Verses that DON'T convey what they say ...

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Waiting on him

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i have to agree we will suffer persecution ill it be physical also maybe .most likely more spiritual; man does not kno the time Christ will return . his post is way out of whack
This word persecution too me implies a sense of being hunted or pursued, I’ve personally never experienced this.
I’m sure that for the first century Christians this was an every day occurrence, who knows maybe things will come to this for me. Hopefully not, but I don’t believe worrying about it will help one way or another.
 

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Sorry, I just read you stated there is a Gi note, in all reality I don’t wish to cause you more paranoias, I just want you to see all of this is vanity.

... and I expect it will be paid in FULL this next year. And if obedience to Luke 22:35-36 is "vanity", then count me GUILTY! But for those who think Jesus will keep them from the challenges to come, -- Good Luck!

So now I again see why you were on IGNORE! :)
Bobby Jo
 

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... and I expect it will be paid in FULL this next year. And if obedience to Luke 22:35-36 is "vanity", then count me GUILTY! But for those who think Jesus will keep them from the challenges to come, -- Good Luck!

So now I again see why you were on IGNORE! :)
Bobby Jo
That’s interesting and kinda in line with the op, Jesus speaks to the men standing in front of Him, and you assume He’s speaking too you, or am I confuse did He also send you out with no purse or sword?

I’d suggest that the reason I’m on ignore is due to your intolerance too truth?
 
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To All,

There was a guy who accused me of being a "troll". Now I've repeatedly seen the Democrats accuse their political opponents of the thing that THEY themselves do. TRUMP IS COLLUDING with the RUSSIANS; ... with UKRAINE; his FINANCES need to be INVESTIGATED; etc. It's called "transference".

So I see an equivalent "transference" in this forum, -- presumably by a person who's learned INTEGRITY from his Democratic Party teachers.


:)
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To All,

There was a guy who accused me of being a "troll". Now I've repeatedly seen the Democrats accuse their political opponents of the thing that THEY themselves do. TRUMP IS COLLUDING with the RUSSIANS; ... with UKRAINE; his FINANCES need to be INVESTIGATED; etc. It's called "transference".

So I see an equivalent "transference" in this forum, -- presumably by a person who's learned INTEGRITY from his Democratic Party teachers.


:)
Bobby Jo
There’s also the word transparency, which is what Pelosi needs to display because those who have nothing to hide are transparent and forthcoming.
 

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There’s also the word transparency, which is what Pelosi needs ...

I ain't worried about "Nancy". I'm worried about a "church" filled with attendees versus followers. And there's no end to the attendees.


I think the problem starts with "LOVE". LOVE, LOVE, LOVE! We only need to "LOVE". -- Yep, Jesus never said a "cross-word" to any of the Saducees, or called Peter "satan"; Peter should have never confronted Ananias & Seppharia; and Paul never distanced himself from "Mark"; because that wouldn't demonstrate "LOVE".

If Jesus, Peter, and Paul had been properly rebuked by the "church", we'd have a more perfect example and relationship with GOD ...
Bobby Jo
 

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I ain't worried about "Nancy". I'm worried about a "church" filled with attendees versus followers. And there's no end to the attendees.


I think the problem starts with "LOVE". LOVE, LOVE, LOVE! We only need to "LOVE". -- Yep, Jesus never said a "cross-word" to any of the Saducees, or called Peter "satan"; Peter should have never confronted Ananias & Seppharia; and Paul never distanced himself from "Mark"; because that wouldn't demonstrate "LOVE".

If Jesus, Peter, and Paul had been properly rebuked by the "church", we'd have a more perfect example and relationship with GOD ...
Bobby Jo
You don't think Jesus called them a brood of vipers? That wasn't a cross-word? What bible do you read?
 

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Hi DNB,

I think that we have ALL THE INFORMATION necessary to understand what Scripture is attempting to covey. Otherwise, GOD is wasting HIS time and our time, -- and I don't think HE's playing a joke on us. There REALLY is a solution to Scriptural "riddles" if we're simply willing to receive.

