Are Doctrines affected by Modern Versions

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Jane_Doe22

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When I lived in Arizona, we lived in a village founded by Mormons, and I had a neighbor whose ancestor was best friends with Joseph Smith. I got a lot of my information from her. It appears that Joseph Smith taught that God was once a man on another planet before being exalted to Godhood. You said:


How could Joseph Smith found a whole denomination on what he speculated? So you are saying, not all Mormons believe Joseph Smith to be an infallible prophet? I like that. They believe what the Bible says.
There's only been one infallible person to walk this Earth: Jesus Christ.

All others, even His servants, are fallible. God's Truth is not determined based solely on what one human says. That includes the human Joseph Smith.

That singular sermon your neighbor was referring to:
- does not hold canonical "thus saith the Lord" status even to LDS Christians
- Is not actually discussed in lessons at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
- You'll find a million different views/interpretation on the matter, all sitting on the same pew. Zero of which are what you (a Creedal Christain) are probably thinking. There's a lot of weeds here with deeper level of Creeds and religious philosophy.
- And with most deep religious philosophy, it doesn't play into day-to-day living.
 
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There's only been one infallible person to walk this Earth: Jesus Christ.

All others, even His servants, are fallible. God's Truth is not determined based solely on what one human says. That includes the human Joseph Smith.

That singular sermon your neighbor was referring to:
- does not hold canonical "thus saith the Lord" status even to LDS Christians
- Is not actually discussed in lessons at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
- You'll find a million different views/interpretation on the matter, all sitting on the same pew. Zero of which are what you (a Creedal Christain) are probably thinking. There's a lot of weeds here with deeper level of Creeds and religious philosophy.
- And with most deep religious philosophy, it doesn't play into day-to-day living.

You're the first Mormon I've ever heard say that! Do you feel comfortable in churches of other denominations (that are not OSAS)? That may be the actual hindrance between you and your husband finding a church you can go to together.
 

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You're the first Mormon I've ever heard say that! Do you feel comfortable in churches of other denominations (that are not OSAS)? That may be the actual hindrance between you and your husband finding a church you can go to together.
There's different levels of comfort. I'm fine in most other places, but none of them are "home" so to say. There's disagreements on other aspect of belief, and I don't like pretending they don't exist, even as they're not salvation-focused.

As to my husband: that would require him to be wanting to actually get up and go to church anywhere ;)
 
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There's different levels of comfort. I'm fine in most other places, but none of them are "home" so to say. There's disagreements on other aspect of belief, and I don't like pretending they don't exist, even as they're not salvation-focused.

As to my husband: that would require him to be wanting to actually get up and go to church anywhere ;)

Maybe he believes OSAS and is already safe. That's why I believe it is such a dangerous doctrine.
 

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Yes, and I like that we can test if our assurance is sure, by whether or not God answers our prayers, and not on OSAS.

Have a great dinner. Merry Christmas.

Ezra, here is another verse from 2 Peter 1 we quoted earlier:

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these (above this verse) things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

That implies if you don't do those things and stumble and remain in that sinful condition, your call and election are not still sure.

We are being saved, and it is a daily check, not OSAS.
let me explain something to you..i do not teach/preach osas .i teach/preach that we MAY KNOW we have eternal life.. what does the word eternal/everlasting mean to you. if you wake up abiding in him then that means your salvation is secure . years ago when i as first saved . i couldn't even say the word eternal . since then i have studied and growed in his word .
Jude 24-25 King James Version (KJV)
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

i do believe in eternal security ..what i don't believe in . that is living how one wants and say i am still saved so its ok. i talked to a bro in the Lord yesterday. his baby daughter a young woman been in and out of bad relationships. had a child outside marriage. her husband who she is divorcing from what i gather was using her as a punching bag. his ords i was to the point of murdering him. going to prison the rest of my life. the flesh was talking certainly had it been my daughter .most likely he would find out what it was like himself. i would have found a away to beat him. but it is just as much her fault being in the no good relationship.. he believes in osas so he would say his daughter was saved. she has been doing this for years.. i would be questioning was she really saved .
here is the true fact our salvation is very secure . we read in scripture no man can pluck us out of the father hands... problem with the words combined eternal security is its not in the scriptures . but being secured in him we accept by faith . grace goes along way. it really does not matter to me how you want to believe. i am like paul wrote to timothy. i KNOW in who i have believed. its a relationship
 

