Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?

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Not another one of these pathetic posts where they post a passage they have no clue what it is even saying, and can't be bothered to present an argument to go along with it.

More straw. Nowhere is anyone claiming to work for their salvation. You have no argument. Look at what you just posted why don't you? What's the problem? "unbelief". You don't believe, so you're really just convicting yourself. You just pretend that people are claiming that they must keep the law to be saved when no one is making that claim at all. Pathetic.

Thank you. God bless you
 

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1st Evening Part - [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]
1st Morning [Light] Part - [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1]

Abib/Nisan 14th; Christ Jesus our Passover is Sacrificed for us - [1 Corinthians 5:7],

<Abib/Nisan 14th> started sunset in Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 John 13:1 with its <1st Evening Part> (1Corinthians 11:23) that followed up until its "night" part began in John 13:30 as after Luke 22:14 on, after Matthew 26:20 on, after Mark 14:17 on, and extended through Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30 up until <<1st Morning [Light] Part - Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1>>
 
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Look at the alternative. If Christianity didn't adapt to its surroundings, we would all be keeping the Sabbath, observing the dietary laws, refraining from borrowing money at interest, etc. etc. etc. We would all be observing the same laws that Jesus, and all his apostles, and disciples originally observed.
oh goodness, God forbid that would dare imitate the early NT church.

This is a curious thread.

The earliest Christians were Jews who did observe the Sabbath (this was not only a religious issue but related to national identity). But thus does not mean the early church (inclusive of Gentiles) observed the Sabbath.

The thought that Sunday replaced Saturday as the Sabbath is wrong. The point of Sunday is the New Covenant (new creation, the kingdom here) having entered into Christ's Sabbath through rebirth.

In other words, the Sabbath has been fulfilled, Christians have entered into this Rest, and Christ's resurrection teaches us to worship EVERYDAY.
That all sounds very nice and religious.. Pity you can't substantiate it biblically.
 

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oh goodness, God forbid that would dare imitate the early NT church.


That all sounds very nice and religious.. Pity you can't substantiate it biblically.
Actually, I can.

Read Acts. The earliest Christians were Jews. A major issue for them was salvation to the Gentiles (read Romans). The Jewish Christians observed Jewish customs (it was a part of their identity) and maintained the customs. But they did not require this of Gentiles (read Acts).
 
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Actually, I can.

Read Acts. The earliest Christians were Jews. A major issue for them was salvation to the Gentiles (read Romans). The Jewish Christians observed Jewish customs (it was a part of their identity) and maintained the customs. But they did not require this of Gentiles (read Acts).
You should read what you recommend. Did not an entire Gentile city turn out to hear Paul's preaching, at their request, the following Sabbath?
 

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[the sixth [day] of the week; preparation]

Gather twice as much, Christ Jesus the anti-typical Manna, Exodus 16:25,26

The "spices" "had been" [Mark 16:1] purchased sometime after the Crucifixion and before burial so that they could "prepare" [Luke 23:56] them to bring on the "first [day] of the week" [Luke 24:1], even as we see Joseph of Arimathaea doing for the linen - [Mark 14:46]

1st Evening Part - [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]
1st Morning [Light] Part - [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1]

Abib/Nisan 14th; Christ Jesus our Passover is Sacrificed for us - [1 Corinthians 5:7],

[the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God]

Jesus remained in the Tomb all Sabbath - anti-type Manna

Your masterpiece in thunderous subtlety <<<the sixth [day] of the week; preparation...1st Evening Part - [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]...1st Morning [Light] Part - [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1]...Abib/Nisan 14th; Christ Jesus our Passover is Sacrificed for us - [1 Corinthians 5:7]...the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God...Jesus remained in the Tomb all Sabbath - anti-type Manna>>>!

No, not your lie of SUBSTITUTING <<the sixth [day] of the week; preparation>> for "the Preparation OF THE PASSOVER" of John 19:14 Abib/Nisan 14th in <[Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]>,

not your lie of twisting and adding <<Jesus remained in the Tomb all Sabbath>>,

but your lie of OMITTING everything that IS WRITTEN in between AFTER <[Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]...[Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1]> and BEFORE <<the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God>>

which is your LIE in a word of COVERING UP THE TRUTH contained in Mark 15:42f Matthew 27:57f Luke 23:50f John 13:1-38f, the TRUTH of
The Preparation having begun which is the Fore-Sabbath and it was evening already .. CAME THERE JOSEPH...”--, the same Friday “since the Preparation had begun and That Day was great-day-sabbath (of passover)” = Matthew 27:57-61 = Luke 23:50-56a--- the TRUTH of
"That Day" which the 'WHOLE DAY' following, was the day of Abib 15 and <<the sixth [day] of the week; preparation>> "which is the Fore-Sabbath" with "the Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment .. mid-afternoon, nearing" Luke 23:54-56 cf. John 19:42.
 
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You should read what you recommend. Did not an entire Gentile city turn out to hear Paul's preaching, at their request, the following Sabbath?
I think you are referring to Paul attending the synagogue "as was his custom" and preaching to the Jews on the Sabbath. The Gentiles begged that Paul would preach to them the next Sabbath.

