Age of Earth/Mankind Bible Study Thread - Sacred Chronology

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Jay Ross

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Not at all, I interpreted nothing, and simply quoted the texts in what it says:

"Now" (present tense, not future as you 'privately interpreted'), and is even given twice in the same sentence by Jesus.

The same word is used in Revelation 12:10, "Now" and speaks of "salvation" and "strength", which is exactly what Romans 5:6 (by Paul, inspired of the Holy Ghost/Spirit) refers to, saying, "strength", "in due time" (prophecy of Daniel 9, fulfilled in Christ Jesus), "Christ died" (AD 31) "for the ungodly".

Jesus Christ, at Calvary, through his shed blood and sacrifice bought everything, and reclaimed "dominion", which was usurped by the devil in Eden (serpent), from Adam the first, and is now back into the hands of Adam the Last. Satan cannot access the gates of Heaven anymore, and is the reason for the following texts:

1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Notice, the "devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about" (that is on this earth), "seeking whom he may devour".

Rev_12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

When Jesus died, resurrected and later ascended, Heaven rejoiced.

Luk_15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Psalms 24 is the triumphal song even in Jesus ascension to go back "home", to that "far country", even "the end of Heaven" (Isaiah 13:5).

Your defence of your “private interpretation” of John 12:31 demonstrates how you are twisting scripture to justify your interpretation. You speak as a scholar but the reality is that you are not.

From my study of this verse, I cannot come to the same conclusion as you have.

As such you have not provided any proof for you claims above.



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If One can precisely calculate the age of the Earth, then One should be able to easily calculate the end of the Earth with the same amount of precision.

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So am I to assume the Space/Time continuum has gone on all these years completely uninterrupted by the Hand of God?

Did the Tower of Babel incident occur without altering the timeline?

Genesis 11:9
"Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth"


Can anyone prove that all of the above happened without altering Earth's geology?

Don't forget this verse...

1 Chronicles 1:19
"And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother’s name was Joktan"


Did God divide the Continents?

What about the Flood?

What if time passed normally inside of the Ark, yet passed differently outside of it?

What if Noah experienced 360 days with the LORD, yet the Earth aged 360,000 years?

2 Peter 3:8
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"


Can anyone prove that this did NOT happen?

The point I'm making is that no one ever considers Supernatural occurrences that can throw a monkey wrench into these calculations.

Oh and isn't it funny that Scientists say the first so called 'modern' Humans arrived between 300,000 and 400,000 years ago?

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If One can precisely calculate the age of the Earth, then One should be able to easily calculate the end of the Earth with the same amount of precision.

:rolleyes:
That I can calculate the beginning through the dates and historical material in scripture and elsewhere, in no way says that I can calculate the exact (date) ending of all things (we only have a general idea of time, though the events are specific). Non-sequitur. I can rightly tabulate the birth date of someone given enough information, but that says nothing about their death.
 

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So am I to assume the Space/Time continuum has gone on all these years completely uninterrupted by the Hand of God?
No assumption necessary, God told us in the word that time has been constant. Jesus knew exactly what time it was, even after 4,000 years:

Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.​

Did the Tower of Babel incident occur without altering the timeline?

Genesis 11:9
"Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth"
Yes, an event, does not alter "time". Language doesn't change "time", it only changes how one states the "time". There is also a present listing of the worlds languages, which shows that the 7th day is "sabbath" in those languages the world over.

Paul knew exactly what "time" it was, just as the children of Issachar did in the OT:

1Ch_12:32 And of the children of Issachar, which were men that had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do; the heads of them were two hundred; and all their brethren were at their commandment.

Rom_13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.​

... Can anyone prove that all of the above happened without altering Earth's geology? ...
Earth's geology was altered by the flood, even before Babel. See Genesis 6-9, and Noah still knew the time, even down to months and days:

Gen 8:14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.​

That "geology" (landmass, water level, desertification, ice sheets, etc, etc) continued to change after the flood, doesn't affect "time". It affects location/position on earth.

... Don't forget this verse...

1 Chronicles 1:19
"And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother’s name was Joktan"
Why would it be forgotten? More importantly, what does the text have to do with "time"? Nothing. Time remains unchanged. That persons can be separated by water (oceans), mountain, swamp, desert, ice sheet, etc, doesn't affect the days of the week - at all. Time was still moving in Genesis 1-2, in that day 1 existed before mountains/hill even existed, and time flowed onward as it became day 2, day 3, etc and hills, etc were made by God (even Jesus by command of the Father).

Did God divide the Continents?
Surely, but again, it is non-sequitur in regards to "time". The day passes (time moves forward) whether a man is alive on this or that piece of land.

What about the Flood?
Totally global.