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In 1819, John Henry Todd published A Vindication of Our Authorised Translation and Translators of the Bible. In this he quoted T. Rennell with this warning:

“From either of these schemes, the bold project of a new translation, or the more specious one of a revisal of the present version of the Holy Scriptures, there can be so little gained, and may be so much hazarded, that THE PROBABLE GOOD BEARS NO MANNER OF PROPORTION TO THE THREATENED DANGER. ... With regard to revision, it is of little importance that a few particles be adjusted, a few phrases polished, if the whole fabric of that faith which was once delivered to the saints is thereby shaken to its foundation.”​

John Jebb, Bishop of Limerick, gave this warning in 1829:

“But I humbly conceive that, in the present days of unsettlement and appetency after change, the only safety lies in keeping things as they are. We have not hitherto indeed had any great encouragement from the revisionary labours even of our first scholars and divines. Looking around me in the present day, I see much to fear, and little to hope; for one trifling error corrected I doubt we should have ten worse introduced; while, in point of style, from everything that has appeared of late years, I am obliged to think we should be infinitely losers” (Life of John Jebb, II, p. 454).​

Alexander McCaul. In 1857 McCaul published Reasons for Holding Fast [to the Authorized Version]. He warned:

“The changing of these words would establish a principle, that words not intelligible to the general reader must be changed for others more easily understood. And then a great many and important words must be removed. The possibility of having our theological language and therefore our theology changed (as might be the case), makes us rather satisfied to hold fast what we have than to run the risk of emendations of so sweeping a character. ... The last reason which may be urged for holding fast the authorized version is, that the advocates for revision propose not only to change our existing translation, but also the adoption of some improved Text of the originals. … All the other perils are as nothing compared with the alteration of the original texts. Everybody knows that, in the New Testament especially, there are some texts affecting the very foundations of our faith, others affecting the controversies between High Church and Low Church, which are subjects of debate. ... But let these passages be changed, and the weight of church authority is at once thrown into the scale; and a doubtful, mischievous reading may be put forth as the oracle of God.”​

Lord Panmure, speaking before the Edinburgh Bible Society in January 1857, warned:

“We have heard in this country, and we have seen it absolutely put into practice in the United States of America, of a scheme for what is called a new version of the Bible. Now, feeling very strongly on this subject, I take this opportunity of publicly stating my opinion: that any such scheme is fraught with the utmost danger to the Protestant liberties of this country. Nay, it is fraught with danger, I believe, to the Protestant religion itself. ... I think it would be the most dangerous and disastrous thing which could occur to this country, if we were to permit those words to be tampered with which have been household words in many a pious family for upwards of three hundred years, and I hope will be household words to all the families of the world before three hundred years more are passed” (Lord Panmure, The Witness, January 10, 1857, as cited by Edwin Bissell, The Historic Origin of the Bible, p. 351).​

D.H. Conrad, in April 1856, delivered this warning to a Bible Convention in Richmond, Virginia:

“[Regarding the proposed revision of the Authorized Bible] ... (2) You open a crevasse through which you know not how soon the floods of innovation may sweep away the sacred landmarks. (3) You risk too much for a small (supposed) accuracy, for you let in the cavils of those ‘who watch for your halting.’ You will have, as allies in the undertaking, all the heresies, past, present, and to come, to say nothing of those who now hate the Bible, because it stands a solemn protest against their ideal theories” (D.H. Conrad, Esq., at a Bible Convention, Bible Society Record, December 1856, cited by Edward Cone Bissell, Historic Origin of the Bible, 1873, pp. 348, 349).​

Anthony Ashley Cooper (the seventh Earl of Shaftesbury), gave this warning before the British & Foreign Bible Society in May 1856:

“DESTROY THAT COMMON CONSENT TO RECEIVE AN ‘AUTHORIZED VERSION,’ AND MY BELIEF IS THAT YOU HAVE INFLICTED A DEADLY WOUND ON THE CAUSE OF THE PROPAGATION OF THE TRUTH AMONG ALL THE NATIONS THAT SPEAK OUR LANGUAGE. ... At present we have the ‘Authorized Version,’ and we consent to receive it. We are, therefore, all on an equality; when we enter into a controversy we are on an equality; THE LAITY CAN EXERCISE THE BEREAN PRIVILEGE OF EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURES ‘TO SEE WHETHER THESE THINGS BE SO,’ AND CANNOT BE TOLD BY THOSE FROM WHOM THEY DIFFER, ‘IT MAY AGREE WITH YOUR VERSION, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER AND A BETTER ONE, AND THEREFORE, I CAN HAVE NO CONTROVERSY WITH YOU.’ What is proposed would, if carried out, tend to destroy the exercise of private judgment—that grand, sacred, solemn principle which is the right of every man, and which I imagine to be the great security of churches and nations, and the life and soul of individuals. WHEN YOU ARE CONFUSED OR PERPLEXED BY A VARIETY OF VERSIONS YOU WOULD BE OBLIGED TO GO TO SOME LEARNED PUNDIT IN WHOM YOU REPOSED CONFIDENCE, AND ASK HIM WHICH VERSION HE RECOMMENDED; AND WHEN YOU HAD TAKEN HIS VERSION, YOU MUST BE BOUND BY HIS OPINION. I HOLD THIS TO BE THE GREATEST DANGER THAT NOW THREATENS US. IT IS A DANGER PRESSED UPON US FROM GERMANY, AND PRESSED UPON US BY THE NEOLOGICAL SPIRIT OF THE AGE. I hold it to be far more dangerous than tractarianism or popery, both of which I abhor from the bottom of my heart. This evil is tenfold more dangerous, tenfold more subtle than either of these, because you would be ten times more incapable of dealing with the gigantic mischief that would stand before you. ... The cry for further amendment would know no end. It would be difficult to construct an impartial commission. The immense variety of opinion on doctrinal matters, and the immense diffusion of knowledge, both deep and superficial, in these days, would render necessary such a combination of members as would include the extremist forms of Ritualism, Socinianism [denial of Christ’s deity, Unitarianism], and Infidelity. Numerically and as scholars, these professors would be very strong, and experience will not allow us to believe that these learned persons, after years of thought and study in the same groove, fixed and sincere in their peculiar opinions, would not entertain (unknown to themselves no doubt) a decided bias towards special renderings of the sacred text (Lord Shaftesbury, as cited by Bissell, Historic Origin of the Bible, p. 355).​
 

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Joseph Philpot, Fellow of Worcester College, Oxford, and editor of The Gospel Standard, in 1857 gave this warning about a revision of the Authorized Version:

"1. Who are to undertake it? ... Of course they must be learned men, great critics, scholars, and divines. But these are notoriously either tainted with popery or infidelity. Where are the men, learned, yet sound in Truth, not to say alive unto God, who possess the necessary qualifications for so important a work? And can erroneous men, dead in trespasses and sins, carnal, worldly, ungodly persons, spiritually translate a book written by the blessed Spirit? We have not the slightest ground for hope that they would be godly men, such as we have reason to believe translated the Scriptures into our present version.

2. Again, it would unsettle the minds of thousands, as to which was the Word of God—the old translation or the new. What a door it would open for the workings of infidelity, or the temptations of Satan! What a gloom, too, it would cast over the minds of many of God’s saints, to have those passages which had been applied to their souls translated in a different way, and how it would seem to shake all their experience of the power and preciousness of God’s Word!