I seems as if you believe this as evidence Gentiles are commanded to observe the Sabbath (which is nice, but a pitty it is not actually supported by the passage).
 
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If im the unbelieving one, why are you so frustrated with me...

It isn't frustration. It's an observation. It is pathetic to see someone who claims to be saved, openly and shamelessly asking why they shouldn't sin. Everyone who entered into the Old Covenant could have told you the answer to that question, but someone who claims to be under the New Covenant believes that the fact that Christ condemns sin in the flesh somehow relieves them of obligation to flee from sin. Instead we are told that you are still living according to the flesh, yet also part of the New Covenant. The author of Hebrews clearly points out that there remains no more sacrifice for sin under the new covenant, and only those sins committed under the old testament are covered, but for some unknown reason, you claim that you're the exception. You can now sin with impunity under the New Covenant even though God reveals that those who he gives a new heart to will then keep his commandments. Everyone that is, except for you. You're special. You get to keep sinning because, well the only apparent reason seems to be that you want to. That's the carnal mind, and the carnal mind cannot be subject to God's commandments ever. I've got some good news for everyone else though, they don't have to associate with those who believe they can sin for eternity.

satan wants people in church, Christ desires people in Him, I know where I would rather be.

What difference does it make if there is sin in Christ? You keep assuming that there can be sin in Christ. There can never be any sin in Christ. You may desire to be in Christ, but then each and every observant Jew desires nothing more than to see Christ's kingdom as well. You're no different than they are. You claim to recognize Christ, but you ignore Christ in every single Jew you meet because you don't think they have accepted Christ. Christ rebuked his own followers for being bigots because they told people who they didn't know to stop casting out demons in his name. The more things change, the more they stay the same. At least an observant Jew has enough sense to see he's still operating under the Old Testament. At least they can see the difference between the Old and the New. You're just conflating them.
 

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Oh no, not another one of these Sabbath keeping post, God how long must you contend with mankind,...

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Far to many trying to show God how good they are.. So few wiling to lay it all before Christ...

…these Sabbath keeping posters Far too many trying to show God how good they are.. So few wiling to lay it all before Christ... or, perhaps Many trying to lay it all before Christ to show God how good they are.
 

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Actually, I can.

Read Acts. The earliest Christians were Jews. A major issue for them was salvation to the Gentiles (read Romans). The Jewish Christians observed Jewish customs (it was a part of their identity) and maintained the customs. But they did not require this of Gentiles (read Acts).

False. You're conflating a doctrine with an assumed outcome. The doctrine is that no one is justified by keeping ANY and ALL of the Mosaic law. There are a number of examples provided for our edification, but Paul's doctrine is that no one is justified or made righteous by keeping ANY of God's commandments. The logical fallacy which you are employing is to assume that it necessarily follows that the commandments are now done away with. This is the fallacy of the Non Sequitur. It does not follow that just because no one is justified for being faithful to their spouse that one may now leave their spouse, and hook up with any number of other people. Just because no one is justified by being truthful, it doesn't then follow that we may now bear false witness against our neighbors.

Paul sees his fellow Jews breaking God's commandments while insisting that these gentile converts keep the law. He sees their hypocrisy. To see that someone is a hypocrite doesn't negate the commandments of God. He is simply pointing out that if you're not going to keep God's commandments, then there is no point in observing a rite of initiation into a system of laws that are just going to be ignored anyways. It's pointless. It's the Old Covenant. Under Christianity's idea of the New Covenant, Christians believe that they should baptize each other which is just another way of initiating their converts into a system of beliefs and laws that they already admit they are going to break as well. The more things change the more they stay the same.
 

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openly and shamelessly asking why they shouldn't sin.

No, i am just admitting that I am no differnt to any other man, only difference is I am saved in Christ and Sin is no longer a concern, you on the other hand, claim to be perfect as He is perfect, no longer angry at your brother, no longer having bad thoughts, no longer stealing , no longer the imperfect human. When I said I found another Jesus, I meant you, as you claim to be as He is and not the first to make that claim.. As for sin, no man has ever needed an excuse to sin, as you so blatantly put it. But we shall take this one back to where it belongs.

As for covenants, how can a man be held accountable under a covenant that was never his.??
 
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No, i am just admitting that I am no differnt to any other man, only difference is I am saved in Christ and Sin is no longer a concern,

I understand your position. That alone is not going to be enough to defend your position. Simply making the claim isn't going to cut it.
you on the other hand, claim to be perfect as He is perfect,

I have already pointed out that this is not only the fallacy of the Ad Hominem, but it is a blatant lie. You are making false accusations against me. If you persist in these lies, I am going to report you. I dare you to find one single post anywhere on any forum I have ever posted where I claim to be perfect. Put up or shut up. You're a chronic compulsive liar. I have never made that claim ever.
 

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You are making false accusations against me
You said you are without sin ,no longer sin therefore you must be perfect because only one who is perfect cannot sin, just like Christ, But if the truth upsets you please report me.
 
