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2 Corinthians 12:7 KJB - "thorn in the flesh"

What does this mean according to scripture?

2 Corinthians 12:7-8 [thorn in the flesh of Paul/eyesight]

The Context 2 Corinthians 12:1-21 KJB

The context of Paul's “thorn” [vs 7], was specifically said to be “in the flesh” [vs 7, Greek, “τη σαρκι”], and therefore was not an 'evil spirit', but an “infirmit[y]” [vs 5,9,10; Greek “ασθενειαις”, of body or mind] that was constantly with him, even though he had prayed to God “thrice” [vs 8] for “it”/”thing” [vs 8] to be 'removed' [vs 8; “depart”; Greek “αποστη”]. Jesus told him, that “My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.” [vs 9] The Greek word for “weakness” is “ασθενεια” and it means feebleness, weakness, disease of body or mind, and is the same root word used in vs 5,9,10 for “infirmities”. See again a mention in 2 Corinthians 11:30:

If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities. 2 Corinthians 11:30​

We see that Paul twice called it “my [mine] infirmities” [2 Corinthians 11:30, 12:9], which he says was “in the flesh” and not of spirit. The part where Paul says, “the messenger of satan”, is referring to the “infirmity of the flesh” [Galatians 4:13], which he says was “my temptation” [Galatians 4:14], through which “infirmity” the devil/satan tried to get to Paul with over this matter of the “eyes” [Galatians 4:15]. Satan always loves to attempt to cause us to doubt God in his allowing certain things to remain with us for a time. Yet, God's purpose is to demonstrate His love towards us, in that He knows what is best for our own salvation. Paul was to leave his infirmity with God, and trust Him and continue where the LORD led him.

Paul is contrasting his clear spiritual eyesight and the visions he received from Jesus, with that of his present poor physical condition, wherein he had to preach with such physical infirmity, that he may not be puffed up at receiving such blessing of God to even see Heaven [Paul, speaking of himself in the third person, the one that was caught up in visions and revelations, as was made known from his first encounter [Acts 9:3-16]].

It is when we recognize our need of Christ Jesus in all things, even though we may be granted great gifts, that we truly see. Therefore, this “thorn” “in the flesh” was “given” [vs 7, “there was given to me”] to Paul by God that he might not be exalted beyond measure, puffed up, by the great things shown unto him, done for him, etc and so trust in his own righteousness, works, flesh, etc and come to be destroyed of that which was to be a blessing. God allowed Paul's eyesight to remain in the condition it was, to keep humility in Paul, and to help him to always see his need of Jesus Christ.

The word for “thorn” in 2 Corinthians 7 is the Greek “σκολοψ”, which means thorn/brier/prickly/pointy [like a stake or pallisade], as we see again in so-called LXX's [septuaginta]:

But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell. Numbers 33:55

ἐὰν δὲ μὴ ἀπολέσητε τοὺς κατοικοῦντας ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἀπὸ προσώπου ὑμῶν, καὶ ἔσται οὓς ἐὰν καταλίπητε ἐξ αὐτῶν, σκόλοπες ἐν τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς ὑμῶν καὶ βολίδες ἐν ταῖς πλευραῖς ὑμῶν καὶ ἐχθρεύσουσιν ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, ἐφ᾿ ἣν ὑμεῖς κατοικήσετε, Numbers 33:55 LXX​

In this passage we see a clear connection with the “pricks” [thorn] of the “eyes” and “sides”, which are the exact words Paul also uses. Further, we also see:

And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them, that despised them; and they shall know that I am the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 28:24

καὶ οὐκ ἔσονται οὐκέτι τῷ οἴκῳ τοῦ Ισραηλ σκόλοψ πικρίας καὶ ἄκανθα ὀδύνης ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν περικύκλῳ αὐτῶν τῶν ἀτιμασάντων αὐτούς· καὶ γνώσονται ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι κύριος. Ezekiel 28:24 LXX​

Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths. Hosea 2:6 [LXX Hosea 2:8]

