The Real Tribulation

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Christina

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I did mean to imply the 7 years or the 3 1/2 years is shortened the time the Antchrist is here is shortened to 5 months

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon (both names of Satan)
 

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QUOTE (tomwebster @ Feb 25 2009, 08:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69929
Can you document in Scripture where you find “that the 7 years or the 3 ½ years are shortened to “5 months?”The time is shortened and there is a 5 month time of the locust mentioned BUT they are not connected.
I do not see how they are connected either??
 

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QUOTE (Christina @ Feb 25 2009, 08:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69931
I did mean to imply the 7 years or the 3 1/2 years is shortened the time the Antchrist is here is shortened to 5 months 3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. 7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. 9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. 10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. 11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon (both names of Satan)
Thanks, I understand where you are coming from.
 
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QUOTE (Letsgofishing @ Feb 25 2009, 07:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69923
Shutinyou are a true disciple of christ.The ability to step back with the holy spirit and judge and change your own beliefs takes a courage not many Christians have, especially with the pretrib rapture, because it is extremely frightening to know that we could go through the tribulationsAnd that was why Christ, Paul, Peter, and John, and a whole bundle of Old Testemant saints were so urgent about this matter, that is why we must be so urgent on this matter. We must be prepared for the tribulation, we must be prepared to fight for Christ.But Shutin, you don't have to be afraid, because"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."1 John 4:1810 So do not fear, for I am with you;do not be dismayed, for I am your God.I will strengthen you and help you;I will uphold you with my righteous right hand. ( Isaiah 41:10)12 Then he continued, "Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. (Daniel 10:12)11 in God I trust; I will not be afraid.What can man do to me? (Psalm 56:11)or even the devil for that matter, who can stand up to the one who loves us"Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus" (Philippians 4:6-7)."Then Jesus said to his disciples: 'Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?'" (Luke 12:22-26)"Why are you downcast, O my soul? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior and my God" (Psalm 42:5).And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose" (Romans 8:28).and there are so many more verses...God Bless you my brotherMay we run the good raceRyan Fitz
Thank you very much Letsgofishing and others who have prayed for me and/or given me Scriptural comfort. I've been strangely peaceful since last night. Maybe that's why.I just told someone else somewhere on this Forum thanks also. I hope y'alls Scriptures will comfort others who read them too.I'm trying to be a good servant and disciple. God had to subject me to YEARS of trials and chastisement to get me to where I am. Blessed are those (like young Brother Joel - Jburic) who obey, learn, whatever, and don't force God to do such to get them where He wants them. He's still got me limited to my house and small crowds due to social phobia, but He led me to use the time online in places like this
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QUOTE (setfree @ Feb 24 2009, 04:33 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69796
So you are saying that the 7 years will be peace and prosperity? Maybe the first 3 1/2 years...but not the last half...
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// will we be in a spot of time where we do not have bibles,or they may not be allowed.what would we do
 

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QUOTE (bullfighter @ Feb 26 2009, 05:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69978
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// will we be in a spot of time where we do not have bibles,or they may not be allowed.what would we do
By gollee, but in absolute sincerety, if that happens we'll do WHATEVER IT TAKES like our Brethren and Martyrs in oppressed countries and times have done.We will hide our Bibles if needed, worship secretly, and if necessary do things openly and boldly when led to do so. I believe, but sadly don't know the Scriptural reference (getting better though thanks to this site and peoples posts) that there are Martyrs mentioned in Revelations from that time. To be one of those.............FAR more concerned about my Wife, Children, and other loved ones than for my life.Good question if that's gonna happen.Bless Ya,Jim
 

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QUOTE (bullfighter @ Feb 26 2009, 02:38 PM) lass='quotemain'>//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// will we be in a spot of time where we do not have bibles,or they may not be allowed.what would we do
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BullfighterYou must get the right mindset here Antichrist (Satan) is coming to win your soul with lies an deception through flattery he is not going to win us over by taking away our Bibles. (Read my first posts in this thread again)

God says Satan does this with delusions,miracles, flattery and lies ..Now you can not win a Christians soul by taking away his Bible....

Now we are not told exactly what will occur with our bibles but we have hints Satan is a master a twisting scripture remember when he tempted Christ in the desert... He quoted scripture to him but it was twisted scripture.