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…these Sabbath keeping posters Far too many trying to show God how good they are.. So few wiling to lay it all before Christ... or, perhaps Many trying to lay it all before Christ to show God how good they are.
Well that wont work, if one lays it all before Christ it can only be because they know they are not that good. Nothing hidden from God..no matter how many layers we try to hide ourselves.
 

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Some attempt to utilize Matthew 26:2, incorrectly, but notice that they say "after two days" points to (Wednesday, Thursday), and so land upon 'Thursday' [5th [day] of the week] in completion for the Crucifixion/Passover, but this cannot be, due to the very time table and language of the text itself.

Hosea 6:2

It’s not <some attempting>-- it’s me showing fact-- Scripture-fact! Show, mention who else. You are scared to answer, me, and that’s why you ‘answer’ here with straw stalks which I am going to burn to ashes now with fire from Scripture.

WillieT, just to annoy you, listen to this, listen with your mate ‘ReChoired’ alias ‘Grailhunter’, No one ever in the history of Scripture commentary has noticed, taken cognisance, realised, sensed, marked the two references to “after two days” in Matthew 26:2 and Mark 14:1 are totally separate, different and independent texts of Scripture. EVERY commentator (or whatever) has without exception always, identified or tried to identify them.

But is

Matthew 26:1-2
Καὶ ἐγένετο ὅτε ἐτέλεσεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς πάντας τοὺς λόγους τούτους,
And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings,

εἶπεν τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ 2 Οἴδατε ὅτι μετὰ δύο ἡμέρας τὸ πάσχα γίνεται
he said unto his disciples, Ye know that after two days is the passover,

καὶ ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου παραδίδοται εἰς τὸ σταυρωθῆναι.
and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

“Jesus saying .. the passover to be crucified = sacrificed” = Abib 14,

is it

Mark 14:1,2
Ἦν δὲ τὸ πάσχα καὶ τὰ ἄζυμα μετὰ δύο ἡμέρας.
After two days the passover of unleavened bread (feast days)

καὶ ἐζήτουν οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς καὶ οἱ γραμματεῖς πῶς αὐτὸν
and the chief priests and the scribes sought how

ἐν δόλῳ κρατήσαντες ἀποκτείνωσιν,
they might take him by craft, and put him to death.

2 ἔλεγον γάρ Μὴ ἐν τῇ ἑορτῇ, μή ποτε ἔσται θόρυβος τοῦ λαοῦ.
But they said, Not on the feast... lest there be an uproar of the people.

= Matthew 26:3-5
Τότε συνήχθησαν οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς καὶ οἱ πρεσβύτεροι τοῦ λαοῦ
Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people,

εἰς τὴν αὐλὴν τοῦ ἀρχιερέως τοῦ λεγομένου Καϊάφα,
unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,

4 καὶ συνεβουλεύσαντο ἵνα τὸν Ἰησοῦν δόλῳ
And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty,

κρατήσωσιν καὶ ἀποκτείνωσιν· 5 ἔλεγον δέ Μὴ ἐν τῇ ἑορτῇ,
and kill him. 5 But they said, Not on the Feast (it’s first day Abib 15),

ἵνα μὴ θόρυβος γένηται ἐν τῷ λαῷ.
lest there be an uproar among the people.

= Luke 22:1,2
Ἤγγιζεν δὲ ἡ ἑορτὴ τῶν ἀζύμων ἡ λεγομένη Πάσχα.
...the Feast of unleavened bread (Abib 15) drew nigh which is called the passover.

2 καὶ ἐζήτουν οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς καὶ οἱ γραμματεῖς τὸ πῶς
And the chief priests and scribes sought how

ἀνέλωσιν αὐτόν· ἐφοβοῦντο γὰρ τὸν λαόν.
they might kill him (two days on); for they feared the people.

… it is NOT! “Jesus saying” is not the priests conniving; Jesus Crucified is not Jesus BURIED! Two days before or to Crucifixion is not two days before or to Burial! Crucifixion and Burial happened on consecutive, different, separate, DIVINE PROPHETIC PREDETERMINED days which “the Christ according to the Scriptures, OUGHT TO have suffered”.

I distance myself from the liar who denies it, so help me God!
 
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You said you are without sin ,no longer sin therefore you must be perfect because only one who is perfect cannot sin, just like Christ, But if the truth upsets you please report me.

Correct. That is under the New Covenant.
And he most certainly does grant a new heart to those he has chosen to enter into the New Covenant which not only leads them, but enables them to keep God's laws perfectly. Do you keep God's laws perfectly? The proof is easily appraised by the evidence.

It is reasonable to assume Shnarkle refers to himself as one who is chosen to enter into the New Covenant. Then based on his statement quoted above he is enabled to keep God's laws perfectly. And this assumption is reinforced by the challenge issued: "Do you keep God's laws perfectly?" In this challenge he makes no allusions to being unable to meet it himself. mjrhealth makes the argument: "one who is perfect cannot sin." So he made the logical conclusion that Snarkle implied that he is without sin because he claimed to perfectly obey God's law.

I hope this enables you both to resolve your disagreement.
 
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