The 'Jewish argument' is brought up ever and anon only to derail Scriptural and New Testament Christian analysis of the 'Sabbath-issue' which nowhere in all of Scripture is even an 'issue'.
Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?
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The 'Jewish argument' is brought up ever and anon only to derail Scriptural and New Testament Christian analysis of the 'Sabbath-issue' which nowhere in all of Scripture is even an 'issue'.
PURE COG legalist propaganda. They think the more sweeping and arrogant their claims the more convincing they must be. But meanwhile they - thank God - are only the more repulsive.
No, you do not pay attention to anything! SHOW the <<other gospel writer [who] points out that they bought spices before the Sabbath>>, and I SHOW you the only Gospel writer who points out that the THREE women "bought spices AFTER the Sabbath was over". And I must not call you a liar?!
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Scripture states that Baptism shows our death & burial, while coming out of the water and the walking in newness of life (not sinning; 1 John 3:4) is in honour of the resurrection in Christ Jesus.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Thus we are to keep God's commandments, not transgress them by substituting 'vain traditions' of men for God's commandments.
No text of scripture states what you state. Here is the timeline, irrefutable by scripture:
[the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God]
Jesus at Lazarus' house in Bethany [Mt. Olivet] – [John 12:1]
[the first [day] of the week]
Jesus Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem, "the next day" from leaving Lazarus' house, Hosanna! - [John 12:12,13; Matthew 21:10; Mark 11:11], goes to the Temple, and after looking around, leaves, since it was close to evening back out unto Mt. Olivet.
[the second [day] of the week]
Jesus comes back, curses the fig tree, goes to the Temple, and cleanses the Temple for the Second [last] time of the Money Changers - [Matthew 21:12,13,17; Mark 11:12,15,16,17,19], and Jesus goes back out.
[the third [day] of the week]
Jesus comes back, the Fig tree is withered up from the roots, goes to the Temple, and has the final teachings to the Pharisees, etc - [Matthew 21:18,23; Mark 11:20,27].
This was the "two days" before the "Passover" - [Matthew 26:1-2; Mark 14:1; Luke 21:37-38, 22:1].
Jesus tells the Jewish nation, that their house is forever left desolate, no more fruit again - [Matthew 23:37-39; Luke 13:32-35].
Jesus said, that He still had to do "cures" and "cast out devils" "to day, tomorrow and the third day" and be done - [Luke 13:32,33]
Jesus had been "daily" in the Temple - [Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20]
The "to day" [Luke 13:32]
[the fourth [day] of the week]
The "tomorrow" [Luke 13:32,33]
[the fifth [day] of the week]
The "Third Day" [Luke 13:32,33], being done.
[the sixth [day] of the week; preparation]
Gather twice as much, Christ Jesus the anti-typical Manna, Exodus 16:25,26
The "spices" "had been" [Mark 16:1] purchased sometime after the Crucifixion and before burial so that they could "prepare" [Luke 23:56] them to bring on the "first [day] of the week" [Luke 24:1], even as we see Joseph of Arimathaea doing for the linen - [Mark 14:46]
1st Evening Part - [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]
1st Morning [Light] Part - [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1]
Abib/Nisan 14th; Christ Jesus our Passover is Sacrificed for us - [1 Corinthians 5:7],
[the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God]
Jesus remained in the Tomb all Sabbath - anti-type Manna - Exodus 16:29,30
The Disciples were keeping the Sabbath according to the Commandment - [Exodus 20:8-11; Luke 23:54,56]
2nd Evening and 2nd Morning Parts - [Matthew 27:58-66, 28:1; Mark 15:42-47; Luke 23:52-53,54; John 19:38-42]
Abib/Nisan 15th - Seasonal Feast Sabbath [First Day of Unleavened Bread, without corruption] - [Leviticus 23:5-8]
[the first [day] of the week]
Christ Jesus, preserved and Risen - Anti-type Manna - Exodus 16:32-34
3rd Evening and 3rd Morning Parts, Christ Risen and shown alive - [Matthew 28:1-10; Mark 16:2-20; Luke 24:1-29; John 20:1-23]
Abib/Nisan 16th; Christ the Firstfruits/Wavesheaf Offering, Anti-Type Resurrection - [1 Corinthians 15:20,23].