διὰ τοῦτο ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ φράσσω τὴν ὁδὸν αὐτῆς ἐν σκόλοψιν καὶ ἀνοικοδομήσω τὰς ὁδοὺς αὐτῆς, καὶ τὴν τρίβον αὐτῆς οὐ μὴ εὕρῃ· Hosea 2:8 LXX​

We, know that though Paul had been blinded by His encounter with Jesus [Acts 9:9], yet he later had his eyesight restored to where he could see [Acts 9:12,17,18], yet Paul had not clear physical eyesight, and this is witnessed in several places in the Scripture:

[1] Paul could not immediately distinguish the High Priest from the other Council Members:

And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day. Acts 23:1

And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth. Acts 23:2

Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? Acts 23:3

And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest? Acts 23:4

Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people. Acts 23:5​

[2] Paul, in writing to the Galatians, speaks of their original love to him, in that they would have plucked out their own eyes and given them to him for use if they could:

Brethren, I beseech you, be as I [am]; for I [am] as ye [are]: ye have not injured me at all. - Galatians 4:12

Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. - Galatians 4:13

And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, [even] as Christ Jesus. - Galatians 4:14

Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if [it had been] possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me. - Galatians 4:15​

Notice, how Paul uses some of the same terminology to speak of this “thorn”. He used the words “infirmity”, “of the flesh”, “in my flesh” and in this instance he clearly speaks of the “eyes” as being the source of the infirmity.

[3] Paul, though he personally wrote the letter to the Galatians [6:11], to show his great love for them, he normally used a personal scribe [amanuensis] to do so [see “I Tertius, who wrote this epistle ...” Romans 16:22] and usually just signed the letter once transcribed [see “The salutation of me Paul with mine own hand.” 1 Corinthians 16:21 and “The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.” 2 Thessalonians 3:17 and “The salutation by the hand of me Paul. Remember my bonds. Grace be with you. Amen.” Colossians 4:18 and “I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.” Philemon 1:19], even though Paul was a thoroughly learned man in letters, writing, in several languages [1 Corinthians 14:18], etc [Acts 22:3, 23:6; Philippians 3:5].
 
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Judges 2:
Then the Angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said: “I led you up from Egypt and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. 2 And you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall tear down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed My voice. Why have you done this? 3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; but they shall be thorns in your side, and their gods shall be a snare to you.’ ” 4 So it was, when the Angel of the Lord spoke these words to all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voices and wept.

Thorn in the flesh is a Jewish idiom referring to enemies (people), similar to our idiom, "my mother in law is a pain in the neck."

Paul did have poor eyesight, but that is not his messenger from Satan. Paul's messengers from Satan were his opponents of the gospel. They were his pain in the neck.

Matthew 24:9
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.

Acts of the Apostles 15:
And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.

2 Peter 3:
14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
 

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2 Corinthians 12:7 KJB - "thorn in the flesh"

What does this mean according to scripture?

2 Corinthians 12:7-8 [thorn in the flesh of Paul/eyesight]

The Context 2 Corinthians 12:1-21 KJB

The context of Paul's “thorn” [vs 7], was specifically said to be “in the flesh” [vs 7, Greek, “τη σαρκι”], and therefore was not an 'evil spirit', but an “infirmit[y]” [vs 5,9,10; Greek “ασθενειαις”, of body or mind] that was constantly with him, even though he had prayed to God “thrice” [vs 8] for “it”/”thing” [vs 8] to be 'removed' [vs 8; “depart”; Greek “αποστη”]. Jesus told him, that “My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.” [vs 9] The Greek word for “weakness” is “ασθενεια” and it means feebleness, weakness, disease of body or mind, and is the same root word used in vs 5,9,10 for “infirmities”. See again a mention in 2 Corinthians 11:30:

If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities. 2 Corinthians 11:30​

We see that Paul twice called it “my [mine] infirmities” [2 Corinthians 11:30, 12:9], which he says was “in the flesh” and not of spirit. The part where Paul says, “the messenger of satan”, is referring to the “infirmity of the flesh” [Galatians 4:13], which he says was “my temptation” [Galatians 4:14], through which “infirmity” the devil/satan tried to get to Paul with over this matter of the “eyes” [Galatians 4:15]. Satan always loves to attempt to cause us to doubt God in his allowing certain things to remain with us for a time. Yet, God's purpose is to demonstrate His love towards us, in that He knows what is best for our own salvation. Paul was to leave his infirmity with God, and trust Him and continue where the LORD led him.