But how many seek HIS TRUTH, versus occupy a pew?!?

Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things which you have not known.


So take for example the Rev. 13:18 "666". How many people have confounded themselves when a simple survey of society provides a simple answer. -- Take the world's language (English) and assign increments of "6", such that A=6; B=12 etc., and sum the technology (C O M P U T E R) which will be used to control who is able to buy and sell. And use the SAME METHODOLOGY to discover who the a/c is. Easy Peasy.


Scripture's really not that difficult, but as you suggest, for some IT'S HIDDEN! :)

Bobby Jo

Well, after all...He is a rewarder of those who DILIGENTLY seek Him :)
 
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Well, after all...He is a rewarder of those who DILIGENTLY seek Him :)
Matt. 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.

We must PURSUE the kingdom of heaven, and we receive from GOD by ARDENT ACTION. -- And ARDENT ACTION includes obeying Jesus' last instructions to the disciples, (Luke 22:35-36) which COMMANDS US to prepare ourselves with a PURSE, and BAG, and SWORD in order to engage with the world. Jesus WON'T BE THERE TO HELP US, unless we've already made all the preparations we can possibly make by ourselves.

OR, don't believe Jesus. Believe the "church" when they tell us that JESUS WILL PROVIDE FOR US in spite of HIS instructions to the contrary.


They don't call it the Great Falling Away for nothing ...
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Matt. 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.

We must PURSUE the kingdom of heaven, and we receive from GOD by ARDENT ACTION. -- And ARDENT ACTION includes obeying Jesus' last instructions to the disciples, (Luke 22:35-36) which COMMANDS US to prepare ourselves with a PURSE, and BAG, and SWORD in order to engage with the world. Jesus WON'T BE THERE TO HELP US, unless we've already made all the preparations we can possibly make by ourselves.

OR, don't believe Jesus. Believe the "church" when they tell us that JESUS WILL PROVIDE FOR US in spite of HIS instructions to the contrary.


They don't call it the Great Falling Away for nothing ...
Bobby Jo
What is the kingdom of heaven ?

Define it for us !
 

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It's always disturbing to hear someone cite Scripture which doesn't convey what people come away with. Take for example:

  • "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence ... ", -- where people presume that Christians will be persecuted, when in fact WE are the ones who must use "violence" (better: ardent action) to receive the things of GOD.
  • "don't worry about tomorrow for today ...", -- where people think we shouldn't plan, when in fact, if we sit around "planning", nothing will get done today. And what you should have accomplished TODAY, will have to be done TOMORROW. So do what you can TODAY, and worry about tomorrows tasks, tomorrow!
  • "no man knows the day or the hour ...", -- where people extrapolate this to presume we can't know ANYTHING about the timing of Jesus' return, when certainly the YEAR is cited in Scripture, and we can know HIS return down to the WEEK.
... among others ...​


And of course there are MANY other verses which are not properly rendered from the Original text (Masoretic or other), typical of:
  • "seventy weeks are decreed ...", which is interpreted as seventy sevens = 490, when in fact the "weeks" are not the usual Concise Feminine Gender text, but instead are the UNUSUAL INCONCISE Masculine Gender text. Thus the durations could be any number EXCEPT 490.
  • "seven and sixty two ...", where Newton observed that summing the two numbers "does violence to Scripture", as NO nation or society uses numbers in such fashion, and that if GOD had wanted to convey "sixty-nine" HE would have said "sixty-nine".
... among others ...​


But often times we are so committed to our "understandings" that we refuse to change from our "tradition" to FACT. It's like my favorite aunt used to tease: My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts! -- The difference being that she was only kidding, but the church is SERIOUS! :)


Bobby Jo

It would be convenient-for the readers of this post-if scriptures were listed. Thanks!