He leaves out a word here a twist there ...Now stop and think how many different opinions we have on scripture .... This is the begining of the decpetion 8 out of 10 christians get their ideas of scripture from men,either their from there churches or the earlier church leaders (reformers) but God sealed the book ... It was not unsealed until 1948 when the Generation that needed to understand it ...

The reformers were to preach the gospel of the Good News around the World ....not fully understandstand the End times. Most ministers are taught from the reformers views ..While invauable for our basic understanding THEY COULD NOT TEACH WHAT GOD HAD CLOSED TO THEM.

So we have divisions in understanding. Now Antichrist will be saying he is christ ... and he will most likely do to us as he did Christ twist scripture tell us its wrong its been changed or misunderstood by men ...How many of us know our Fathers Word well enough that we could catch it?

Especally if we think we are hearing it from christs own mouth ..this is the deception the famine of Amos 8:11So do I think he will take our Bibles?
No ! I think he will so twist and change Gods word so that we will tosss them aside as some preversion of man ... Now that we are fooled into thinking christ is among us we will think we no longer need this preversion of men......We call the Bible.

Now what does God say to us "Lo, I come in the volume of the book .....Do not listen to the first fake that comes with his flattery,miralcles, and deception.

God say's he's in the book,learn the book in Rev. this is sybolized as eating the book, its sweet at first as is the surface text is alot of sweetness and love ...but its also a two edged sword ..both bitter and sweet ... its not only about love your bother as the surface text says ... it has a positive and a negative side its about salvation but also about judgement it can save and it can condem ...this is the meaning of tastes sweet but became bitter...........................................

P.S. forgive my lack of scripture referance here as Im having computer problems ask for the scripture if you are not sure of what Im refering to.
 

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QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 1 2009, 11:59 PM)
The church is now in the tribulation, the very end, the next thing to occur is the second coming..
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Thats a statement an opinion its not backed up in scripture.,

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

the man of sin is Antichrist (Satan) and he isnt here yet so we are not in the tribulation

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
 

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Reposting Part one as it seems sopme did not read it

PART 1 of 3

FORGET WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD FROM HOLLYWOOD AND MEN FOR A MINUTE AND LET US DISCUSS WHAT THE TRIBULATION IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT
What it is about. The tribulation is mainly about three things:
DELUSION .... DECEPTION .... HARVESTING OF SOULS

What its not about ...KILLING ...DEATH....WAR.....CHAOS....
(dont get me wrong some of this will happen but not when its commonly thought)

I know we are bombarded by Hollywood movies and the fears of Men Satan just loves when he can play upon these fears. I dont expect ANYONE to listen to me but I do expect you to clear you mind of all the images you have been shown on the movie screens and heard from the fear mongers and listen to what your Father has said of this time regardless if you think you are going to be here or not you need to learn what the tribulation is all about and what it is ...

It is true that there will be a time of trouble and there were signs we were given to watch for.

To know the the times we are living in among these signs were war and rumors of war, there will be a deadly wound, and famines, and natural disasters all these things will come to pass as written ....

HOWEVER GET THIS ONE THING STRAIGHT IN YOUR MINDS THIS IS NOT THE TRIBULATION ALL THESE THINGS WILL OCCUR BEFORE THE TRIBULATION THEY ARE THE LEAD UP TO THE TRIBULATION ...

FOR THE MOST PART ESPICALLY THE FIRST HALF THE TRIBULATION IS NOT A TIME OF KILLING ITS A TIME OF HARVESTING OF SOULS ITS A TIME OF PEACE AND PROSPARITY AND A CHICKEN IN EVERY POT AND WORLD RIVIVAL THE LIKES YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN

LET US SEE WHAT YOUR FATHER SAYS OF THIS TIME OF ANTICHRIST (SATAN) Antichrist (Satan) FIRST ACT WILL BE TO RESTORE THE ONE WORLD SYSTEM THAT MEN HAVE FAILED AT HE WILL FIX ALL THAT IS AILING US HE WILL HEAL THE DEADLY WOUND

Daniel 11:21 "And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceable and obtain the kingdom by flattery's."

This is not a system, but a person. When the Antichrist (Satan) comes, there will be no war He will come as a man of peace and prosperity.

Daniel 11:24 "He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: year, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time."