Paul is contrasting his clear spiritual eyesight and the visions he received from Jesus, with that of his present poor physical condition, wherein he had to preach with such physical infirmity, that he may not be puffed up at receiving such blessing of God to even see Heaven [Paul, speaking of himself in the third person, the one that was caught up in visions and revelations, as was made known from his first encounter [Acts 9:3-16]].

It is when we recognize our need of Christ Jesus in all things, even though we may be granted great gifts, that we truly see. Therefore, this “thorn” “in the flesh” was “given” [vs 7, “there was given to me”] to Paul by God that he might not be exalted beyond measure, puffed up, by the great things shown unto him, done for him, etc and so trust in his own righteousness, works, flesh, etc and come to be destroyed of that which was to be a blessing. God allowed Paul's eyesight to remain in the condition it was, to keep humility in Paul, and to help him to always see his need of Jesus Christ.

The word for “thorn” in 2 Corinthians 7 is the Greek “σκολοψ”, which means thorn/brier/prickly/pointy [like a stake or pallisade], as we see again in so-called LXX's [septuaginta]:

But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell. Numbers 33:55

ἐὰν δὲ μὴ ἀπολέσητε τοὺς κατοικοῦντας ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἀπὸ προσώπου ὑμῶν, καὶ ἔσται οὓς ἐὰν καταλίπητε ἐξ αὐτῶν, σκόλοπες ἐν τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς ὑμῶν καὶ βολίδες ἐν ταῖς πλευραῖς ὑμῶν καὶ ἐχθρεύσουσιν ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, ἐφ᾿ ἣν ὑμεῖς κατοικήσετε, Numbers 33:55 LXX​

In this passage we see a clear connection with the “pricks” [thorn] of the “eyes” and “sides”, which are the exact words Paul also uses. Further, we also see:

And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them, that despised them; and they shall know that I am the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 28:24

καὶ οὐκ ἔσονται οὐκέτι τῷ οἴκῳ τοῦ Ισραηλ σκόλοψ πικρίας καὶ ἄκανθα ὀδύνης ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν περικύκλῳ αὐτῶν τῶν ἀτιμασάντων αὐτούς· καὶ γνώσονται ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι κύριος. Ezekiel 28:24 LXX​
Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths. Hosea 2:6 [LXX Hosea 2:8]

διὰ τοῦτο ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ φράσσω τὴν ὁδὸν αὐτῆς ἐν σκόλοψιν καὶ ἀνοικοδομήσω τὰς ὁδοὺς αὐτῆς, καὶ τὴν τρίβον αὐτῆς οὐ μὴ εὕρῃ· Hosea 2:8 LXX​

We, know that though Paul had been blinded by His encounter with Jesus [Acts 9:9], yet he later had his eyesight restored to where he could see [Acts 9:12,17,18], yet Paul had not clear physical eyesight, and this is witnessed in several places in the Scripture:

[1] Paul could not immediately distinguish the High Priest from the other Council Members:

And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day. Acts 23:1

And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth. Acts 23:2

Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? Acts 23:3

And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest? Acts 23:4

Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people. Acts 23:5​

[2] Paul, in writing to the Galatians, speaks of their original love to him, in that they would have plucked out their own eyes and given them to him for use if they could:

Brethren, I beseech you, be as I [am]; for I [am] as ye [are]: ye have not injured me at all. - Galatians 4:12

Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. - Galatians 4:13

And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, [even] as Christ Jesus. - Galatians 4:14

Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if [it had been] possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me. - Galatians 4:15​

Notice, how Paul uses some of the same terminology to speak of this “thorn”. He used the words “infirmity”, “of the flesh”, “in my flesh” and in this instance he clearly speaks of the “eyes” as being the source of the infirmity.

