There Is No Rapture

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ChristWarrior

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chapter 13 in ezekiel (among many other places in the bible) specifically states in the KJV that there is no rapture.Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms(God will save those who are being misled into the arms of false prophets and satans fly away doctrine, especially during the end days and when the false christ appears), and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.Earlier on in the chapter God is specifically calling out female preachers (a woman came up with the rapture doctrine claiming it a revelation from God) is clearly stating that God is against anyone male or female that would tell people that they can just fly to save their souls. Does God like wimps? Was David a wimp? Does the end chapter in Ecclesiastes sound like it is talking about wimps in the coming end days? In more than 4 places in the end chapter of Ecclesiastes alone it states "Standing firm to the end and to STAND FIRM. Now here is a very important question: Does standing firm sound like flying away? Last time I checked, to stand firm is the direct opposite from fleeing. Take the next verse - "Stand against the fiery darts of Satan". Does this sound like we will be raptured out of here when times get truly rough? Do fly away wimps stand firm to the end with the armor of Gods love, truth, power, righteousness and wisdom firmly strapped to every part of their being and body? No. Fly away wimps think they are too good for this world and are holier than thou narcissists who think to stay in the field and help as many people as you can in trying times is too good for them. Check the bible, really study it, and be careful who you listen too including myself. "For many false prophets/preachers have come and are in the world." Who is right? Gods word is right. And God has little tolerance for poor me babies or fly away wimps. Go ahead, Make satans day. Fly away right into his arms when he comes at the 6th trump claiming to be Christ. Talk about deceived. Our Job as Christians is to allow the holy spirit to witness against the false Christ when we are delivered up before the synagogue of satan, not fly away and hide behind God as he does all the work, cause that is not going to happen. Don't be deceived by satan.
 

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QUOTE (ChristWarrior @ Feb 17 2009, 10:10 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69320
chapter 13 in ezekiel (among many other places in the bible) specifically states in the KJV that there is no rapture.Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms(God will save those who are being misled into the arms of false prophets and satans fly away doctrine, especially during the end days and when the false christ appears), and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.Earlier on in the chapter God is specifically calling out female preachers (a woman came up with the rapture doctrine claiming it a revelation from God) is clearly stating that God is against anyone male or female that would tell people that they can just fly to save their souls. Does God like wimps? Was David a wimp? Does the end chapter in Ecclesiastes sound like it is talking about wimps in the coming end days? In more than 4 places in the end chapter of Ecclesiastes alone it states "Standing firm to the end and to STAND FIRM. Now here is a very important question: Does standing firm sound like flying away? Last time I checked, to stand firm is the direct opposite from fleeing. Take the next verse - "Stand against the fiery darts of Satan". Does this sound like we will be raptured out of here when times get truly rough? Do fly away wimps stand firm to the end with the armor of Gods love, truth, power, righteousness and wisdom firmly strapped to every part of their being and body? No. Fly away wimps think they are too good for this world and are holier than thou narcissists who think to stay in the field and help as many people as you can in trying times is too good for them. Check the bible, really study it, and be careful who you listen too including myself. "For many false prophets/preachers have come and are in the world." Who is right? Gods word is right. And God has little tolerance for poor me babies or fly away wimps. Go ahead, Make satans day. Fly away right into his arms when he comes at the 6th trump claiming to be Christ. Talk about deceived. Our Job as Christians is to allow the holy spirit to witness against the false Christ when we are delivered up before the synagogue of satan, not fly away and hide behind God as he does all the work, cause that is not going to happen. Don't be deceived by satan.
I enjoy your post ChristWarrior. Yes there is no Rapture in God's Words...Did you know Ezekiel 13:20 is the verse that usually goes to the top of website. I'm sure sooner or later, Denver will put that verse back up.
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And yes, there are numerous places in the bible that disproves it. John 16:33 combined with Matthew 24:29-30 / Mark 13:24-26 can disprove RaptureII Thessalonians 2 itself can disprove RaptureI Corinthians 15:50-54 with Revelation 11:15 and I Thessalonians 4:16-17 (with proper context) can disprove Rapture.
 