Jesus was walking with the disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the "first [day] of the week", as the day was closing out, being "the third day since these things" were done [Luke 24:21],
[the second [day] of the week]
Jesus was still walking with the two disciples on the Road to Emmaus as the first [day] of the week was closing, and it becomes Evening - [Luke 24:29,35, etc]
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Some attempt to utilize Matthew 26:2, incorrectly, but notice that they say "after two days" points to (Wednesday, Thursday), and so land upon 'Thursday' [5th [day] of the week] in completion for the Crucifixion/Passover, but this cannot be, due to the very time table and language of the text itself.
The text does not say "within two days", but rather it states "after" two days, which would place the event, not on 'Thursday', but rather on 'Friday', the 'Third day", which comes "after" two days. Notice the Bible:
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Hosea 6:2
We can see similar use, in John 4:40,43. The "two days" does not include the day "after" them which we see given in Luke 13:32,33.
So when, Jesus said, on that 'Tuesday' [3rd [day] of the week], that "after" "two days", it would bring us to the 'third day', being 'Friday' [the sixth [day] of the week], in perfect accordance with all typological and prophetic statements gone over.
Therefore, according to Scripture, itself, "after two days" [the "two days" being 'Wednesday', 'Thursday', the "fourth and fifth [days] of the week]], speaks to the "third day" ['Friday', the sixth [day] of the week]], not to the second of the two days.
We can know when Jesus said this saying of "after two days", because He stated it in Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1, which was on the third [day] of the week, 'Tuesday' [see previous time table] , for He had just finished speaking to the Pharisees, and had gone out from the Temple, leaving their house "desolate", to the Mount of Olives, as we see foreshadowed in Ezekiel:
And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city. Ezekiel 11:23
The incorrect pattern of some [Wednesday/Thursday Crucifixion] does not incorporate all the typological elements, namely the Manna in Exodus 16, nor of the 3 days and 3 nights, and therefore, cannot be correct on those grounds, and others.
Error cannot ever sanctify, and so we plead please, that they give up this incorrect apriori that they are holding onto which leads them to such an time-table that does not incorporate all the elements, and that Jesus, in their scenario, had to arise on Sabbath, for this is not possible, especially in that point, for in His resurrection, Jesus went to work, for there was much more for Him to fulfill, even as it is written in Daniel; Hebrews; Revelation, etc.
God/'Jesus' was "finished" after the 6th Day of Creation and rested the 7th Day:
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. - Genesis 1:31
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. - Genesis 2:1
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. - Genesis 2:2
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. - Genesis 2:3
Turning to the New Testament Gospels, we find Jesus "finished" with the courtyard ministry on earth, in the same time, the 6th Day, entering into His rest the 7th Day:
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. - John 19:30
Creation [Exodus 20:8-11] & Redemption [Deuteronomy 5:12-15] meet, forever sealed, the Holy 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, the sign of His rest from His work, and so much more [soon to be gone into, and what it means for the Everlasting Gospel itself].
Extra consideration, is also to be had about the following text, "the Spices", when were they purchased?:
“And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1
For those which advocate a middle of the week [Wednesday, or Thursday], or elsewhere Crucifixion for Jesus, utilize this text along with the phrases “three days and three nights” [Jonah 1:17; Matthew 12:40] and “in the heart of the earth” [Matthew 12:40] in isolation, attempting to prove that Jesus needed to be in the grave for 72 hours [12 full hours for each day and night], some having Jesus raised the Seventh Day Sabbath, others on Sunday, others raised elsewhere, depending on their various respective views.
For these advocates of such eisigeted theologies/explanations, ask the question, how could those women, “ Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome”, all “had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him” since they were not allowed to do so during “seasonal” feast “sabbath” hours, nor during the 7th Day Sabbath hours?
