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Nancy

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Nevertheless, He calls their sin an abomination.

If they will not be separated from it through faith in the blood of Jesus, know that their sin will be cast into the lake of fire and they along with it.

Proverbs 6:16-19 lists seven things which are also abominations: "haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

There are many, many more examples. I would say that all sin is an abomination to God. Abomination is not more evil than sin. We have ALL fallen short, missed the mark. But, it seems to me that you believe that a homosexual orientation alone, even those who become celibate for The Lord, are kindling for hell.
 

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God is in the business of doing miracles.

A homosexual orientation is not based on DNA.

It develops in most cases because of molestation; and God is able, by His Holy Spirit, to heal the wounds that are caused by such things.

We are fearfully and wonderfully made. God did not create anyone with an inclination towards such unnatural behaviour. He would be defeating His own purpose.

The #1 cause of homosexuality in Romans 1 is the lack of being thankful to the Lord; and the #2 cause is buying into the theory of evolution and/or idolatry.

"It develops in most cases because of molestation" <--- And, you would know this, how??

"The #1 cause of homosexuality in Romans 1 is the lack of being thankful to the Lord; and the #2 cause is buying into the theory of evolution and/or idolatry."

Where DO you get this bunk?
 
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"It develops in most cases because of molestation" <--- And, you would know this, how??

"The #1 cause of homosexuality in Romans 1 is the lack of being thankful to the Lord; and the #2 cause is buying into the theory of evolution and/or idolatry."

Where DO you get this bunk?
You might want to be a bit more cautious with that Cherry Picking of verses, People. Although some of what you mentioned is definitely in there, when you read all the way to the end of Chapter 1, it really doesn't peg as the main reason for homosexuality, down through all of history, "not being thankful to God." A lot of Priests and Preachers have turned many God-loving choirboys into flaming queers.

I recently recommended the book, How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth. (Used copies are dirt cheap online.... or I will e-mail anyone an MS Word Formatted copy, for free.) The authors speak a lot about being careful not to apply what God said or did in one specific incident or time period, to all people, for all time.
 
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They need prayer not judgement and who are you to be judging those outside the Church anyway?

I don't think I'm judging anyone. There is a difference between judging people myself and proclaiming the judgments of the LORD. God judges those outside the church based on what His word says. And I think that His word is pretty clear on this issue. Then, there is the matter of, 1st, knowing what it says; and, 2nd, not hardening your heart to what it says.

If I had time right now, I could cite a whole lot of sins that are an abomination to God.

Take your time. As soon as you get the opportunity.
 
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Proverbs 6:16-19 lists seven things which are also abominations: "haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

There are many, many more examples. I would say that all sin is an abomination to God. Abomination is not more evil than sin. We have ALL fallen short, missed the mark. But, it seems to me that you believe that a homosexual orientation alone, even those who become celibate for The Lord, are kindling for hell.
All abominations are sin; but not all sins are abominations.

And I certainly do not minimize what is called an abomination in Proverbs.

But do you think that the fact that these sins are listed as abominations, makes homosexuality less of an abomination in God's sight?

And if all sin is an abomination to God, then you are guilty of abomination.

I hope that you won't rationalize your behaviour as being less sinful than it really is; nor think of it as unnecessary to avail yourself of the remedy.

Abomination, the way I see it, is strong language used to identify sinful behaviours that are up the scale from your normal sinful behaviour.
 
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And if all sin is an abomination to God, then you are guilty of abomination.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Jesus and Paul made similar statements in the Sermon in the Mount and Galatians respectively. The point being made is that if you are guilty of one sin, you are guilty of sin and without the blood of Jesus, it doesn't matter what the sin is... You are guilty. If you are guilty of an abominal sin... You are guilty. If you are guilty of a non abominal sin... You are guilty and the blood of Jesus works just as well for both.
 
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It may be immodest and even prideful to say this, but I will hold my decades of face-to-face experience in this field up against anyone's here. And I will tell you, right out, that early and initial sexual experiences very greatly and deeply influence the future development of almost any person. So, "Yes" molestation at an early age (whether overtly malevolent or "unaware" grooming [seduction] ) has a great deal to do with a person leaning toward homosexual desires and behavior in later life.
 
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All abominations are sin; but not all sins are abominations.

And I certainly do not minimize what is called an abomination in Proverbs.

But do you think that the fact that these sins are listed as abominations, makes homosexuality less of an abomination in God's sight?

And if all sin is an abomination to God, then you are guilty of abomination.

I hope that you won't rationalize your behaviour as being less sinful than it really is; nor think of it as unnecessary to avail yourself of the remedy.

Abomination, the way I see it, is strong language used to identify sinful behaviours that are up the scale from your normal sinful behaviour.

"I hope that you won't rationalize your behaviour as being less sinful than it really is; nor think of it as unnecessary to avail yourself of the remedy."

And, what "behaviour" do you accuse me of rationalizing?? I NEVER once said that homosexual behaviour was 'okay'??!! I said they should be celibate o_O There IS no changing ones orientation, would be like praying for God to make my eyes blue instead of green. I'm also sure God did not mean for babies to be born without limbs, blind or even without a brain! This is a messed up world with messed up people. Yes, God can, obviously do anything He wants to ability wise but, any gay person out there who is totally gay will remain that way unless they are being dishonest and thinking if they play the part to please all heteros they will suddenly will have a changed orientation! Bi-sexual people are the ones who burn my britches, THEY HAVE a choice. Please do not keep embarrassing yourself as you have NO idea, none at all, just like a gay person would have NO idea what is is to be hetero. Smh.
 