3. But besides all this, there would be two Bibles spread throughout all the land, the old and the new, and what confusion would this create in almost every place! At present, all sects and denominations agree in acknowledging our present version as to the standard of appeal. Nothing settles disputes so soon as when the contending parties have confidence in the same umpire and are willing to abide by his decision. But this Judge of all dispute, this Umpire of all controversy would cease to be the looser of strife if present acknowledged authority were put an end to by a rival.

4. If the new translation were once to begin, where would it end? It is good to let well enough alone, as it is easier to mar than to mend. ... The Socinianising Neologian would blot out ‘GOD’ in 1 Tim. 3.16, and strike out 1 John 5.7, as an interpolation. The Puseyite would mend it to suit his Tractarian views. ... Once set up a notice, ‘The Old Bible to be mended,’ and there would be plenty of workmen, who trying to mend the cover, would pull the pages to pieces. ... All our good Bible terms would be so mutilated that they would cease to convey the Spirit’s meaning and INSTEAD OF THE NOBLE SIMPLICITY, FAITHFULNESS, AND TRUTH OF OUR PRESENT VERSION, WE SHOULD HAVE A BIBLE THAT NOBODY WOULD ACCEPT AS THE WORD OF GOD, TO WHICH NONE COULD SAFELY APPEAL, AND ON WHICH NONE IMPLICITLY RELY.

5. Instead of our good old Saxon Bible, simple and solid, with few words obsolete, and alike majestic and beautiful, we should have a modern English translation in pert and flippant language of the day. ...

6. The present English Bible (Authorized Version) ... is, we believe, the grand bulwark of Protestantism; the safeguard of the Gospel, and the treasure of the church; and we should be traitors in every sense of the word if we consented to give it up to be rifled by the sacrilegious hands of the Puseyites, concealed Papists, German Neologians, infidel divines, Arminians, Socinians, and the whole tribe of enemies of God and godliness" (Joseph Charles Philpot, “The Authorized Version of 1611,” The Gospel Standard, April 1857; reprinted in The Authorized Version—1611 vs. The New English Bible: a Critical Review, Trinitarian Bible Society, 1961).
They sound like prophets to me.
 

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He? I thought RC was a she! Maybe because I'm a she, and you're a he. LOL Do you like butterflies too?

Oh really! : ) Well my apologies to RC if that's the case then.
As for butterflies, I don't think the female gender has an exclusive claim on them, LoL. Better a handsome butterfly than an embittered old buzzard.
 
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Oh really! : ) Well my apologies to RC if that's the case then.
As for butterflies, I don't think the female gender has an exclusive claim on them, LoL. Better a handsome butterfly than an embittered old buzzard.

She hasn't said in her profile. We are both assuming....
 

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There's only been one infallible person to walk this Earth: Jesus Christ. ...
Just as a thought, the Holy Ghost/Spirit is also an Person, and even now walks this earth in the place of Jesus Christ, but I get what you mean. :)
 

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Being an 'accurate' or 'faithful translation' of a corrupt text doesn't make the text itself, correct, does it? It is non-sequitur. The N/A and UBS texts (which constantly changes, N/A is on 28th edition now? (and the changes from 25-28 are tremendous) and UBS 5th now right? - Comparison NA28 - UBS5 :: academic-bible.com )

See the real deception of the NA28th edition - TEXTUAL WARFARE ! : Does NESTLE-ALAND 28th Edition of the Greek New Testament WEIGH the Evidence FAIRLY . . . in 1 JOHN 4:3 ?

What 'earliest MSS' are you referring to specifically, and what makes these accurate, and by what standard did you test?

ReChoired,

Your assumption is the Nestle-Aland and United Bible Society Greek texts are corrupt. You haven't demonstrated that for us.

You don't seem to understand the principles of textual criticism which are used to obtain the most accurate text. The reason why there are so many differences between 25-28 editions is because further examination of Greek MSS has uncovered textual information that helps to improve the biblical text.

The earliest MSS are the Alexandrian texts exemplified in the Codex Sinaiticus MSS stored in the British Library and the Codex Vaticanus MSS housed at the Vatican. A few years ago my Christian so visited the British Museum to view the Sinaiticus MSS. He told me: 'Tears streamed down my face as I viewed it'.