Generally, the question is begged with the apriori position that they could have had no time from the time Jesus was crucified and burial to do so.
However, let us see what we will of the Scriptures first in all four Gospel accounts together [beginning with the “Truly this was the Son of God” statement/event and continuing from there], before addressing this:
“Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.” Matthew 27:54
“And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.” Mark 15:39
“Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.” Luke 23:47
“And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned.” Luke 23:48
“And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:” Matthew 27:55
“There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;” Mark 15:40
“And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.” Luke 23:49
“Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.” Matthew 27:56
“(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him: ) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.” Mark 15:41
“When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:” Matthew 27:57
“And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,” Mark 15:42
“And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:” Luke 23:50
“(The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them; ) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.” Luke 23:51
“He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.” Matthew 27:58
“Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.” Mark 15:43
“And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.” Mark 15:44
“And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.” Mark 15:45
“This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.” Luke 23:52
“And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.” John 19:38
“And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,” Matthew 27:59
“And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.” Mark 15:46
“And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.” Luke 23:53
“And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight].” John 19:39
“Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.” John 19:40
“And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.” Luke 23:54
“Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.” John 19:41
“There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.” John 19:42
“And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.” Matthew 27:60
“And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.” Matthew 27:61
“And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.” Mark 15:47
“And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.” Luke 23:55
“And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56
“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” Matthew 28:1
“And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.” Matthew 28:2
“And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1
“And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.” Mark 16:2
“And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?” Mark 16:3
“And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.” Mark 16:4
“Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.” Luke 24:1
“And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.” Luke 24:2
“The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” John 20:1
“And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.” Mark 15:39
“Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.” Luke 23:47
“And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned.” Luke 23:48
“And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:” Matthew 27:55
“There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;” Mark 15:40
“And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.” Luke 23:49
“Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.” Matthew 27:56
“(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him: ) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.” Mark 15:41
“When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:” Matthew 27:57
“And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,” Mark 15:42
“And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:” Luke 23:50
“(The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them; ) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.” Luke 23:51
“He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.” Matthew 27:58
“Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.” Mark 15:43
“And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.” Mark 15:44
“And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.” Mark 15:45
“This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.” Luke 23:52
“And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.” John 19:38
“And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,” Matthew 27:59
“And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.” Mark 15:46
“And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.” Luke 23:53
“And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight].” John 19:39
“Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.” John 19:40
“And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.” Luke 23:54
“Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.” John 19:41
“There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.” John 19:42
“And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.” Matthew 27:60
“And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.” Matthew 27:61
“And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.” Mark 15:47
“And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.” Luke 23:55
“And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56
“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” Matthew 28:1
“And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.” Matthew 28:2
“And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1
“And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.” Mark 16:2
“And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?” Mark 16:3
“And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.” Mark 16:4
“Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.” Luke 24:1
“And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.” Luke 24:2
“The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” John 20:1
Without resorting to various theories as held by others, what does the text plainly give to us?
We read that on the very same day that Jesus was Crucified, being the Passover, the 14th of Aviv/Nisan, the sixth day of the week,
[1] Jesus died “about the ninth hour” [approximately 3 PM], according to the Scripture [Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:33-34; Luke 23:44], in fulfillment of Prophecy and Typology, He being the “Lamb of God”, even the “Passover” Lamb, prepared for the “evening sacrifice” (and as an additional note, see also the importance of the "morning" sacrifice, and when Jesus was Hung upon the Cross and for how long He was therefore).
[2] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day after Jesus' death to approach and ask of Pilate for the Body of Jesus [Matthew 27:57-58; Mark 15:42-43; Luke 23:50-52; John 19:38].
[3] Pontius Pilate had time on that same day after Jesus' death to summon the guard, and inquire about Jesus' death [Mark 15:44-45].
[4] Joseph of Arimathaea on that same day had time to come back from asking Pilate, and the inquisition made by Pilate to the Soldier, to the Cross, and take down the body of Jesus to be carried away [John 19:38].