[3] Paul, though he personally wrote the letter to the Galatians [6:11], to show his great love for them, he normally used a personal scribe [amanuensis] to do so [see “I Tertius, who wrote this epistle ...” Romans 16:22] and usually just signed the letter once transcribed [see “The salutation of me Paul with mine own hand.” 1 Corinthians 16:21 and “The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.” 2 Thessalonians 3:17 and “The salutation by the hand of me Paul. Remember my bonds. Grace be with you. Amen.” Colossians 4:18 and “I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.” Philemon 1:19], even though Paul was a thoroughly learned man in letters, writing, in several languages [1 Corinthians 14:18], etc [Acts 22:3, 23:6; Philippians 3:5].
Or it could be that the messenger of Satan was just the judaizers Paul speaks of in 2 Corinthians chapter 11?

2 Corinthians 11:4,13-15 KJV
[4] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. [13] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. [14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

But I realize that would be to simple and wouldn’t allow for all the speculation you have presented.
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The context of 2 Corinthians 12 was not with other men, or with spiritual affliction, but with physical affliction, in his "body", "flesh", called "infirmities".

Paul contrasting the Heavenly experience to the earthly experience:

2Co 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.​

No mention of others, such as Pharisees, or of those of the circumcision, etc.

Paul stated that the "infirmities" was present, at the time of writing the letter/epistle, as being currently with him, for which in prayer, he sought of God three times for the thing to be removed or to "depart from me":

2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
Paul did not state that the "infirmities" was a person, or persons, whether men or devils.

Paul again, records Jesus speaking to him (as He had on the road to Damascus, and saw the great light which blinded him), and Jesus spoke of Paul's "weakness", his "infirmities":

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.​

God's grace was being given to Paul, for that which was physically with Paul at the time. The very next statement, Paul again leads the list with himself (physically), in "infirmities", the chief problem, as he saw it, as that which was in his physical person as "weak":


2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.​

The only time that 'satan' is mentioned is in association with reminding Paul about his "infirmities", and tied to "exalted above measure" through spiritual sight (revelations), in contrast to Paul's physical "infirmities" or poor physical sight:

2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.​

The devil was tempting Paul in the matter of why Jesus would not heal his physical eyesight completely, as like unto the time with Job, who tried to get Job to question God's judgment. Paul then states that this "thing" was "given" to him, and was always with him, as "infirmities". We see this all through Paul's epistles, wherein he could not properly see clearly with physical eyesight, though his spiritual eyesight was now clear. Some would look with contempt upon such a person, have a physical deformity, for those who preached the word, as priests, were to be without defect (but they misunderstood that it was to be in character). Some, would even, as a messenger of Satan, try to tempt Paul about the power of Christ rising from the dead, if He (Jesus) could not so much as heal Paul of his eyesight, as He (Jesus) had for so many others. Can you not hear their sarcastic questions to Paul about this?

Jesus did not want Paul trusting in his own eyesight, but to see by faith and that which was revealed to him by Jesus. Paul's eyes had failed him as a pharisee, and now Jesus desired Paul to rely upon Jesus for true sight. This is why Paul speaks about his "eyes" to others, who needed to help him around.

Pulpit commentary:


"... In the flesh. There have been endless conjectures as to the exact nature of this painful and most humbling physical affliction. It is only by placing side by side a great many separate passages that we are almost irresistibly led to the conclusion which is now most generally adopted, namely, that it was acute and disfiguring ophthalmia, originating in the blinding glare of the light which flashed round him at Damascus, and accompanied, as that most humiliating disease usually is, by occasional cerebral excitement. It would be impossible here to enter into the whole inquiry, for which! refer to my ’Life of St. Paul,’ 1:214-226. ..."
Albert Barnes Commentary:

"... and to denote “pricks in the eyes” Num_33:55 ... that it was some infirmity of the flesh, some bodily affliction or calamity, that was like the continual piercing of the flesh with a thorn Gal_4:13; and that it was something that was designed to prevent spiritual pride. ... it seems more probable to me that he refers to some bodily infirmity. The general truth taught in this verse is, that God will take care that his people shall not be unduly exalted by the manifestations of his favor, and by the spiritual privileges which he bestows on them. He will take measures to humble them; and a large part of his dealings with his people is designed to accomplish this. Sometimes it will be done, as in the case of Paul, by bodily infirmity or trial, by sickness, or by long and lingering disease; sometimes by great poverty and by an humble condition of life; sometimes by reducing us from a state of affluence where we were in danger of being exalted above measure; sometimes by suffering us to be slandered and calumniated, by suffering foes to rise up against us who shall blacken our character and in such a manner that we cannot meet it; ..."
Joseph Benson Commentary:

"... Let it be observed, says Whitby, 1st, That this thorn in the flesh was surely some infirmity in the flesh or body of St. Paul. So he himself informs us Gal_4:14, saying, My temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; (the original expressions, ουκ εξουθενησατε, ουδε εξεπτυσατε, properly signify, you did not account me as nothing, nor spit upon or ridicule me;) but received me, notwithstanding, as an angel, or messenger, of God. Whence we may observe, both that this thorn, or temptation, was in his flesh, or in his body ... 3d, It is certain it was some infirmity of the flesh, which naturally tended to obstruct the efficacy of his preaching, by rendering it less acceptable to his hearers, and made him subject to reproach and contempt in the discharge of his ministry. This is extremely evident from Gal_4:14, above cited, which Theodoret thus paraphrases; “Though I brought with me great ignominy in my body, you did not reject me;” and also from Christ’s answer to him, that his power was perfected in Paul’s weakness: that is, the greater is thy infirmity in preaching the gospel, the greater is my power in rendering it efficacious."
Adam Clarke's Commentary:

"... Whatever it was, it was τῃ σαρκι, in the flesh, i.e. of an outward kind. ..."
 

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Judges 2:... they shall be thorns in your side ...

Thorn in the flesh is a Jewish idiom referring to enemies (people), similar to our idiom, "my mother in law is a pain in the neck."

Paul did have poor eyesight, but that is not his messenger from Satan. Paul's messengers from Satan were his opponents of the gospel. They were his pain in the neck....
The "infirmities" was "in the flesh", and not external to himself. Yes, the phrase is an idiom, that is not in question, but an idiom, relies upon the reality, to base its secondary (not primary) use. In other words, as scripture relates, first the natural then the spiritual. For instance, in Genesis, a "day" is literal and natural, and must be, for it to be later used in a spiritual or secondary, etc sense.

The phrase, 'pain in the neck' means that which gives pain to the head (which is really where the pain is registered, the grief of mind/heart). Yet, Paul did not say that the grief was to his mind, but that the "infirmities" was "in the flesh", not of spirit, or heart/mind. It was a physical ailment that was always with him. The temptation of the devil was pointing this out to him, in relation to the power of Christ to give "sight" (such as Revelations), and connected with "exalted" (lifted up in pride) and "glory". Therefore, the devil tempted Paul, as he had done to Job, and so many others, even Christ, that If God is able to Heal, raise the dead, and even raise a man unto the sight of Heaven, then why couldn't or didn't, God heal Paul of this "infirmities" (malady) which is "in the flesh", not the spirit/heart/mind.
 

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The "infirmities" was "in the flesh", and not external to himself. Yes, the phrase is an idiom, that is not in question, but an idiom, relies upon the reality, to base its secondary (not primary) use. In other words, as scripture relates, first the natural then the spiritual. For instance, in Genesis, a "day" is literal and natural, and must be, for it to be later used in a spiritual or secondary, etc sense.

The phrase, 'pain in the neck' means that which gives pain to the head (which is really where the pain is registered, the grief of mind/heart). Yet, Paul did not say that the grief was to his mind, but that the "infirmities" was "in the flesh", not of spirit, or heart/mind. It was a physical ailment that was always with him. The temptation of the devil was pointing this out to him, in relation to the power of Christ to give "sight" (such as Revelations), and connected with "exalted" (lifted up in pride) and "glory". Therefore, the devil tempted Paul, as he had done to Job, and so many others, even Christ, that If God is able to Heal, raise the dead, and even raise a man unto the sight of Heaven, then why couldn't or didn't, God heal Paul of this "infirmities" (malady) which is "in the flesh", not the spirit/heart/mind.

