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The Bible describes a future seven-year period of unprecedented suffering and distress during which God will pour out His wrath on the earth. It will begin when Israel signs a treaty with the Antichrist, and it will end at the Second Coming. This seven-year period of time is often referred to as "the Tribulation." Revelation 6:9-11 (below)...... describes a persecution and martyrdom of saints during the first half of the seven-year Tribulation: "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed." (Revelation 6:9-11) This persecution of the saints during the first half of the Tribulation will be carried out by "Mystery Babylon," which will be a one-world religious system during the first half of the seven-year Tribulation period: "One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries." Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished." (Revelation 17:1-6) The above passage tells us that the kings of the earth will commit "spiritual adultery" with this "prostitute" (for more examples of adultery in a spiritual sense, see Jeremiah chapter 3 and Ezekiel chapter 16), which indicates that this will be a one-world religious system. This false religious system will be "drunk with the blood of the saints," which tells us that it will be responsible for a massive persecution of Christians. The Antichrist will break his treaty with Israel at the mid-point of the seven-year Tribulation period, and then he will begin a terrible persecution of the nation of Israel (as well as the Christians). According to the pre-tribulational view of the Rapture, the Rapture of the Church will happen before the seven-year Tribulation begins. According to the mid-tribulational view (and other views such as the pre-wrath and mid-wrath views), the Rapture will happen during the seven-year Tribulation period. According to the post-tribulational view, the Rapture will happen at the end of the seven-year Tribulation period as Jesus is returning to the earth at the Second Coming. I can show you why many people believe that the weight of Scriptural evidence supports the pre-trib view of the Rapture. Consider that all Christians will be "snatched up" to meet the Lord in the air when He comes for us at the Rapture, and therefore those who are "left behind" will all be unsaved. During the seven-year Tribulation there will be multitudes of people who will receive salvation, and they are all referred to as "saints" in the book of Revelation, just as Christians are referred to as "saints" (as in Ephesians 1:1), and just as all of the righteous people in Old Testament times are called "saints" (as in Psalm 30:4). Since there will be "a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language" (Revelation 7:9) who will receive salvation after the Rapture (according to the pre-trib view), how likely is it that not a single one of them had ever heard the Gospel message before the Rapture? It is more probable that many of them had rejected the Gospel before the Rapture, but then they received salvation after the Rapture. This would mean that people will have a "second chance" to receive salvation after being left behind when Jesus came back for the Church. However, those who are so hardened to the Gospel that they "refused to love the truth and so be saved" will be under a powerful delusion which will cause them to believe the Antichrist's lies (2 Thessalonians 2:10-11). Again, the Tribulation will be a seven-year period of time during which God will pour out His wrath on the earth. Multitudes of people will receive salvation during the Tribulation, but they will be persecuted by the "Mystery Babylon" religious system during the first half of the Tribulation. In addition, the Christians and the nation of Israel will be persecuted by the Antichrist during the second half of the Tribulation.
Right and wrong yes there is a seven year period of time Daniels 70th week thats called the tribulation period its dived into two halves each being 3 1/2 years long the first half starts at the End of the fifth trump when Satan gets kicked to earth. This Starts the 6th trump and is called the the first tribulation we will call it Satans tribulation (there are 2 tribulations) Antichrist comes in peacefully and prosperously he will be a man of peace He will heal the deadly Wound and most likely make a treaty he will be loved by the World he sets up a one World government (the first beast in Revelation) he will be thought to be Christ he will be winning friends influencing people putting food on every table holding revivals and the whole world follows the beast (the second beast in Rev. is Satan (antichrist) ... What is there here that you think you would resuced from ??? There is no Biblical support for any rapture here or anywhere else We now go into mid tribulation Antichrist then sets up his one World religion ... In the middle of the week (a week of years)3 1/2years (the same as 42 months) or mid week he commits the Abomination of Desolation that is standing in the holy of hollies and declaring himself to be God this is when he technically becomes the Antichrist .... He then ONLY PERSECUTES CHRISTIAN THAT WILL NOT ACCEPT HE IS CHRIST, THAT IS KNOWING WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS WE ARE TO WAIT AND WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS FAKE AS THE REAL .... Now please explain to me who these Chrisians are he is going to persicute if they are all raptured out of here ?????????Why would he persicute those that believe he is the real christ thats what he wants ...he only persicutes those who are the true church know he is a fake and refuse to follow him. THESE ARE THE OVERCOMERS THE TRUE CHURCHSo we see the church is still here ......Antichrist then kills the two wittness which God told him he could not they lie dead in the street of Jerusalem for thee Days while the whole world parties because these two trouble makers are dead ..... Then they are resurrected in the site of all the World this is the start of the second tribulation We will call it Gods tribulation this is the last trump the 7th trump ..God and his Saints the ones that are already dead that are with him (that cry out from under the Alter) come in the clouds this is Gods tribulation he is after Antichrist and all those with him ....NOT HIS TRUE CHURCH HE IS NOT HERE TO KILL US so if God is coming here to take his revenge on Satan(antichrist why would his true church be worried we are who he is coming to rescue /save ... The rapture is a stupid man made doctrine that doesnt even make sense much less did God write anything about it in his book It will not take God and Saints long to do away with Satan (antichrist) We will then all be changed into our incorubtable spirit bodies and we may rise up to meet him as we will not be flesh ... but will only a moment to meet and greet him we are going no where as he is coming here to rule as King of Kings ....
