Rapture Day (Catching up of Believers) is very Near!!

Keraz said:

All wrong and unscriptural, your conclusions are in error.
John 5:28-29 is about the GWT Judgment, proved in Revelation 20:1-15.

The Day of Jesus Return is not a day of fire at all. He merely disposes of Satans attacking armies by the Sword of His Word.
Isaiah 65:20 says people will still die during the Millennium, no one receives immortality until the 1000 years is over.

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No, John 5:28-29 is about the HOUR of Christ's 2nd coming...

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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There are actually 3 indicators in those two verses that prove beyond a doubt that event is for the time of Christ's 2nd coming.

1. both resurrections happen at the same certain "hour"
2. all in the graves come forth, meaning both the alseep saints and the wicked dead
3. they all "hear His voice" at the same time and come forth, which is a pointer to the "shout" of 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

Keraz said:

The Day of Jesus Return is not a day of fire at all. He merely disposes of Satans attacking armies by the Sword of His Word.
Isaiah 65:20 says people will still die during the Millennium, no one receives immortality until the 1000 years is over.

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The day of Jesus' 2nd coming is when the "day of the Lord" happens. Apostles Paul and Peter linked the "as a thief" metaphor that Jesus taught in His Olivet discourse with that day per 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3; 2 Peter 3:10; and Jesus did also in Revelation 16:15 and Revelation 3:3 warning that He will come "as a thief".

2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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So what you claim I'm teaching is un-Scriptural actually shows that you are really the one not following Scripture, but are on an agenda of men.

Davy said:

So what you claim I'm teaching is un-Scriptural actually shows that you are really the one not following Scripture, but are on an agenda of men.

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Your belief that Jesus destroys the world at His Return, is more than unscriptural; it is crazy.
There are three clear descriptions of His Return; Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:30, and Revelation 19:11. Other that the killing of the Satanic armies at Armageddon by the Sword of His Word, He comes to Jerusalem, into the new Temple, to rule the world in peace and prosperity.

Jesus Return will not be 'like a thief', unexpected to those who know the 1260 day prophecy in Rev 12.
What will come unexpectedly, is His terrible Day of fiery wrath, that will change the world and commence all the prophesied end time events.

Keraz said:

Your belief that Jesus destroys the world at His Return, is more than unscriptural; it is crazy.
There are three clear descriptions of His Return; Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:30, and Revelation 19:11. Other that the killing of the Satanic armies at Armageddon by the Sword of His Word, He comes to Jerusalem, into the new Temple, to rule the world in peace and prosperity.

Jesus Return will not be 'like a thief', unexpected to those who know the 1260 day prophecy in Rev 12.
What will come unexpectedly, is His terrible Day of fiery wrath, that will change the world and commence all the prophesied end time events.

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You don't know what you're talking about. The 2 Peter 3:10 destruction is a cleansing of man's works off the earth. Just as the flood of Noah's day did not literally destroy the earth, but cleansed its surface only, the same idea is meant for God's consuming fire that will occur on the "day of the Lord" as written.

And if you had actually read Scripture you put out, like Zechariah 14, you'd realize those events happen on the "day of the Lord".

Zech 14:1-4
14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
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When Paul and Peter said the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night", they meant it (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3; 2 Peter 3:10). It will surprise the wicked and also Christian brethren that are deceived, all on that day of Christ's 2nd coming. There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture.

You have no right to go against the written Scripture where Jesus said He comes "as a thief" (Revelation 16:15).

Davy said:

You don't know what you're talking about.

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That would be you, Davy.

Zechariah 14:1-2 Look, a day is coming for the Lord, when your [people of Jerusalem] plunder will be shared out while you watch. Fot I shall make the nations gather for war and the city will be taken, the houses ransacked and the women raped. Half of the people will go into exile, but the rest will remain there. R.E.Bible, C.J.Bible.
This prophecy does NOT describe the glorious Return of Jesus. It is the attack and conquest of the Lord's people by the Anti-Christ,
THEN, Zechariah 14:3 goes on to describe the Return of Jesus, 42 months later.

2 Peter 3:7 and 10 both refer to the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, the soon to happen; Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
2 Peter 3:11 goes on to tell how; AFTER the Millennium, God will make a new Heavens and a new earth, where justice will prevail. Revelation 21-22

Your confusion about these prophecies, is because you don't understand the Lord's plans for His people. How we Christians will be gathered into all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord clears and cleanses it. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26

GISMYS_7 said:

King James 2000 Bible
Watch therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
1 Thessalonians 5:9-11 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our LORD Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 10and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

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Right; God will protect His faithful people during His wrath. NOT remove them:

Psalms 23:4 Even if I walk through a valley of darkness, I will fear no harm, for You are with me.