His eyesight is not what is not going to make him puffed up, but the fact that there are people out there where he is proclaiming the words of God that don't believe him, and are saying bad things about him. Don't you think his ministry means more to him than his eyesight? I do, and the idiom fits.
 
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It is unlikely the thorn was a physical problem as it talks about a messenger in the very next phras.
I already addressed the 'messenger' aspect, even the reminder from the devil about Paul's physical ailment.
 

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His eyesight is not what is not going to make him puffed up,...
No, the revelations (spiritual sight and knowledge) could, but God allowed him (Paul) to remain with physical infirmity (even as God did for sister White, and so many others) to keep him humble.
 

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No, the revelations (spiritual sight and knowledge) could, but God allowed him (Paul) to remain with physical infirmity (even as God did for sister White, and so many others) to keep him humble.

So, are you repeating what EGW said about this thorn in the flesh, that you will not give room for another interpretation? Remember, the wheat and the tares have to stay growing together until the harvest. Those tares are not physical infirmities, but people trying to undermine the gospel.
 

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So, are you repeating what EGW said about this thorn in the flesh, that you will not give room for another interpretation? Remember, the wheat and the tares have to stay growing together until the harvest. Those tares are not physical infirmities, but people trying to undermine the gospel.
Tares are weeds (which looks like wheat), not necessarily thorns. Thorns can grow on roses which have nothing to do with weeds.

I provided the study from scripture, not from sister White, but it is interesting that sister White, as the others (I cited in commentary) agree with me.
 

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His eyesight is not what is not going to make him puffed up, but the fact that there are people out there where he is proclaiming the words of God that don't believe him, and are saying bad things about him. Don't you think his ministry means more to him than his eyesight? I do, and the idiom fits.
Agreed, Paul clearly states in many of his epistles that his character is constantly being assassinated. In my opinion he makes it very clear as to what/who this thorn in his flesh is in chapter 11 of second Corinthians. It’s those teaching a gospel of salvation by works, even having began in the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV
[3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The serpent is among all of us, and Paul was very aware of it.
https://tbibl.es/1a2C
 

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GINOLJC, to all.
have not read all the post, but looking at a few at the end. the THORN in the apostle Paul side is a "Person", NOT an ailment, or some illness, but a antagonist to keep him in check. a thorn, IN THE FLESH, not in his flesh,(or side), but in flesh, a person. and he tells us who it is, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure"

the OP was on the right track but got derailed,
The context of Paul's “thorn” [vs 7], was specifically said to be “in the flesh” [vs 7, Greek, “τη σαρκι”], and therefore was not an 'evil spirit',
the derailment,
but an “infirmit[y]” [vs 5,9,10; Greek “ασθενειαις”, of body or mind] that was constantly with him, even though he had prayed to God “thrice” [vs 8] for “it”/”thing” [vs 8] to be 'removed' [vs 8; “depart”; Greek “αποστη”].
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yes, not a evil spirit per say, but a evil spirit in person/in flesh, a person. so that thorn was a FALSE APOSTLE, to contridict the true messenger of God in preaching the Gospel, simply put, a hinderance. a hinderance is a thing that provides resistance, delay, or obstruction to something or someone.

PICJAG.
 

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Tares are weeds (which looks like wheat), not necessarily thorns. Thorns can grow on roses which have nothing to do with weeds.

I provided the study from scripture, not from sister White, but it is interesting that sister White, as the others (I cited in commentary) agree with me.

If you can't see anything other than poor eyesight, fine. Many use your definition to mean God won't heal us when we pray for healing. So why pray for anything, if God is just going to say no.
 

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If you can't see anything other than poor eyesight, fine. Many use your definition to mean God won't heal us when we pray for healing. So why pray for anything, if God is just going to say no.
We are always to pray, 'Not my will, but Thy [God's] will be done.' His will is perfectly good.

I know a good brother who lost both his wife (car accident) and 2 year old grandaughter to drowning, within a year.

God is good and I reminded Him so. Should he have prayed for their immediate resurrection, or to accept that God has a greater plan, and preserved them both from the things to come?

Isa 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

Isa 57:2 He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.​