, and will not, because I have not.

So then who is condemning whom?

stunnedbygrace said:

If you let your mind try to grasp this, it was those who thought they understood and could teach others who He condemned

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That's not quite so.

Yes, they thought they understood and could teach. But that's not the full view. Though they thought they understood and could teach, they did not have a right relationship with God, and though they taught God's law, they did not keep it, and were demanding of others what they did not do themselves.

Many here think both that they understand, and can teach, including Episkopos. Should all be condemned? Of course not. That's not the problem. The problem is knowing what is right, and not doing it.

Much love!

Episkopos said:

If I'm talking about apples and someone keeps talking about rebirth and how that relates to apples I think one of two things.

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I'm sorry, Episkopos, I was simply trying to clarify what you mean when you say "Christian", because speaking candidly, I just haven't seen a consistency in your posts in how you speak of a Christian, sometimes ascribing what the Bible speaks of regarding those who have been born into God's family, and sometimes speaking of those who haven't.

I thought that was cleared up when you seemed to indicate that you thought of this as all who called themself such, whether rightfully or not. And so that seemed to make sense with what I've read from you.

I appreciate that you are not looking for an affirmation, that's cool, though I expect you mean to say that I am, which is getting personal again. There's no call for that, and you truly do not know what is in my heart.

I will accept then that you do not wish to discuss being born from God. That's up to you.

I would say there are more possibilities than 2 of why it could be that a Christian is interested in discussing rebirth from God. But then we are all different. And I realize we have very different ideas of what that rebirth actually is, and maybe that has to do with your reluctance. Or just as you say, for you it's something you don't just discuss.

Much love! And have a great weekend!

I'm thinking pretty hard right now on why it's so important to remember: You did not choose Me. I chose you.

JohnPaul said:

You a Star Wars fan B?

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wish i could say no lol; "fan" tho prolly not.
rather play with a lyrebird or something tho
read a book

Helen said:

Then all the chatter started from experts who went in to examine it afterward.

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surprised its still available tbh

Helen said:

My hubby and I said that on the very day we all sat and watched it over and over...we never for one moment believed it was anything other than an inside job.
Then all the chatter started from experts who went in to examine it afterward.
I have mentioned here before, re my next door neighbours niece, who lived in a high-rise apartment and could see the Twin Towers clearly, and also watched all the activity that happened there the day BEFORE it happened!!!
Next day men in black came to her door...took her phone, computer, camera and every other device. Put a gun to her head and told her the they would find her and kill her if she mentioned anything that she saw to anyone. ( She was 25 at that time) She was so scared she didn't even mention it to her mother until 8 years later. Obviously she moved out of NY as soon as she could.

But no one believes that any more than they believe that it was a inside job.

NOT that I am a Muslim lover ... = love the person, hate what they stand for.
I read the booklet Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion when I was in my 30's, and you know how long ago that was!!

So I have always been informed about that agenda too!!

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and trust me, you will not have to reply to any other quotes of that post lol

Hidden In Him said:

I'd be interested to know what you believe regarding the coming Messianic kingdom, and to what extent it will or will not be totalitarian as well : )
I know my answer. What would you say?

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you mean "coming tomorrow" huh sis
daughters of Jerusalem, do not find love until you are ready

bbyrd009 said:

wish i could say no lol; "fan" tho prolly not.
rather play with a lyrebird or something tho
read a book

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May the Force be with you B.

JohnPaul said:

May the Force be with you B.

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unforce here, but ty

bbyrd009 said:

unforce here, but ty

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I sense a dark side to you young bbyrd.

JohnPaul said:

I sense a dark side to you young bbyrd.

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ha well the force is used to get ones way right, however innocently the motives are presented