Isaiah 41:3 For I the Lord, will hold your right hand, saying: fear not, I will help you.

Isaiah 43:2b…walk thru fire and you will not be scorched, thru flames and not be burned.

Zephaniah 2:3 Seek the Lord, all you who obey Him, it may be that you will be sheltered on the Day of the Lord’s anger.

Proverbs 3:25 Do not be afraid when fools are frightened or when destruction overtakes the wicked, for the Lord will be at your side on that Day.

Daniel 3:25 An angel protects the 3 men in the furnace. THEY weren’t taken out of it!

Jeremiah 30:7 How terrible is that Day….yet Jacob [Israel: My people] will come thru it safely.

1 Corinthians 10:13.... God will not test you beyond your powers and when the test comes, He will provide a way out to enable you to endure.

Psalms 9:10 The Lord does not abandon those who seek Him and trust in Him.

2 Peter 2:9 God knows how to rescue the godly from their trials.

Psalms 18:3 I shall call upon the Lord, then I will be made safe.

Psalms 31:23-24 The Lord protects the faithful. Be strong, all you whose hope is in the Lord.

Psalms 64:10 The righteous rejoice, their refuge in the Lord.

Zechariah 9:15-16 The Lord of hosts will protect His people...On that Day, He will save them, like a flock, for they are precious to Him. Isaiah 61:10

Psalms 37:18-19 The Lord watches over the righteous, when times are bad, they will not be distressed.

Job 22:30 He will deliver the innocent, because their hands are pure.

Psalms 91:1-16 ...He will rescue you, you will not fear the terrors abroad.

Psalms 121:1-8 Our help comes from the Lord, He will guard your life.

Psalms 109:31 The Lord stands at the right hand of the poor and saves them from trials.

Isaiah 51:16 I keep you covered under the shelter of My hand.

Psalms 97:10-12 He keeps His loyal servants safe and rescues them from the wicked.

Jeremiah 17:7-8 Blessed is anyone who trusts in the Lord, they will be like trees by a stream, when the heat comes it has nothing to fear.

Nahum 1:7 The Lord is a sure protection in times of trouble and cares for all those who make Him their refuge.

Psalms 60:4-5 To those who fear the Lord, He will show the way to escape from trouble.

Psalms 37:9 For evildoers will be destroyed, those who trust in the Lord will prosper in the Land.

Isaiah 26:20 On that Day, I will come to your aid.

Daniel 12:1 There will be a time of anguish, but at that time, Your people will be delivered, all those whose names are written in the Book of Life.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 ...to give you relief when the Lord Jesus comes in blazing fire.

Joel 3:16 The Lord roars from Zion, the heavens and the earth shudder, but He is a refuge for His people and a defence for Israel.

Isaiah 65:9b My chosen ones will take possession of the land, those who serve Me will live there.

Ecclesiasticus 34:13-17 Those who fear the Lord will live, for their trust in Him can keep them safe. The Lord keeps watch over those who love Him, He is their shield and support, a shelter from the scorching wind and the heat of the sun. He raises their spirits and gives healing, life and blessings. Apoc.

Reference: Revised English Bible.

GISMYS_7 said:

God says He will keep us, believers, out of not through the great tribulation judgments!!!

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I posted 30 scriptures that prove God will protect His people through His Day of wrath and the Great Tribulation.
Where is your scriptures, saying God will take us to heaven?

The 'rapture to heaven' idea is a false teaching and those who promote it put themselves at risk of severe judgment. James 3:1

Keraz said:

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The 'rapture to heaven' idea is a false teaching and those who promote it put themselves at risk of severe judgment. James 3:1

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I would have suggested a second aspect: "severe hardship" for those whose expectations are FALSE, and the challenges so severe that many would deny their faith exactly as Peter denied Jesus in the courtyard. And certainly all those who accept the mark, will be participants in The Great Falling Away -- and be damned (Rev. 14:10-11).

But to @Keraz point, -- GOD will hold the pastors and teachers accountable for the souls of all who perish under their FALSE teaching.


Bobby Jo

Keraz said:

That would be you, Davy.