The Bible describes a future seven-year period of unprecedented suffering and distress during which God will pour out His wrath on the earth. It will begin when Israel signs a treaty with the Antichrist, and it will end at the Second Coming. This seven-year period of time is often referred to as "the Tribulation." Revelation 6:9-11 (below)...... describes a persecution and martyrdom of saints during the first half of the seven-year Tribulation: "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed." (Revelation 6:9-11) This persecution of the saints during the first half of the Tribulation will be carried out by "Mystery Babylon," which will be a one-world religious system during the first half of the seven-year Tribulation period: "One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries." Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished." (Revelation 17:1-6) The above passage tells us that the kings of the earth will commit "spiritual adultery" with this "prostitute" (for more examples of adultery in a spiritual sense, see Jeremiah chapter 3 and Ezekiel chapter 16), which indicates that this will be a one-world religious system. This false religious system will be "drunk with the blood of the saints," which tells us that it will be responsible for a massive persecution of Christians. The Antichrist will break his treaty with Israel at the mid-point of the seven-year Tribulation period, and then he will begin a terrible persecution of the nation of Israel (as well as the Christians). According to the pre-tribulational view of the Rapture, the Rapture of the Church will happen before the seven-year Tribulation begins. According to the mid-tribulational view (and other views such as the pre-wrath and mid-wrath views), the Rapture will happen during the seven-year Tribulation period. According to the post-tribulational view, the Rapture will happen at the end of the seven-year Tribulation period as Jesus is returning to the earth at the Second Coming. I can show you why many people believe that the weight of Scriptural evidence supports the pre-trib view of the Rapture. Consider that all Christians will be "snatched up" to meet the Lord in the air when He comes for us at the Rapture, and therefore those who are "left behind" will all be unsaved. During the seven-year Tribulation there will be multitudes of people who will receive salvation, and they are all referred to as "saints" in the book of Revelation, just as Christians are referred to as "saints" (as in Ephesians 1:1), and just as all of the righteous people in Old Testament times are called "saints" (as in Psalm 30:4). Since there will be "a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language" (Revelation 7:9) who will receive salvation after the Rapture (according to the pre-trib view), how likely is it that not a single one of them had ever heard the Gospel message before the Rapture? It is more probable that many of them had rejected the Gospel before the Rapture, but then they received salvation after the Rapture. This would mean that people will have a "second chance" to receive salvation after being left behind when Jesus came back for the Church. However, those who are so hardened to the Gospel that they "refused to love the truth and so be saved" will be under a powerful delusion which will cause them to believe the Antichrist's lies (2 Thessalonians 2:10-11). Again, the Tribulation will be a seven-year period of time during which God will pour out His wrath on the earth. Multitudes of people will receive salvation during the Tribulation, but they will be persecuted by the "Mystery Babylon" religious system during the first half of the Tribulation. In addition, the Christians and the nation of Israel will be persecuted by the Antichrist during the second half of the Tribulation.
Right and wrong yes there is a seven year period of time Daniels 70th week thats called the tribulation period its dived into two halves each being 3 1/2 years long the first half starts at the End of the fifth trump when Satan gets kicked to earth. This Starts the 6th trump and is called the the first tribulation we will call it Satans tribulation (there are 2 tribulations) Antichrist comes in peacefully and prosperously he will be a man of peace He will heal the deadly Wound and most likely make a treaty he will be loved by the World he sets up a one World government (the first beast in Revelation) he will be thought to be Christ he will be winning friends influencing people putting food on every table holding revivals and the whole world follows the beast (the second beast in Rev. is Satan (antichrist) ... What is there here that you think you would resuced from ??? There is no Biblical support for any rapture here or anywhere else We now go into mid tribulation Antichrist then sets up his one World religion ... In the middle of the week (a week of years)3 1/2years (the same as 42 months) or mid week he commits the Abomination of Desolation that is standing in the holy of hollies and declaring himself to be God this is when he technically becomes the Antichrist .... He then ONLY PERSECUTES CHRISTIAN THAT WILL NOT ACCEPT HE IS CHRIST, THAT IS KNOWING WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS WE ARE TO WAIT AND WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS FAKE AS THE REAL .... Now please explain to me who these Chrisians are he is going to persicute if they are all raptured out of here ?????????Why would he persicute those that believe he is the real christ thats what he wants ...he only persicutes those who are the true church know he is a fake and refuse to follow him. THESE ARE THE OVERCOMERS THE TRUE CHURCHSo we see the church is still here ......Antichrist then kills the two wittness which God told him he could not they lie dead in the street of Jerusalem for thee Days while the whole world parties because these two trouble makers are dead ..... Then they are resurrected in the site of all the World this is the start of the second tribulation We will call it Gods tribulation this is the last trump the 7th trump ..God and his Saints the ones that are already dead that are with him (that cry out from under the Alter) come in the clouds this is Gods tribulation he is after Antichrist and all those with him ....NOT HIS TRUE CHURCH HE IS NOT HERE TO KILL US so if God is coming here to take his revenge on Satan(antichrist why would his true church be worried we are who he is coming to rescue /save ... The rapture is a stupid man made doctrine that doesnt even make sense much less did God write anything about it in his book It will not take God and Saints long to do away with Satan (antichrist) We will then all be changed into our incorubtable spirit bodies and we may rise up to meet him as we will not be flesh ... but will only a moment to meet and greet him we are going no where as he is coming here to rule as King of Kings ....