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Can you see the Kingdom of God in your midst?

  • Yes I can

    Votes: 7 53.8%
  • No I cant

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • I dont understand the question

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • The kingdom has not fully come in yet

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .

mjrhealth

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That's fine, your two Biblical quotes offer some weight to the principle itself, but I'm certain that they do not pertain to your alleged circumstance.
Do you care to remark on how it was possible to bring either yourself or Jesus back in time, in order for both of you to converse during the crucifixion?
Or, divulge what God looks like?
You also claimed that the testimony regarding Christ in John 3:31-33, was pertaining to you, for you said 'Ive being to heaven, seeing God once, was given my testimony, this one'. When the passage is clearly and exclusively Christological.

Do you truly believe that I'm being an upstart and unjustifiably critical, by denouncing your claims?
What do you expect me to think, you've done nothing more than speak implausible nonsense claiming it to come from God. No different than Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar or Joyce Meyers claim?
Why nothing I have seen nothing I have being shown is unavailable to you, its all there, you just need to ask, is it Gods fault that men have no faith in Him. I could care less wheter you believe it or not, it is no skin off my nose and takes away nothing from my salvation or Gods plan for my life. God knew there would be many like you. Claim to be christian ,

Mar_7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
 

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For me, what I've envisioned is God's people, working together, freely, openly, with full understanding of each other's role/influence in shaping the world to the glory of God. I think that's how I answer it. Working freely with God, free of miscommunication that language presents. Knowing each others role with clarity at any moment.
To "envision" would not be real, but to imagine. Which is fine...but as "experiences" go, that is not really experiencing the kingdom.

And, your poll question is backwards. One does not experience the kingdom of God in their midst, but rather they experience themselves in the midst of the kingdom. That is what is meant by being "in Christ" and "in God." In the world, we must decrease and He must increase.

Nonetheless, there is no harm in loving God so much as to imagine being in His presence. On the contrary, it is good.
 
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Why nothing I have seen nothing I have being shown is unavailable to you, its all there, you just need to ask, is it Gods fault that men have no faith in Him. I could care less wheter you believe it or not, it is no skin off my nose and takes away nothing from my salvation or Gods plan for my life. God knew there would be many like you. Claim to be christian ,

Mar_7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
I am testing the spirit, in other words, not everyone who claims to have seen visions, have truly seen them.
I am testing your visions, and have concluded that yours are false.

1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Colossians 2:18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.

You refuse to answer critical questions about what you actually saw, and how they are actually physically possible.
You incriminate yourself, and disgrace God with such bogus epiphanies, ...and then you call me the troublemaker.
For even when you're confronted to justify your claims, you rebuttal with the quintessential charlatan remark, 'how do you know what I've seen?'
Shame on you!
 

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. . .They be born again, of water and spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh and Spirit to spirit.

My question to those who are born again...
What do you "see" ? Just to compare with my own experiences.

John 3:3-8

Blessings

Our Savior was and is our Example! The Kingdom is to be of us as we walk out our Live's as though we are in the Kingdom, we are to become as He was in overcoming this world as He did! I Pray that I have been Begotten, as the seed is planted and has began to grow! to be Born Again is to become as He is in His Present State!!

Flesh give's birth to flesh, rightly said! - [Corruptible]- Mortal
Spirit gives birth to Spirit - Born Again [Anew] - [Uncorrupt able] - Immortal
 
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. . .They be born again, of water and spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh and Spirit to spirit.

My question to those who are born again...
What do you "see" ? Just to compare with my own experiences.

John 3:3-8

Blessings
This is the list of entities we come unto after being born again. Some are visible but most are invisible....

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


We will see all of this kingdom when we die or are raptured.
 

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. . .They be born again, of water and spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh and Spirit to spirit.

My question to those who are born again...
What do you "see" ? Just to compare with my own experiences.

John 3:3-8

Blessings
Just point of note, you misquoted the passage. It does not say born again, of water and spirit.
 

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I suppose that is a relevant passage, but I'd like to point out that I'm not asking out of desire to put myself ahead of anyone or tickle my ego. I'm just genuinely curious as to how others have interacted with the aforementioned scripture John 3:3-8

How have others experienced the Kingdom of God at present? Does anyone's experience differ from my own? If so, I want to get to the bottom of it for the sake of my soul.

Blessings

What is your experience of the kingdom?

I don't think that many have any idea what the kingdom even is. Remember we are part of a religion of salvation that claims all the verses but without the power that shows we are walking in the Spirit and truth.
 

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Well this got ugly quick.
Of course. :) People throw around insults when they have no argument. Maybe these should show a basic human maturity and forego on a topic they have no understanding about. I don't think people here with few exceptions know about the kingdom of God as more than just an imaginary concept. Certainly not a place for us to walk in so as to walk IN Him. It is just the sign of the times.
 

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I suppose that is a relevant passage, but I'd like to point out that I'm not asking out of desire to put myself ahead of anyone or tickle my ego. I'm just genuinely curious as to how others have interacted with the aforementioned scripture John 3:3-8

How have others experienced the Kingdom of God at present? Does anyone's experience differ from my own? If so, I want to get to the bottom of it for the sake of my soul.

Blessings

When you get to more thorough Bible study, with our Heavenly Father's help by The Holy Spirit, then you will understand about His Kingdom and its history even before the foundation of this world.