[5] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day, after Jesus' death and after asking Pontius Pilate for the body of Jesus, and the inquisition made of Pilate to the guard, and taking Jesus down and way, to then purchase afterward [“And bought”] “fine linen” to wrap Jesus' body in [Mark 15:46].
[6] Nicodemus had time on that same day to bring [“brought”] “a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight]” [John 19:39] along with Joseph of Arimathaea to then “wound it in linen clothes with the spices” and embalm the body of Jesus with [Matthew 27:59; Mark 15:46; Luke 23:53; John 19:40].
[7] According to the texts, there was still time before the Sabbath, according to the commandment [Luke 23:56] had come, as the Scriptures reveal that it was still “the preparation day”, though the “sabbath drew on” [or was nearing] [Luke 23:54].
[8] They all had time on that same day, even after all these events to go to the tomb with Jesus and lay Him in the tomb, and seal it [Matthew 27:60-61; Mark 15:47; Luke 23:55; John 19:41-42].
[9] Even after the women saw how Jesus was laid in the tomb, and the tomb then sealed, they still had sufficient time before the sabbath was upon them to “return” from the tomb to their homes.
[10] Once the women had “returned” to their homes [some Jerusalem, others possibly Olivet] they still had enough time, because the Scriptures recorded that they then “prepared spices and ointments” [Luke 23:56] before the Sabbath, in which they then when it had come, finally, “rested according to the commandment.” [Luke 23:56] and later came after the sabbath was past, even early in the morning of the first day of the week, even "bringing the spices which they had prepared" (Luke 24:1) the day of Christ's Crucifixion, wherein then it is obvious that they "had bought" them that day, the sixth day of the week, before the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, according to the Commandment actually commenced, which was about 3 hours.
[2] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day after Jesus' death to approach and ask of Pilate for the Body of Jesus [Matthew 27:57-58; Mark 15:42-43; Luke 23:50-52; John 19:38].
[3] Pontius Pilate had time on that same day after Jesus' death to summon the guard, and inquire about Jesus' death [Mark 15:44-45].
[4] Joseph of Arimathaea on that same day had time to come back from asking Pilate, and the inquisition made by Pilate to the Soldier, to the Cross, and take down the body of Jesus to be carried away [John 19:38].
[5] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day, after Jesus' death and after asking Pontius Pilate for the body of Jesus, and the inquisition made of Pilate to the guard, and taking Jesus down and way, to then purchase afterward [“And bought”] “fine linen” to wrap Jesus' body in [Mark 15:46].
[6] Nicodemus had time on that same day to bring [“brought”] “a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight]” [John 19:39] along with Joseph of Arimathaea to then “wound it in linen clothes with the spices” and embalm the body of Jesus with [Matthew 27:59; Mark 15:46; Luke 23:53; John 19:40].
[7] According to the texts, there was still time before the Sabbath, according to the commandment [Luke 23:56] had come, as the Scriptures reveal that it was still “the preparation day”, though the “sabbath drew on” [or was nearing] [Luke 23:54].
[8] They all had time on that same day, even after all these events to go to the tomb with Jesus and lay Him in the tomb, and seal it [Matthew 27:60-61; Mark 15:47; Luke 23:55; John 19:41-42].
[9] Even after the women saw how Jesus was laid in the tomb, and the tomb then sealed, they still had sufficient time before the sabbath was upon them to “return” from the tomb to their homes.
[10] Once the women had “returned” to their homes [some Jerusalem, others possibly Olivet] they still had enough time, because the Scriptures recorded that they then “prepared spices and ointments” [Luke 23:56] before the Sabbath, in which they then when it had come, finally, “rested according to the commandment.” [Luke 23:56] and later came after the sabbath was past, even early in the morning of the first day of the week, even "bringing the spices which they had prepared" (Luke 24:1) the day of Christ's Crucifixion, wherein then it is obvious that they "had bought" them that day, the sixth day of the week, before the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, according to the Commandment actually commenced, which was about 3 hours.
Let us now, come back to the main text at issue:
And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Mark 16:1
Much is made of the “had bought”, and the timing thereof in this text, only because it is isolated from the other texts of the four Gospels.