Zechariah 14:1-2 Look, a day is coming for the Lord, when your [people of Jerusalem] plunder will be shared out while you watch. Fot I shall make the nations gather for war and the city will be taken, the houses ransacked and the women raped. Half of the people will go into exile, but the rest will remain there. R.E.Bible, C.J.Bible.
This prophecy does NOT describe the glorious Return of Jesus. It is the attack and conquest of the Lord's people by the Anti-Christ,

as we know from Revelation 13:5-8 and Daniel 7:25​

THEN, Zechariah 14:3 goes on to describe the Return of Jesus, 42 months later.

2 Peter 3:7 and 10 both refer to the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, the soon to happen; Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
2 Peter 3:11 goes on to tell how; AFTER the Millennium, God will make a new Heavens and a new earth, where justice will prevail. Revelation 21-22

Your confusion about these prophecies, is because you don't understand the Lord's plans for His people. How we Christians will be gathered into all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord clears and cleanses it. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26

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The gathering of the nations to battle is in prep for the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns. Of course the "day of the Lord" is immediately AFTER the gathering of the nations to battle! Don't be silly. Can't have a battle without that gathering first...

Rev 16:15-17
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
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1. Jesus will come "as a thief" on the "day of the Lord".
2. Jesus gathers the nations to battle just prior to His 2nd coming, in prep for the battle of Armageddon.
3. Armageddon happens on the 7th Vial. This is the day Jesus comes to do battle. That vial is poured out into the "air", which is a pointer to God's consuming fire only on THAT final day of this present world.

Davy said:

The gathering of the nations to battle is in prep for the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns. Of course the "day of the Lord" is immediately AFTER the gathering of the nations to battle! Don't be silly. Can't have a battle without that gathering first...

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The difference between the conquest of Jerusalem by the Anti-Christ, as per Zech 14:1-2 and the Battle of Armageddon, is perfectly apparent; the first one happens at the mid point of the final 7 years and is won by Satan.
The second happens as Jesus Returns and is won by Him single handedly.

Why do you combine these two events? They are plainly described differently; no one get raped when Jesus Returns!

Keraz said:

The difference between the conquest of Jerusalem by the Anti-Christ, as per Zech 14:1-2 and the Battle of Armageddon, is perfectly apparent; the first one happens at the mid point of the final 7 years and is won by Satan.
The second happens as Jesus Returns and is won by Him single handedly.

Why do you combine these two events? They are plainly described differently; no one get raped when Jesus Returns!

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You're talking in riddles. I think we both agree the Antichrist comes first, then Jesus returns after that. So why can't you stick to that order which He and His Apostles gave, which is also the same order written of by the OT prophets?

1. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 and 2 Peter 3:10 are both solid that "the day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night".
2. Revelation 16:15-17 is solid that Jesus said He comes "as a thief", linking the day of His coming with that "as a thief in the night".
3. Thus logic demands, that Jesus comes on "the day of the Lord".
4. The consuming fire event by God occurs on the "day of the Lord" according to Peter in 2 Peter 3:10. Thus God's consuming fire happens on "the day of the Lord" also.

The Scripture is very simple IF... one sticks to what it actually says.

Davy said:

You're talking in riddles. I think we both agree the Antichrist comes first, then Jesus returns after that. So why can't you stick to that order which He and His Apostles gave, which is also the same order written of by the OT prophets?

1. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 and 2 Peter 3:10 are both solid that "the day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night".
2. Revelation 16:15-17 is solid that Jesus said He comes "as a thief", linking the day of His coming with that "as a thief in the night".
3. Thus logic demands, that Jesus comes on "the day of the Lord".
4. The consuming fire event by God occurs on the "day of the Lord" according to Peter in 2 Peter 3:10. Thus God's consuming fire happens on "the day of the Lord" also.

The Scripture is very simple IF... one sticks to what it actually says.

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But you don't stick to what the prophecies actually say.
You want to move the Sixth Seal from being the next prophesied event to happen, to when Jesus Returns.

The OT prophesies do not give us a general sequence of evets, but Revelation does. It says: and then...After that....then I saw,...+
Revelation also warns us about messing with it. You do it at your peril.

Keraz said:

But you don't stick to what the prophecies actually say.
You want to move the Sixth Seal from being the next prophesied event to happen, to when Jesus Returns.

The OT prophesies do not give us a general sequence of evets, but Revelation does. It says: and then...After that....then I saw,...+
Revelation also warns us about messing with it. You do it at your peril.

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I just showed you per God's Holy Writ, but you REJECT it as written...

1. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 and 2 Peter 3:10 are both solid that "the day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night".
2. Revelation 16:15-17 is solid that Jesus said He comes "as a thief", linking the day of His coming with that "as a thief in the night".
3. Thus logic demands, that Jesus comes on "the day of the Lord".
4. The consuming fire event by God occurs on the "day of the Lord" according to Peter in 2 Peter 3:10. Thus God's consuming fire happens on "the day of the Lord" also.

Davy said:

I just showed you per God's Holy Writ, but you REJECT it as written...

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You shuffle the prophecies in Revelation. Rev 22:18-19 say to not mess with it.

Davy said:

1. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 and 2 Peter 3:10 are both solid that "the day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night"

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The DoL of the fiery wrath, the Sixth seal; WILL come unexpectedly.

Davy said:

2. Revelation 16:15-17 is solid that Jesus said He comes "as a thief", linking the day of His coming with that "as a thief in the night".

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Rev 16:15 is in parenthesis in my REBible, as it is a warning to be prepared for all that must happen.
Although, to those soldiers in Satans army at Armageddon, will be surprised, as they die from the Sword of Jesus' Word.

Davy said:

3. Thus logic demands, that Jesus comes on "the day of the Lord".

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Jesus will come on the great day of Almighty God. Revelation 16:14 Every eye will see Him, as He returns accompanied by the Heavenly army. Revelation 1:7, Revelation 19:11-21

Davy said:

4. The consuming fire event by God occurs on the "day of the Lord" according to Peter in 2 Peter 3:10. Thus God's consuming fire happens on "the day of the Lord" also.

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Peter is referring to the terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal, at least 7-10 years BEFORE the Return. Proved by; the sky will roll up like a scroll. Revelation 6:14, Isaiah 34:4

What logic and common sense demand is: Why would Jesus destroy the world He has just come to rule over?
What is logical and as the scriptures tell us, is - The Lord will SEND fire to destroy the attackers of Israel and enable a One World Govt to be established. Amos 1 & 2:1-5.... I will send fire to burn up Syria, Gaza, Lebanon, Jordan, Arabia, and Judah as well. Ezekiel 30:1-5, + Also Iran [Elam] will be destroyed. Jeremiah 49:34-39

Habakkuk 1:5 Look around you among the nations, see there a sight that will utterly astound you, you will not believe it when you are told of what is being done in your days.

Habakkuk 1:6-11 goes on to say how the Babylonians were appointed to execute judgement against the House of Judah, but the preceding verses in Habakkuk 1:1-4 are a general indictment onto peoples and nations whose ‘laws are ineffective and where justice is overruled’. Therefore this threat of action by the Lord applies to our times, as well.

Acts 13:40-41 Beware, then lest you bring down upon yourselves the doom proclaimed by the prophets. Look, you who fail to grasp the truth, be surprised and perish. I am doing a work in your days, something that you will not believe, even though it has been pointed out to you.

This is the parallel passage from the New Testament. Pauls quote, was nothing to do with Jesus and His work on the cross, the message of salvation is not ‘doom’.

It applies to the end times: ‘your days’, not his days, but our days.

The ‘Doom proclaimed by the prophets’, will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. All the prophets and Jesus make it clear that this ‘Day of doom’, is the next prophesied event that we can expect to happen. Jesus quoted the first and half of the second verse of Isaiah 61:1-2, at the commencement of His ministry. The worldwide Day of vengeance of our God’, is the next prophesied event, still not yet happened. It will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, which commences all the prophesied end times events, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus.



More than 100 prophecies throughout the Bible describe in vivid detail this forthcoming punishment onto the whole world by devastating fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. This sudden and shocking event will take most people unawares and we are told by Paul, that those who are ‘surprised’; that is unaware and unprepared, then: they may perish.. Ezekiel 21:3-4

Isaiah 30:26 tells us what it is that causes this worldwide devastation and also that it will be ‘the Day the Lord saves His people’. who are all faithful Christians, who truly believe in Jesus and a few Messianic Jews who are protected in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:4

Therefore it is up to us to take heed of the warnings, Isaiah 24:1, Isaiah 26:20-21 and to be prepared for all the effects of a massive CME sunstrike that will kill about 1/3 of the world’s population and will destroy all of our modern infrastructure. Jeremiah 9:22

Then, for all who love the Lord and keep His Commandments, the Lord is ‘waiting to show His favour’, Isaiah 30:18-20