What if time passed normally inside of the Ark, yet passed differently outside of it?
"What if ..." is not scripture, not "thus saith the Lord", not "It is written." It is mere faulty conjecture and denial of the word written, for as shown above, Noah kept track of time out of the Ark, in the Ark, and out of the Ark again, and God was present in the Ark the entire "time" (Genesis 7:16).

What if Noah experienced 360 days with the LORD, yet the Earth aged 360,000 years?
The flood actually lasted about 375 days (Genesis 7:11, 8:14) not counting the 7 days inside before it rained. God was in the Ark with Noah, see Genesis 7:16). So, according to your confusion and wresting of 2 Peter 3:8, it would be the other way round (Noah would be 375+,000 days old (which, of course, is just nonsense), while outside would be just the 375 regular days), and so even according to your own eisegesis of 2 Peter 3:8 you are in error.

2 Peter 3:8
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"
2 Peter 3:8 is in the context of the days of Creation, see the previous verses, in which the normal 24hr consecutive days there, take on a secondary meaning, in that as God created in the 6 days, and rested the 7th day (His sabbath; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27; Revelation 1:10, etc), so too is the entire span of this worlds history to be, as repeated (Ecclesiastes 1:9, 3:15, etc), in 6000 years with the 7th, 1000 year (millennium, of Revelation 20; Isaiah 24, etc), which then comes in the New Heavens, New Earth, in the new everlasting cycle.

Can anyone prove that this did NOT happen?
Just did, by context. First of all, it is your assertion, and you would have to prove your points validity. Your assertion is not granted as foundational truth.

The point I'm making ...
You made no point, but you did make something of yourself though.

... is that no one ever considers Supernatural occurrences that can throw a monkey wrench into these calculations.
The Flood was supernatural. It was accounted for, by scripture, even according to "time". The Birth, Life, Death, Burial, Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus were all according to "time", right on "time". All of it "supernatural".

Oh and isn't it funny that Scientists
Scripture warned:

1Ti_6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:​

It truly is "folly". They (false scientists) mock at scripture, as surely as those mocked at Noah right before it flooded.

... say the first so called 'modern' Humans arrived between 300,000 and 400,000 years ago?
All based upon misrepresentation of the data, facts, and some dates just picked out of the thin aether.

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No assumption necessary, God told us in the word that time has been constant.
It's obvious my post went right over your head.

I will give a simple example of our Timeline being altered...

2 Kings 20:11
"And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz"


In the above verse, God made Time go backwards, yet the Prophet aged normally.
 

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It's obvious my post went right over your head.

I will give a simple example of our Timeline being altered...

2 Kings 20:11
"And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz"


In the above verse, God made Time go backwards, yet the Prophet aged normally.
'Time' didn't go backwards. The shadow moved in relation to the sun and the sundial. 'Time' still moved forwards. All the water clocks (which the Jews had, and others) still continued forward, and the sand hour glasses still flowed, and other time keeping devices in Israel and other nations surrounding. What God did was planetary, showing His power over the heavenly bodies, which others worshipped as 'gods'.
 

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What is the purpose of sacred history, sacred chronology, and even the prophecy thereof?

2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
It is so that we may know, and not guess, that God is over all and believe in Jesus Christ, and that He, the Sun of Righteousness may indwell in us through the word by the Holy Ghost in the fullness of His glory:

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Joh_14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.​
 

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Has Time been lost? Nope.



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Currently you can go to AIG or creation.com for articles etc on the age of the earth.
The claim that the earth is only about 6000 years old is unscientific nonsense and is based on a erroneous interpretation of Scripture. I believe Adam was created 6000-10000 years ago, but the earth and non-human life are much, much older than that. I'm not a Darwinist, btw.
 

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The claim that the earth is only about 6000 years old is unscientific nonsense ...
No, it is scientific (knowledgeable) fact of scriptural chronology as demonstrated in this thread, which links directly to astronomical events, and kings and known dates in history.

Wake Up

The Real Issue

The Great Clock Of Time

7 Days

Great Work, Little Time, Part 1
 

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Continued ...

Great Work, Little Time, Part 2


Bell And Pomegrante, Part 1

Bell and Pomegranate, Part 2

Red Pill

Duties Of The Congregation 1
 
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Satan knows that he hath a short time (Revelation 12:12), since Calvary (approx 4,000 yearsish from Adam's fall), for there are only 6 days in which to work the works of the world ... and so the devil complained about the "time" (Matthew 8:29).
 

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Here is an interesting chart

Yes, if you are an indoctrinated SDA member, it shows the teaching of the SDA Church, but from my perspective, it is very flawed as it does not reflect the biblical events that have occurred since 1844 which are missing from this chart. Since they are missing from your interesting chart, the chart is in need of lots of correction to bring the chart up to date with respect to this present time and the understanding that has moved on from where the SDA church was back in 1844.

Shalom