This text (Mark 16:1) does not indicate that a seasonal feast sabbath had come, and then a normal day existed inbetween for them to make purchase, which was then followed by the 7th Day Sabbath, as many incorrectly subscribe to, for it has been shown Prophetically and Typologically (Jonah, Manna, and more still to come in the Levitical Calender, etc) that that would be impossible (and will be yet further still, in total). Let us then look at the words:
"had bought" [already having had purchased, sometime in the past] -
Tense: Aorist
Voice: Active
Mood: Indicative
Person: third
Number: Plural
Voice: Active
Mood: Indicative
Person: third
Number: Plural
“The Aorist tense conveys the truth that ... (indicative mood is mood of reality) has occurred at a point in the past without specifying when this event occurred. … One writer adds "strictly speaking, the aorist denotes past time only in the indicative ... (Learning the Basics of New Testament Greek. AMG Publishers)" - Greek Quick Reference Guide
This is s a past tense action, and the Greek aorist [tense] indicative [mood] reveals that it was an event [the purchasing] already past and done, some time before these events, without the text determining the exact moment of purchase in the past, but we can know by the other texts, and the women's own faithfulness that it had to be sometime before the Sabbath mentioned in this text and others. When we combine all of those previous points [1-10], we can know that the women had plenty of time to make the purchase of those spices several hours before Sabbath had come, while the men [Joseph and Nicodemus] were doing the things recorded, even purchasing “linen”, etc. We can know that the women already had the spices before Jesus was laid in the tomb, and thus we can conclusively determine that they “had bought” those spices sometime before then.
Not content with this, others attempt to wrest the passage from the context order, but please notice the connections of “and” in successive time keeping:
And when he knew [it] of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. - Mark 15:45
And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. - Mark 15:46
Mark 15:46 is preceeded by Mark 15:45, which gives us succession of events in their order, and vs 46 begins with "kai" [And], connecting the two.
Therefore, Joseph was given the body, he bought fine linen, and then took the body down, and then wrapped Jesus in that just purchased Linen, etc. Plenty of time in the day to do so, since Jesus had died at approx 3PM, and there was several hours left before sunset and the 7th Day Sabbath was to begin.
The word in Greek in Matthew 15:46, αγορασαςG59 V-AAP-NSM
Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes:
Tense: Aorist
Voice: Active
Mood: Participle [a verbal adjective]
Case: Nominative
Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine
It is translated as "buy (28x), redeem (3x)", thus 31 times, in the King James Bible:
bought, 13
Mat 13:46, Mat 21:12, Mat 27:7, Mar 11:15, Mar 15:46, Mar 16:1, Luk 14:18-19 (2), Luk 17:28, Luk 19:45, 1Co 6:20, 1Co 7:23, 2Pe 2:1
buy, 13
Mat 14:15, Mat 25:9-10 (2), Mar 6:36-37 (2), Luk 9:13, Luk 22:36, Joh 4:8, Joh 6:5, Joh 13:29, 1Co 7:30, Rev 3:18, Rev 13:17
redeemed, 3
Rev 5:9, Rev 14:3-4 (2)
buyeth, 2
Mat 13:44, Rev 18:11
In every instance it means to purchase.
I will also recommend upon this issue, a webpage with several helpful charts -
A helpful breakdown, Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday? - Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?
Helpful Chart - http://biblelight.net/Passover chart.htm
We find the women preparing those spices upon the same day Jesus was crucified (Luke 23:56), and then coming with them “prepared” on Resurrection morning (Luke 24:1), which means that they "had been" purchased the day of the crucifixion and before sundown.
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You are supposing and referring, of course and inevitably, to <they>-- to the women, the "many" woman who <<were there for this gruesome ordeal>> -- WHICH <this gruesome ordeal>? <THIS gruesome ordeal>> of Jesus' crucifixion and his suffering of dying death! How or what else? Of course not any other ordeal while the actual ordeal was Jesus' suffering dying death on the cross!
Now, sir, Which women <<were there for this gruesome ordeal>>?