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QUOTE (Jordan @ Feb 17 2009, 08:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69323
I enjoy your post ChristWarrior. Yes there is no Rapture in God's Words...Did you know Ezekiel 13:20 is the verse that usually goes to the top of website. I'm sure sooner or later, Denver will put that verse back up.
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And yes, there are numerous places in the bible that disproves it. John 16:33 combined with Matthew 24:29-30 / Mark 13:24-26 can disprove RaptureII Thessalonians 2 itself can disprove RaptureI Corinthians 15:50-54 with Revelation 11:15 and I Thessalonians 4:16-17 (with proper context) can disprove Rapture.
It is truly a wonder how so many people allow themselves to be deceived so badly. They don't study Gods word! When the fallen angels and the abomination of desolation appear shortly, so many people are going to be following the filthiest evilest thing in the universe... the ultimate deception... I suppose when you look around you in today's society however, is it any wonder? Everything has been falling apart for a while and the **** is really starting to hit the fan fast... All anyone cares about is money and we are so out of it that we let fakes and scammers in our government shine the shoes of oligarchical corporations that are giving 1 trillion to the evil people that put us in this current situation in the first place to cause everything to fall apart to make way for the beast one world system.. All I have to say is 2 Timothy.... 2 timothy..2 Timothy, chapter 3KJV 1: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,4: Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;5: Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.6: For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,7: Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.8: Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.9: But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.10: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long suffering, charity, patience,11: Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.12: Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.14: But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;15: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. NIV2 Timothy 3 (New International Version)2 Timothy 3Godlessness in the Last Days 1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. 6They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.Paul's Charge to Timothy 10You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 

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There are many topics on this forum that have covered this topic and there is no need in bringing it up again.
 

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I like that the Rapture/no rapture posts are the ones that get the most interest from everyone.
 

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QUOTE (Nivleos @ Feb 21 2009, 04:45 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69633
I like that the Rapture/no rapture posts are the ones that get the most interest from everyone.
Sad that a topic that isnt even in scripture gets the most attention God simply says the dead will be raised first All that are alive will be changed in the twinkling of and Eye and meet him when he comes at the 7th and last trump .... All else on this is lies of men. There is no secret coming no flying away anywhere men are such fools they will believe anything but the Words of their God it tells us how close the End is and we wonder why God says ... Amos 8:10And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day. Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: 12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
 