Luke 11:2 in Codex Sinaiticus (courtesy Wikipedia)

Oz
 

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ReChoired,

Your assumption is the Nestle-Aland and United Bible Society Greek texts are corrupt. You haven't demonstrated that for us....

Oz
I made no assumptions, but made statements based in real textual science (knowledge), and not 'science falsely so called'.




Oldest and Best Mss?

I have read numerous books on the issue, and paged through scanned mss online. Neither Vaticanus (codex B), nor Siniaticus (codex aleph) are 4th cent. They are counterfeits, with Sinaiticus a forgery and Vaticanus probably the most 'emended' (altered) text in existence, and both are false prophets, false witnesses (one from the desert, and the other from the secret chambers or inner rooms of the Vatican lie-brary), and thus in a spiritual manner:

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mat_24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.​

The scripture is to represent Jesus in written form, and yet these two, falsely represent Jesus.

"... According to The Westminster Dictionary of the Bible, "It should be noted . . . that there is no prominent Biblical (manuscripts) in which there occur such gross cases of misspelling, faulty grammar, and omission, as in (Codex) B." ...

... The entire manuscript has been mutilated...every letter has been run over with a pen, making exact identification of many of the characters impossible. Dr. David Brown observes: "I question the 'great witness' value of any manuscript that has been overwritten, doctored, changed and added to for more than 10 centuries." (The Great Unicals). ...

... Linguistic scholars have observed that Codex Vaticanus is reminiscent of classical and Platonic Greek, not Koine Greek of the New Testament (see Adolf Deissman's Light of the Ancient East). Nestle admitted that he had to change his Greek text (when using Vaticanus and Sinaiticus) to make it "appear" like Koine Greek. ...

... Codex Vaticanus contains the false Roman Catholic apocryphal books such as Judith, Tobias, and Baruch, while it omits the pastoral epistles (I Timothy through Titus), the Book of Revelation, and it cuts off the Book of Hebrews at Hebrews 9:14 (a very convenient stopping point for the Catholic Church, since God forbids their priesthood in Hebrews 10 and exposes the mass as totally useless as well!). ..." - Codex Vaticanus
More amazing is that those who desire to accept Siniaticus, somehow ignore the "Epistle of Barnabas", & "Shepherd of Hermas" that is clearly attached to it, while whole portion of Genesis are missing. According to quick source wiki:

"... While large portions of the Old Testament are missing, it is assumed that the codex originally contained the whole of both Testaments.[6] About half of the Greek Old Testament (or Septuagint) survived, along with a complete New Testament, the entire Deuterocanonical books, the Epistle of Barnabas and portions of The Shepherd of Hermas.[2] ..." - Codex Sinaiticus - Wikipedia

Those who accept it, merely desire it for its highly 'catholic' leanings, especially in the apocryphal materials it also contains, which was never accepted by Jews of the Apostles/disciples of Jesus.

Even the so-called Canon of Laodicea Canon LX does not give the 'Catholic' Canon.

"... Canon LX.

These are all the books of Old Testament appointed to be read: 1, Genesis of the world; 2, The Exodus from Egypt; 3, Leviticus; 4, Numbers; 5, Deuteronomy; 6, Joshua, the son of Nun; 7, Judges, Ruth; 8, Esther; 9, Of the Kings, First and Second; 10, Of the Kings, Third and Fourth; 11, Chronicles, First and Second; 12, Esdras, First and Second; 13, The Book of Psalms; 14, The Proverbs of Solomon; 15, Ecclesiastes; 16, The Song of Songs; 17, Job; 18, The Twelve Prophets; 19, Isaiah; 20, Jeremiah, and Baruch, the Lamentations, and the Epistle; 21, Ezekiel; 22, Daniel.