These women, sir, the women <explicitly> and by no means implicitly PRESENT AT <this ordeal>--- which women ARE MENTIONED AS SUCH, In Mark in chapter 15 verses 40 and 41; and in Matthew in chapter 27 in verses 55 and 56; and in Luke in chapter 23 in verses 48 and 49.
Now sir, with all due respect, sir, wake up! <<this gruesome ordeal>> these women were present at, was Jesus' crucifixion and suffering and DYING, and THAT WAS IT!
But you, sir, and your generations old works-righteous cult with all its founders and co-founders and re-founders and reformer-newbies, swear, by the Holy Name of God, number one, That <<this gruesome ordeal>> was the BURIAL of Jesus' body; and number two, That the <<WOMEN who were there for this gruesome ordeal>> of the burial, were those mentioned in Mark in chapter 15 verses 40 and 41; and in Matthew in chapter 27 in verses 55 and 56; and in Luke in chapter 23 in verses 48 and 49 for the BURIAL, ON THE NEXT "LATE-AFTERNOON" of the NEXT "day while That Day was The Preparation and the Sabbath was nearing", -- NOT THE TWO ONLY MARYS <explicitly> and by no means implicitly MENTIONED AND PRESENT AT THE BURIAL--- the TWO women MENTIONED AS SUCH, in Mark in chapter 15 verse 47; and in Matthew in chapter 27 in verse 57; and in Luke in chapter 23 in verses 55 and 56.
Re: <<what does the text plainly give to us?>> WHICH YOU PLAINLY AND DELIBERATELY, KNOWINGLY AND COWARDLY AND DECEIVINGLY LEAVE OUT AND IGNORE AND COVER UP UNNOTICEABLE in between Mark 15:41 Matthew 27:56 Luke 23:53 and John 19:30 and 31 and 38, and Mark 15:42 on, Matthew 27:57 on, Luke 23:54 on and John 19:30 and 38 on, THIS: "When EVENING already had come...."! This, here, your, FRAUD! And all this here your spinning in above post of yours, came to NOUGHT!
<<time on that same day after Jesus' death>> ambiguity veiled as unambiguity...
<<time on that same day after Jesus' death>> on 14 Abib,
or
<<time on that same day after Jesus' death>> "and evening having had come already and it was The Preparation" Abib 15 "having begun"?
You know perfectly well! don't pretend!
TRUE! Praise God, you are telling the truth! Let those LIARS hear who say the two Marys bought spices, who refuse to SEE Mark 16:1 happened "after the Sabbath had passed" and the THREE women bought spices, who refuse to admit Luke 23:56 happend before the Sabbath before "the women began to observe the Sabbath according to the Commandment" after it had become the Sabbath after sunset after "That Day The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath ... great day of sabbath" of the passover the Sixth Day of the week.
Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn Just now ·
So long as I have Scripture on my side I will dare and defy you to do anything against me. Spurgeon
So long as I have Scripture on my side I will dare and defy you to do anything against me. Spurgeon
It, <<They had to go out and get spices to prepare>>, is your twisted addition to what is written! That the two Marys "prepared spices and ointments" presupposes and practically requires that they HAD the stuff ready for, preparing it. Hobie showed that strikingly in his post #14, Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?.
You claim that <<They had to go out and get spices to prepare>> makes no sense and is grabbed out of your vacuous own mind.
That <<They can't be referring to the same Sabbath>> is your ill-considered and falsely deduced own condition completely irrelevant to and unconnected with simple written Scripture. So instead of the simple single fact that the one -- the preparing of spices and ointments -- points out that it was before the Sabbath, and the other -- the buying of spices obviously for Salome who was not at the Burial as the two Marys were -- points out that it was after the, same, Sabbath, '
"The Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment they began to observe" as soon as it had started sunset after "That Day The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath" ('Friday') and it must have had become evening "on the Sabbath" already.
The issue isn't the hallucination <<that spices were used to bury him>>. <The issue is>, that He was buried without spices prepared by any women were being used to bury Him. Joseph and Nicodemus DURING "THAT FIRST NIGHT" of ulb did it all.