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We are living in that final generation and it is time to watch and apply the news events of current times to Bible prophecy. Failure to do so, Jesus warned us, will cause us to be deceived in the latter days. It is then that the Antichrist (Satan) will come upon this earth to deceive the world, as he presents himself as the true messiah.How do we know the Antichrist from the true messiah? I Corinthians 15:50-58 tells us we will not see Jesus, or His Kingdom in our flesh bodies. Paul shows us a mystery where we will all be changed, at a particular moment, as quick as you can wink your eye. That time of Christ's coming will be following Satan's time on earth, when he and his fallen angels will deceive the whole world, except the elect of God. The elect are those people living on earth with their names written in the Lamb's (Jesus') Book of Life.It is important to use Daniel and the prophets as guideposts to the coming first of the Antichrist, and then five (5) months later, the coming of Jesus, the true messiah. When you follow man's traditions, such as the "rapture doctrine" and other church world compromises, you will be led into Satan's camp. Mark and Matthew lead you to Dan. to help explain these events Mat 24:15 Mark 13:14 Daniel was shown who the little horn was, and how he will come. The little horn is Satan, and he will appear on earth in an appearance that you will expect to be the coming of the true messiah. That will be in peace and prosperity for all who will follow him.How do we know we are this generation because God has told us in the Parable of the Fig Tree the olny Parable we are told to learn this started the End Time Clock and opened the the book that was sealed by God in Daniel Dan 12:9 that occured May 15, 1948, when the world, through the United Nations, recognized the tiny nation of Israel as a state.the clock started ticking . God promises us in the parable that Christ will return before this Generation of 1948 all die that was 60 years ago so our Time grows short. This is an general out line of what Rev. lays out thats happening on earth. (Revelation also lays out whats happening in heaven thus we switch back and forth from earth to heaven in the chapter)1. The first thing we see is a beast this beast is a one World Government set up by men we see this today as the New World Order it will almost suceed but it will 2. Suffer a deadly Wound to one of its Heads (A leaders of a Nation or a lead nation itself )3.Antichrist (Satan) heals this deadly Wound thus .Daniel 11:21 "And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceable, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries." This is not a system, but a person. When the Antichrist (Satan) comes, there will be no war. He will come as a man of peace and prosperity. The battle Satan will fight is one of deception. This is why we are warned in the sixth chapter of Ephesians to "be strong in the Lord and int he power of His might". (See verse 10.) Verses 11-16 then tell us what armor we must put on to face the battle Satan has for us. This armor is to protect our minds from the deceptions of the Antichrist. It is with this "vile person" that we will be in a spiritual battle with; and it will be fought with words, ideas, and concepts.Daniel 11:24 "He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: year, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time." How can this be? Because he enters as the Christ. He will work many wonderful works, and show signs to fool all people who are not aware of who he is. His powers will be great, and his deeds will bring prosperity to the entire world. However, the "elect" of God see right through him. The prosperity will be very short-lived, exactly as the prosperity Belteshazzar offered to Daniel, the night of the "handwriting on the wall". It will be a false sense of security.Satan's devices cannot and will not harm you when you know what to expect from him. God will send his angels to protect you who have his seal in your minds.This battle is with spiritual principalities, Satan's angelic hosts.This "vile person" (Satan) will attack every fragment of your life, home, school, and work. He will even rule your church. He will seem so right, yet be so wrong.4.Antichrist will make a covenant with Many for one week but in the middle of the week he will break it. Daniel 9:27 we are told Satan will " . . . confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, . . . ". I Corinthians 5:7 says that " . . . Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:". That "daily sacrifices" are what we call "Holy Communion". It is the holy communion that will be done away with, because all people except the "elect" of Christ will believe Satan is Christ. They are looking for the first Christ and he will be the first, and claim himself to be so.What is this "flood" that will flood the world, for that flood will overflow them. God made a promise to Noah that there would never be another flood, and the rainbow is the sign of that promise. This flood is a flood of Satan's lies.We see in Revelation 12:9 that Satan's lies will deceive the whole world.Daniel 11:32 "And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries; but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits." Do you know the instructions Jesus and the prophets gave to warn us of the Antichrist? Do you know that almost all of the people living will see the Antichrist before our Lord's return? If this is sealed in your mind, you won't fall or be deceived.5. In the Middle of the week the covenaut will be broken The Ambomination of Desolation Occurs This is Satan standing where he ought not ...that is in the Holy of Holies on the Temple Mt. in Jerusalem (Gods Holiest Place on earth) and Satan will declare himself to be God This is when the peaceful vile man shows his real colors to the Christians who have the seal of God in their forhead. Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."Satan will snap his fingers and lightning will come down from heaven. Satan will bring miracles, and supernatural wonders with him, and these wonders are given by God to perform the test the people of the world.Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."This is the whole object for the great tribulation. "DECEPTION"! Satan is going to make an image of this "one world system" [religious beast] and breath life into system. Their will be something symbolic created within the system that will cause the whole world to bow. This reminds me of the "image" created in Babylon's "one world government" under king Nebuchadnezzar, in Daniel 3. At that time there were only three that would not bow to the image. 6. The Elect will be put on trial Mark 13 tells us of these events The exploits are given in Mark 13:9. It is when you are delivered up to Satan's councils to give account why you will not worship Satan. Though they try to force you, they cannot harm you. Mark 9:10-11 tells you how you are to respond. It will be as told in Joel 2:28 and Acts 2.7. Antichrist (Satan) kills the two Wittnesses and the whole World parties as the dead Bodies lie in the streets for all to see for 3 days the World rejoices over these two trouble makers death Revelation 11:3 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."This chapter focus's on the last three and an half days which brings about the last days before our Lord Jesus Christ's return. The church of God is still here on earth during this period of time. However, the witnesses will be witnessing for the entire thousand two hundred and threescore days during this final period. God is placing these two witnesses on earth for the sole purpose of witnessing for Him. They will warn all of mankind, and the "sackcloth" indicates that this warning of their sins is to be their only mission. Revelation 11:7 "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit [abyss] shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."The two witnesses' purpose for being on the earth at this time, was to be a testimony against Satan, the Antichrist. By doing this, they are also a witness to God's elect, of His Word. When this testimony is over, Satan the Antichrist will rise up and kill both of them. Satan is the "beast out of the bottomless pit". We read this in Revelation 9:1. When Satan kills the two witnesses, he will have taken all the conflict that he can stand by these two witness, and go against God's order to "touch not those who have the seal of God in their foreheads." Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sod'-om and E'-gypt, where also our Lord was crucified."The two witnesses' bodies will lie in the "street", which in the Greek text reads "plateia", or "broad place", which, more then likely is a stadium or a large hall in Jerusalem. It is then that the entire world will celebrate. This also will set off a chain of events, and many of the prophecies throughout the Bible will occur in the next three and one half days.In the mind of the Antichrist [Satan], he has put down the only thing that hindered his claim to deity. Satan's throne is in the temple of God in Jerusalem, and from there, he thinks and will rule his world empire. While the witnesses were alive, their powers made not only the Antichrist's life, but the lives of the whole world just plain miserable. Even many Christians will think that these witnesses were evil, because of what these witnesses said about the Antichrist, whom their traditions have taught them to think and worship as the true Christ. These two witnesses were also the ones who made these Christian's lives physically and mentally pushed to the limit. All, that is, except God's "elect". This three and one half days [84 hours] period is going to be a short lived victory celebration for them.The key to understand that the location of this happening is in Jerusalem, is in the term, "Where also our Lord was crucified." Jerusalem was referred to as "Sodom and Egypt" in Isaiah 1:9-10, and Ezekiel 16:46, as well as many other passages. The Holy Spirit of God, thus points to Jerusalem as the only place possible, to make that location completely clear. When these two people are slaughtered in Jerusalem by the one that the world thinks to be God, and the people of the whole earth start their many day celebration because of that murder, know that the time of the murder started the last 84 hours, [three and a half days] before the sounding of the seventh trumpet, and our Lord's return.[/size]8.After three and half Days the World will see these two wittness come alive Revelation 11:9 "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in gravesRevelation 11:11 "And after three days and an half the spirit [breath] of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them."After the three and a half days, this is what happens in Jerusalem. God will send those spiritual souls back to enter into the two rotting flesh bodies, and these two witness will stand to their feet. And as the two witnesses stood to their feet, this "paralyzing fear ["epipipto" in the Greek]" will grip the entire world, especially the Christians who have worshipped the Antichrist.All ministers who have taught, "Jesus loves you in your sinful state, you don't need to know the Old Testament, for its past now. Jesus loves the Sodomites also, He's not a God of hate." And the biggest "hog wash" of all is their comments, "We are going to fly away in the rapture, so we will be out of here when Revelation come to pass". Friend, those ministers will know instantly they have been following the wrong Christ. Unfortunately they were not taught in their seminaries there are two Christ's coming, and the fake Christ comes first. [size="3]This will be a Shining moment for all of God's "Elect", who stood against the Antichrist, and observed as the events of the seals and trumpets took place. Each of those events marked the proof that God keeps His word, and his plan is right on time. These are the Overcomers that will reign and rule with Christ in the MillieimRevelation 11:12 "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them."This is the "rapture" those that followed Satan as the Antichrist are going to miss. The rising of the two saints. At this same instant Christ will be coming here to earth. Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."All this will happen in a five month period of time exactly as written in Rev 9:5 and Rev. 9:10 God has shortened this time for his Elect 9. This is the 7th Trump God Wrath not a wrath on his Elect and the overcomers a Wrath on Antichrist (Satan) and his coherts and followers all those Rapture believers who were never taught Antichrist comes first they chose to believe a lie of men that their Father never said ..... They hearts waxed cold that they believed a lie ... It is now they will pray for the rocks to fall on their heads for shame ... It is now that all will be changed into their incoruptables bodies meet Christ at his coming while he makes short work of Satan and his followers 10. Christ sets up his Millenial Rule as King of Kings Lord of Lords and all those that overcame and did not follow the fake christ will reign and Rule with Christ You are the first resurrected This certainly not all the details only a rough outline to guide those with eyes to see and ears to hear that have the seal God and his Words in their Mind of the happings on earth I have not included the happings in heaven a reading of Rev.9 and 12 will help you understand what happening in heaven. Just before Satan comes here as Antichrist
 