Now, there's something for you to think about, the existence of God's Kingdom PRIOR to this present world.

When you begin to understand that, then you won't confuse hippie feel-good emotional ideas with the profoundness and glory of His actual Kingdom.
 

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Well this got ugly quick.
And did you expect any less, have you ever wondered why very few people will put there testimonies on here, I knew what I would cop before I came here, A question was asked , I answered, I will not deny Christ simply because men dont like how He goes about things. As I said to @DNB , there is nothing I have that he cannot have, but if refuses to believe that God can, than he has shut that door on himself, as so many christians do.
 
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I'm just asking, who here would be able to confidently claim they can see the Kingdom of God. If so, what can you see from your experiences?
The Kingdom of God means the rule of God, with Christ as King of kings. As Jesus said to those who believe, the Kingdom of God is within you, which means Christ rules in the hearts of those who belong to Him. And only those who have been born again can enter and see the Kingdom of God.

But no one can see the literal, visible, physical (and spiritual), tangible Kingdom of God on earth as yet, for the simple reason that it will be established AFTER the second coming of Christ.

What we see around us is Christendom -- the wheat and the tares growing together while apostasy increases within the denominations until the Antichrist is revealed.
 
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The Kingdom of God means the rule of God, with Christ as King of kings. As Jesus said to those who believe, the Kingdom of God is within you, which means Christ rules in the hearts of those who belong to Him. And only those who have been born again can enter and see the Kingdom of God.

But no one can see the literal, visible, physical (and spiritual), tangible Kingdom of God on earth as yet, for the simple reason that it will be established AFTER the second coming of Christ.

What we see around us is Christendom -- the wheat and the tares growing together while apostasy increases within the denominations until the Antichrist is revealed.

Not quite... true about no physical kingdom here on earth today...

Ezek 21:26-27
26 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
KJV

(The "shall be no more" phrase has some added words by the translators. It's really about after the third overturn it won't be overturned any more until He comes Who's right it is.)
 

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The "shall be no more" phrase has some added words by the translators. It's really about after the third overturn it won't be overturned any more until He comes Who's right it is.
And "the one whose right it is" is none other than the King of kings and the Lord of lords.

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Christ] came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days [the Father], and they brought Him [Christ] near before Him [the Father]. And there was given Him [Christ] dominion, and glory, and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his Kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. (Dan 7:13,14)
 

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I'm just asking, who here would be able to confidently claim they can see the Kingdom of God. If so, what can you see from your experiences?
Basically, as I go about my business from day-to-day, I see my surrounding [things, events, people, etc.] as I always have, but I also see many of those same things from a Higher perspective, at the same time. The latter did not happen before I got Saved. It became more consistent as I walked with God.
 

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Being Born of the Spirit is the literal putting on of the Glorified Body which none of us have as of yet.

Interesting post. I believe that.

And now you've taken Jesus' place as judge. Do you think that it's a small issue to be divinely appointed judge over another man?

In the Millenial Kingdom there is a good chance that some of us, even on this website, will be tasked with the handling of reprobates. It'll be our job to help them come to acknowledge the reign of Christ in their hearts. We will be like social case workers in that regard.

You've seen nothing, all you did was just regurgitate a cliché?
Not to mention how badly you interpreted the meaning of 'see the kingdom' in the 'born again' passage

What's wrong with how I envision the unity of the brethren? You entered this discussion but did not provide an answer to my initial question. You just went into attack mode. I wonder why...

Our Savior was and is our Example! The Kingdom is to be of us as we walk out our Live's as though we are in the Kingdom, we are to become as He was in overcoming this world as He did! I Pray that I have been Begotten, as the seed is planted and has began to grow! to be Born Again is to become as He is in His Present State!!

Amen. Good answer.

I don't think that many have any idea what the kingdom even is

Don't you think this is kind of sad, then? Are you "above it all" too?

The Kingdom of God means the rule of God, with Christ as King of kings. As Jesus said to those who believe, the Kingdom of God is within you, which means Christ rules in the hearts of those who belong to Him. And only those who have been born again can enter and see the Kingdom of God.

But no one can see the literal, visible, physical (and spiritual), tangible Kingdom of God on earth as yet, for the simple reason that it will be established AFTER the second coming of Christ.

Thank you for another well educated post.
 
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Base said he believes no one is born again until the receiving of our glorified bodies and friend of agreed.

I'm trying to grasp the thought but it's hard because I always have thought I was born again from above when I received the Holy Spirit...
 

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Base said he believes no one is born again until the receiving of our glorified bodies and friend of agreed.

I'm trying to grasp the thought but it's hard because I always have thought I was born again from above when I received the Holy Spirit...
Isnt the term, "Believed". But now I know I am...
 

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I don't know...
Isnt the term, "Believed". But now I know I am...

I don't know...I believed but didn't receive the Holy Spirit until about a week later or so. And there were believers who Paul asked if they'd received the Holy Spirit yet who said no.

But I'm not going to be dogmatic about it, especially since some people say they can't recall a moment where they received the Spirit But it was more a gradual awareness that God was with them.

But what I was struggling with is the thought that no one is born from above until they receive their glorified bodies.
 

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I'm trying to grasp the thought but it's hard because I always have thought I was born again from above when I received the Holy Spirit...

Well you would be correct as well. But have you put on immortality? That's the question.
 
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