And the <issue> is neither <<when the women went to purchase spices>>. Mark 16:1 leaves no room for doubt "it was ON THE FIRST DAY of the week [kai lian proh-i tehi Miai tohn Sabbatohn] and the weekly Sabbath was past [diagenomenou tou Sabbatou]".
So you say <<There are three accounts which point out that it was after they placed him into the tomb which was at sunset>> -- that WHAT happened?? <Mark 16:1> that says that the three women <<have bought spices beforehand>>?! UNBELIEVABLE! And you still have the audacity to allege <<we have one gospel writer pointing out that fact(Mark 16:1)>>.
Please go and learn to read before giving yourself out for a lettered Bible student. God help us
You of all people telling Hobie of all people,
<<No one is denying when he was placed into the tomb which was just before sunset on the day of preparation before the Sabbath.>>
EXACTLY! No one is denying!
But what the point is which YOU are never going to make, is not that <<no one is denying when he was placed into the tomb which was just before sunset on the day of preparation before the Sabbath>>. We are all agreed on this point. The point here, however, is that everybody is denying that when Jesus' body was placed into the tomb before sunset on the Day of Preparation of the Sabbath, it was the day AFTER THE DAY ON WHICH HE WAS CRUCIFIED AND HAD DIED, "The Preparation OF THE PASSOVER" John 19:14 -- the day BEFORE "At That First Night" of passover of unleavened bread and “it had become the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath” (‘Friday’), and “That Day was great-day-of-sabbath-of” the passover, “already”.
<<No one is denying when he was placed into the tomb which was just before sunset on the day of preparation before the Sabbath.>>
EXACTLY! No one is denying!
But what the point is which YOU are never going to make, is not that <<no one is denying when he was placed into the tomb which was just before sunset on the day of preparation before the Sabbath>>. We are all agreed on this point. The point here, however, is that everybody is denying that when Jesus' body was placed into the tomb before sunset on the Day of Preparation of the Sabbath, it was the day AFTER THE DAY ON WHICH HE WAS CRUCIFIED AND HAD DIED, "The Preparation OF THE PASSOVER" John 19:14 -- the day BEFORE "At That First Night" of passover of unleavened bread and “it had become the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath” (‘Friday’), and “That Day was great-day-of-sabbath-of” the passover, “already”.
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Your COG's vain claims!
Whether in the Plural or Singular Possessive Case, 'Sabbatohn' and /or 'Sabbatou' (of the Sabbath) IS SINGULAR, "the Sabbath", IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
It therefore is no Plural which <<occurs in John 20:1 as well as Acts 20:7>>. In both cases it is the specified, mentioned, single but GENERIC "First DAY-OF-THE-WEEK", "on the First DAY-of-the-WEEK". The word 'day' is present by Ellipsis, fair enough, but is even more so by its inclusive IDIOMATIC USE, the NT Greek idiomatic application of the Possessive / Genitive Hebraism, of the Greek Plural or Singular.
There is no <<plural form because of it's placement within a feast>>, or <<the Sabbaths .. because .. of those feast days>>. It's your laughable Greek wisdom and lamentable Bible ignorance.
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Pure presumption.
"The second Sabbath after the first" correctly <represents only one word in the Greek (deuteroprotos)>. It does not say 'deuteroprotos' means the impossible <<the second-first>>. It refers to the first and the second (weekly) Sabbaths which occurred after one another in the beginning of Jesus' ministry. As simple as that.
http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/Book 3, 1, 2, 3.Pentecost.pdf
http://www.biblestudents.co.za/book...dfCBS9JBjC4h3Nd7SHyrIuynedCBxQ_PFxhlVwmT_mzBA
P193
7.3.2.2.3.1.
“Second Sabbath After the First”
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Being autistic, I never get desperate. With high-end autism which I am on, the people are as level headed as anyone on the planet. What I would suggest is that your comment is for people that are desperate to seem knowledgable when they are obviously not.
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