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From the Bible. And it ain't bunk, lassie.

... for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
What was it they changed? If they were already attracted to men then they are looking for a sexual experiment, then they go back to men...same with the men. What if they never were attracted to the opposite sex?? They would have changed nothing. Seems you are talking about an orgy!

28 And even as they refused to have God in [their] knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: 32 who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.

Oh I see all kinds of HETEROSEXUALS doing these same things, they are NOT solely for a homosexual, please! Maybe homosexuals should just jump off a cliff, like they are made to do in Islamic countries. What is one to do when they pray from pre-teen on for God to take away "those feelings" and many, many years go past without any change at all. If they love God, they should realize they are being called to celibacy, period...the Bi's? Yeah, they have choice. What happened to you, have a girl in the past turned out to not really be attracted to you but, was pretending to so as to appear normal? Then what, did she leave you for another woman? Ouch, I am sorry if that happened to you or some such thing.
You want to throw all of those sins listed exclusively towards homosexuals...and no straights do those things, really :rolleyes:...or are those sins worse because a gay person might commit some of them!
 
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It may be immodest and even prideful to say this, but I will hold my decades of face-to-face experience in this field up against anyone's here. And I will tell you, right out, that early and initial sexual experiences very greatly and deeply influence the future development of almost any person. So, "Yes" molestation at an early age (whether overtly malevolent or "unaware" grooming [seduction] ) has a great deal to do with a person leaning toward homosexual desires and behavior in later life.
I can believe that you saw lots of messed up people like that; but you may not have had an "unibiased sample" in the cases you saw.
 

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I don't think I'm judging anyone. There is a difference between judging people myself and proclaiming the judgments of the LORD. God judges those outside the church based on what His word says. And I think that His word is pretty clear on this issue. Then, there is the matter of, 1st, knowing what it says; and, 2nd, not hardening your heart to what it says.



Take your time. As soon as you get the opportunity.





The following is a list of things the Bible considers an abomination:

  • Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
  • Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
  • Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
  • Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)
  • Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
  • Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
  • A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
  • A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
  • A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
  • Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
  • A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
  • Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
  • A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
  • A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
  • Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
  • A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
  • Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
  • The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
  • The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
  • The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
  • Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
  • Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
  • Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
  • Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
  • Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
  • Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
  • Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
  • Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18) See GayPrejudice.com
  • Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
  • Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
  • Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
  • Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
  • Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) See GayPrejudice.com
  • Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
  • Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
  • Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
  • Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
  • Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
  • Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
  • Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
  • Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
  • Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
  • Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
  • Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
  • Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
  • Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
  • Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)
It is abundantly clear from scripture that ALL SIN is considered an abomination by God. While one can debate degrees of seriousness and punishment for sin, it is clear that, according to the Bible, ALL sin is an abomination!
 

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I can believe that you saw lots of messed up people like that; but you may not have had an "unibiased sample" in the cases you saw.
Just slightly more than 4,800 people. I dunno, I suspect there might have been a fair representation there somewhere..…. since there was probably not a single sexual deviation that was not in evidence.
 
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And, what "behaviour" do you accuse me of rationalizing??

Whatever sins you commit that are an abomination, as you have defined them. So, you seem to be saying that it is okay to commit an abomination before God.

There IS no changing ones orientation,

As I said before, the Lord is in the business of working miracles. And it may not even be a miracle for someone to choose to have heterosexual sex within a marriage, for the purpose of procreation, after having been delivered from a homosexual lifestyle.

With God nothing shall be impossible (Luke 1:37).
 
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Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18) See GayPrejudice.com

Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) See GayPrejudice.com

Calling an abhorrence of homosexuality "prejudice" or "homophobia" is all part of the gay agenda to make homosexuality to be seen as not a sin in our culture.

Now, I am glad that you have shown clearly what is defined as abomination in the word of God.

I would like for you to take just one of those things that are listed and tell me that they ought to be acceptable in society, as the homosexual agenda seeks to make homosexual behaviour acceptable in society.
 
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Homosexuality is a mental illness and should be treated as such, they need to be treated by psychiatrists and specialist, but you can no longer do that, back in the day you could.

God created nothing more beautiful than the female, without whom we can not exist.

Sick indecent deviant behavior.
 
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Calling an abhorrence of homosexuality "prejudice" or "homophobia" is all part of the gay agenda to make homosexuality to be seen as not a sin in our culture.

Now, I am glad that you have shown clearly what is defined as abomination in the word of God.

I would like for you to take just one of those things that are listed and tell me that they ought to be acceptable in society, as the homosexual agenda seeks to make homosexual behaviour acceptable in society.

Where have I said, ever that homosexuality is OKAY??? Read into whatever you want, I'm done here. This forum has brought me more strife and division as of late. You think you have it all down pat and actually think you know all about a gay person. You know nothing and I will love them whether you do or not. I NEVER gave a pass to anyone gay, NOT even myself so. There, since I still do NOT have any sexual attraction to men, yet remain celibate as I believe God told me that His grace IS sufficient, so do many others! But, there is STILL hatred and disgust for the person. Judge away.