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6 points that prove post trib rapture (scripture included)#1 Matt 24:29-31 and mark 13:24-27 say that the 2nd coming is after the tribulation and that there is a gathering of the elect at that time.Matthew 24:29-3129 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other.Mark 13:24-2724 But in those days, after this tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light.25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.26 And they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.27 And then he shall send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.#2 1st Thess 4:15-17 and 1st cor 15:20-23 say that the resurrection of the just/rapture is at the 2nd coming.1st Thessalonians 4:15-1715 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.16 For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trump of God: and the dead will rise first:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall ever be with the Lord.1st Corinthians 15:20-2320 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.22 For as in Adam all die, in Christ shall all be made alive.23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they they are Christ at his coming.#3 1st Cor 15:51-53 says that the rapture is at the last trump but matt 24:29-31 says that there is a trump sounded after the tribulation, the rapture can not be b4 this trump therefore can not be until after the trib is over.1st Corinthians 15:51-5351 Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.#4 Luke 17:26-30 says that the same day we are taken out is the same day Jesus returns to destroy the wicked (which he does at the end of the trib not the start) this is confirmed in 2nd thess 1:6-10.Luke 17:26-3026 And as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, and they were given into marriage, until Noah entered into the ark then the flood came and destroyed them all.28 Likewise also as it was in the day of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;29 But THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone down from heaven and destroyed them all.30 Even thus shall it be in the day the Son of man shall be revealed.2nd Thessalonians 1:6-106 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation on them that trouble you;7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that no not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe ( because our testimony among you was believed ) in that day.#5 John 6:39,40,44,and 54 all say Jesus said that he would raise us up at the last day (not 7yrs b4 ).John 6:39, 40, 44 , and 5439 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should loose nothing, but raise it up at the last day.40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.54 Whosoever eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.#6 Rev 20 :4-6 says that the 1st resurrection is after the trib we know this because it includes tribulational martyrs as well as others that refuse to worship the beast or take his mark during the trib.There can be no resurrection of dead saints at a pretrib rapture b4 the 1st resurrection.Revelation 20:4-64 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands,; and they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousands years were finished. This is the first resurrection.6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.Therefore the pretrib rapture as well as the mid trib is biblicaly impossible.