And these are the books of the New Testament: Four Gospels, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; The Acts of the Apostles; Seven Catholic Epistles, to wit, one of James, two of Peter, three of John, one of Jude; Fourteen Epistles of Paul, one to the Romans, two to the Corinthians, one to the Galatians, one to the Ephesians, one to the Philippians, one to the Colossians, two to the Thessalonians, one to the Hebrews, two to Timothy, one to Titus, and one to Philemon ..." - Link

No "sirach".

"The apocryphal books were not admitted into the canon of Scripture during the first four centuries of the Christian church. They are not mentioned in the catalogue of inspired writings made by Melito, bishop of Sardis, who flourished in the second century, nor in those of Origen, in the third century, of Athanasius, Hilary, Cyril of Jerusalem, Epiphanius, Gregory Nazianzen, Amphilochius, Jerome, Rufinus, and others of the fourth century; nor in the catalogue of canonical books recognized by the Council of Laodicea, held in the same century, whose canons were received by the Catholic Church; so that, as Bishop Burnet well observes, "we have the concurring sense of the whole church of God in this matter." To this decisive evidence against the canonical authority of the apocryphal books, we may add that they were never read in the Christian church until the fourth century, when, as Jerome informs us, they were read "for example of life and instruction of manners, but were not applied to establish any doctrine;" and contemporary writers state that although they were not approved as canonical or inspired writings, yet some of them, particularly Judith, Wisdom, and Ecclesiasticus, were allowed to be perused by catechumens. As proof that they were not regarded as canonical in the fifth century, Augustine relates that when the book of Wisdom was publicly read in the church, it was given to the readers or inferior ecclesiastical officers, who read it in a lower place than those books which were universally acknowledged to be canonical, which were read by the bishops and presbyters in a more eminent and conspicuous manner. To conclude: Notwithstanding the veneration in which these books were held by the Western Church, it is evident that the same authority was never ascribed to them as to the Old and New Testament; until the last Council of Trent, at its fourth session, presumed to place them all (excepting the prayer of Manasseh and the third and fourth books of Esdras) in the same rank with the inspired writings of Moses and the prophets." - An Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures. by Thomas Hartwell Horne, B.D. of Saint John's College, Cambridge; rector of the United Parishes of Saint Edmund the King and Martyr and Saint Nicholas Acons, Lombard Street; Prebendary of Saint Paul's; New Edition, from the Eighth London Edition, Corrected and Enlarged. Illustrated with numerous maps and fac-similies of Bilical Manuscripts. Volume I. Philadelphia: Published by J. Whetham & Son, 144 Chestnut Street. Stereotyped by L. Johnson. 1841.; page 426 (left column) - An Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures

How Many Books Are In The Old Testament?

Apocrypha, and the reasons they are not accepted as "canon":

"... 1. Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone (a little Syriac/Chaldee in Daniel, etc.) used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament.

2. Not one of the writers lays any claim to inspiration.

3. These books were never acknowledged as sacred Scriptures by the Jewish Church, and therefore were never sanctioned by our Lord.

4. They were not allowed a place among the sacred books, during the first four centuries of the Christian Church.

5. They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves; as when, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in as many different places.

6. It inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead...

7. It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation. ..." - Sam Gipp - https://samgipp.com/answerbook/?page=34.htm
 

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Your assumption is the Nestle-Aland and United Bible Society Greek texts are corrupt. You haven't demonstrated that for us.
That is not an assumption. Those two texts are simply Westcott & Hort warmed over.

You can go to Bible Hub to check for results regarding Acts 8:37. Here is what you will see:

Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
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Westcott and Hort 1881
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Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants] (NA = Nestle Aland)
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Now when you go to the traditional texts here is what you will see:

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
εἶπε δὲ ὁ Φίλιππος· εἰ πιστεύεις ἐξ ὅλης τῆς καρδίας, ἔξεστιν. ἀποκριθεὶς δὲ εἶπε· Πιστεύω τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ εἶναι τὸν Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν.
Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
εἰπε δὲ ὁ Φίλιππος, Εἰ πιστεύεις ἐξ ὅλης τὴς καρδίας, ἔξεστιν. ἀποκριθεὶς δὲ εἷπε, Πιστεύω τὸν ὑιὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐιναι τὸν Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν.
Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
εἶπεν δὲ ὁ Φίλιππος Εἰ πιστεύεις ἐξ ὅλης τὴς καρδίας, ἔξεστιν ἀποκριθεὶς δὲ εἶπεν Πιστεύω τὸν ὑιὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐιναι τὸν Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν

And this is a crucial verse in that passage since without it the passage makes absolutely no sense.

THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

AN IMPORTANT QUESTION IS ASKED
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

THE PROPER ANSWER IS GIVEN
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

THE RESULT IS THE BAPTISM OF A BELIEVER
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Now with verse 37 missing there is no answer to that crucial question. So why was this verse EXPUNGED? Because baptismal regeneration had already become a doctrine within the churches by 400 AD. This verse clearly teaches believer's baptism only, and neither infants nor young children can respond to the Gospel.

And W & H was clearly based on primarily two of the most corrupt Greek manuscripts -- Aleph (Sinaiticus) and B (Vaticanus). This conclusion is based upon solid biblical research from the 19th century. So you will need to study the works of Burgon, Scrivener, Hoskier, and other who did their due diligence and exposed the fraudulent text of Westcott & Hort.
 
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I made no assumptions, but made statements based in real textual science (knowledge), and not 'science falsely so called'....
Furthermore:

"PAPYRUS........................(ALEPH) SINAITICUS......(B) VATICANUS........TEXTUS RECEPTUS

p 45 agrees with......................19 times..........................24 times................32 times

p 66 agrees with......................14 times..........................29 times................33 times

p 75 agrees with.......................9 times...........................33 times................29 times

p 45, 66, 75 agrees with..........4 times...........................18 times.................20 times

p 45, 66 agrees with.................7 times............................3 times...................8 times

(The above chart data, taken from A Survey of the Researches into the Western Text of the Gospel & Acts; part two 1949-1969, by A.F.K. Klijn.)


Papyrus (p45) contains excerpts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts. It is presently in the Chester Beatty Museum, Dublin, Ireland.

Papyrus (p66) contains excerpts from the Gospel of John. It is presently located at Cologne/Geneve, in the Bibliotheque Bodmer.

Papyrus (p75) contains excerpts of Luke and John. It is presently located at Cologne/Geneve, in the Bibliotheque Bodmer.​

Note, please, that these lately discovered manuscript fragments, agree more frequently with the Textus Receptus, than they do with Westcott and Hort's favored Aleph and B (Sinaiticus and Vaticanus). P45 is thought to date from the 3rd century. P66 is dated circa 200 A.D. And, P75 is dated from the beginning of the 3rd century. But more research has been coming out lately that affirms these Papyri actually date to the 4th century.

Nicholas Lunn has recently done his own collations and tells us: "The P75 Bodmer Papyrus XV contains John 1-15 and disagrees with both Sinaiticus and Vaticanus and agrees with the Byzantine text type at John 1:18, 4:31, 5:12, 8:41, 8:52, 9:11, 9:16, 9:17, 10:27, 10:29, and 12:9. Thus an Alexandrian manuscript that is more than 100 years earlier and in the same family as Vaticanus and Sinaiticus preferred the Byzantine text type in the indicated instances.

The P45 Chester Beatty Papyrus contains Mark and disagrees with both Sinaiticus and Vaticanus and agrees with the Byzantine text type at Mark 5:42, 6:2, 6:22, 6:41, 7:5, 7:6, 7:12, 7:29, 7:31, 7:32, 7:35, 8:20, 8:36, 9:2, 9:6, 9:20, and 11:28. Thus an Alexandrian manuscript that is about 100 years earlier and in the same family as Vaticanus and Sinaiticus preferred the Byzantine text type in the indicated instances." - Papyrus 75 - Wikipedia
Papyrus 45 - Wikipedia

For a discussion of the Paparii (P75, P66, P45, etc.) and their Egyptian Gnostic sources, see Bridge to Babylon: Rome, Ecumenism & The Bible - A Lamp in the Dark Part lll at the 2:09 mark and forward.

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"... SINAITICUS (Aleph) completely omits the following verses while they are found in Vaticanus. Matthew 24:35 - "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away"; Luke 10:32 - "And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side."; Luke 17:35 - "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."; John 9:38 - "And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. And Jesus said"(omitted in Sinaiticus original and P75, but found in Vaticanus and P66); John 16:15 - "All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."; John 21:25 - "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."; and I Corinthians 2:15- "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." and 13:1b -2 - "I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not - (charity, I am nothing)."

(As a side note, there are many sections and even whole books missing from the Old Testament. Aleph -"Sinaiticus: written more than 200 years after the completion of the New Testament. It omits Genesis 23:19-24:46, Numbers 5:27-7:20, 1 Chronicles 9:27-19:17, all of Exodus, Joshua, 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, Hosea, Amos, Micah, Ezekiel, Daniel and Judges. It contains New Testament Apocrypha.)

Here you can see a page of the Sinaiticus manuscript that shows the many changes that were being made to it over the years. ...

... VATICANUS omits the following verses while Sinaiticus retains them: Matthew 12:47. Luke 23:17 - This verse is omitted in B and the NASB, NIV yet it is in Sinaiticus and the Majority of all Greek texts "For of necessity he must release on onto them at the feast."

Yet B omits Luke 23:34 "Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" while it is retained in Sinaiticus and this time kept in the NASB, NIV. Go figure.

In the gospels alone, both SINAITICUS and VATICANUS omit the following verses. Matthew 17:21, 18:11, 23:17; Mark 7:16, 9:44, 46, 11:26, 15:28; Luke 9:55-56, 17:36, and John 5:4. They are all found in the majority of the remaining Greek texts we have today. The NASB of 1972 omitted these verses, but in 1977 put them back [in brackets]. The NIV continues to omit these verses entirely." - https://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm

Some might ask, "How can you use the word "omit", rather than "differ", for one implies motive or intent?"

Omission, and even addition, does not inherently carry the motive of intent, per se, as they may happen through carelessness, accident, but it does not leave out the possibility of direct intent, or purposeful direction, especially when taken into consideration on the whole, and the surrounding, or other contextual 'emendations' that when appearing together, alter doctrine. A for instance of this, would be the clear 'emendations' found in the NWT of the WTS/JW, even though their 'translation' is based upon (Sinaiticus) Aleph, (Vaticanus) B, (Alexandrinus) A, etc.

"... Vaticanus also omits Luke 22:43-44 "And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground."

Vaticanus omits all of these two verses.

Sinaiticus original had them in the text. Then a scribe took them out, and then another on put them back in again! They are also missing from A and P75. The Nestle-Aland critical text puts Luke 22:43-44 in [[double brackets]] indicating that they do not believe this is inspired Scripture. Yet these two verses are found in the Majority of all texts including D plus at least 18 other uncial copies, the Syriac Peshitta, Harclean, Palestinian, Curetonian, Armenian, Ethiopic and Coptic Boharic ancient versions.

Justin (100-165 A.D.), says, "For in the memoirs which I say were drawn up by His Apostles and those who followed them, it is recorded that His sweat fell down like drops of blood while He was praying, and saying, If it be possible, let this cup pass" (Trypho 103:24) ..." - https://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm
So, while deviation from the original is not always evil, it may indeed, sometimes come from the deviant, but what is quite frightening, is that 'modern versionists only' do not ever think that such possibility, or even probability, exists, and think the devil, never messed with scripture, ever, in the last 2000 years through the human instrument, even though, the scripture itself, and those of the past, who have written record, and testify of history from their day, do so acknowledge that such has happened, and would continue to happen.

Yet, the 'modern versionist only' group, have a mantra, silently repeated, 'We shall be as gods, knowing good and evil' to the intent that they think that they are the ones wise enough to determine between this and that 'reading' based upon their own minds and reasoning, such as 'the shorter reading is always to be preferred ...' (notice that last word, carefully).