DO YOU HEAR YOUR FATHER HERE ? not WAR.... NO KILLING ...NO CHOAS

ANTICHRIST (SATAN) IS HERE FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY HE WANTS YOUR SOUL HE WANTS YOU TO WORSHIP HIM HE WANTS TO BE GOD HE HAS ALWAYS WANTED TO BE GOD (Isa. 14) HE DOES NOT WANT YOU DEAD HE WANNTS YOU ALIVE AND BELIEVING HE IS Christ YOUR SAVIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO HOW DOES HE DO THIS HE USES DECEPTION AND DELUSION FLATTERIES

Revevelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."Satan will snap his fingers and lightning will come down from heaven.

Satan will bring miracles, and supernatural wonders with him, and these wonders are given by God to perform the test the people of the world.

Revelation 13:14 " And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

"This is the whole object for the great tribulation. "DECEPTION"!
Satan is going to make an image of this "one world system" [religious beast] and breath life into system. Their will be something symbolic created within the system that will cause the whole world to bow.
This reminds me of the "image" created in Babylon's "one world government" under king Nebuchadnezzar, in Daniel 3. At that time there were only three that would not bow to the image.


DO YOU HAVE THIS FIXED IN YOUR MIND THIS WILL BE A PEACUFUL TIME OF MIRACLES AND WONDERS AND FLATTERIESA ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT OF PROSPARITY AND HE WILL MAKE A ONE WORLD RELIGION WHERE ALL MUSLIMS JEWS AND CHRISTIANS WILL WALK ARM AND ARM AND EMBRACE EACH OTHER ....

THIS IS THE TRIBULATION OF SATAN A DECEPTION A DELUSION A WONDERFUL TIME FOR THE WORLD ... NOT A HOLLYWOOD VERSION OF A EVIL UGLY MAN BUT A BEATIFUL KNOWLEDGABLE SUPER NATURAL ANTICHRIST (SATAN ) RULING THE WORLD AND HOLDING RIVIALS AND THW WORLD WILL LOVE HIM AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL FOLLOW AFTER HIM AND WORSHIP HIM ........]

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

THE COST FOR ALL THIS IS YOUR VERY SOUL NOW BEFORE WE CONTINUE PLEASE FIX THIS TRUTH IN YOUR MIND YOUR FATHER WROTE YOU A LETTER TO TELL YOU THIS FOR A REASON
 
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Bringing forward anything thats not written by Samuel and has some substance or at least scriptrure :rolleyes:
 

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Bringing forward anything thats not written by Samuel and has some substance or at least scriptrure :rolleyes:


The hardest part about reading some of these older posts is the lack of punctuation and poor grammatical sentence construction. It is hard to know where one thought ends and another thought begins. As I read some of these posts, I think I agree with a thought but then another thought seems to emerge that I disagree with.
 

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The hardest part about reading some of these older posts is the lack of punctuation and poor grammatical sentence construction. It is hard to know where one thought ends and another thought begins. As I read some of these posts, I think I agree with a thought but then another thought seems to emerge that I disagree with.

Yeah the changes in software removed all the formatting and links are broken but you can not edit them so it does make it difficult to
know where one thought ends and another begins .. Wish I had a fix ... :(
 

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Yeah the changes in software removed all the formatting and links are broken but you can not edit them so it does make it difficult to
know where one thought ends and another begins .. Wish I had a fix ... :(


Is the op available or does it show up the same way?

I just scroll up to the top again and see that this is the origina post :blink: so answered my own question.

Anyway there is some ggod stuff here so I will do my best to translate it. Most of the responders are not here anymore, it seems. I would like to ask some of them for clarification. :mellow:
 

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Is the op available or does it show up the same way?

I just scroll up to the top again and see that this is the origina post :blink: so answered my own question.

Anyway there is some ggod stuff here so I will do my best to translate it. Most of the responders are not here anymore, it seems. I would like to ask some of them for clarification. :mellow:
I cant help with the posters that are not here but sense I wrot the OP I can help you there, here is the formatted version
http://biblestudy.bb3host.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=260
 

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Some of the saints are under the alter towards that time, remember there are two yet to be killed when that address is given. Also, when Christ actually returns, the angels will gather the elect from the heavens and the earth. So they are in both locations at the end. ( so not all will be killed)


Also, I'm curious, what does everybody here do with this verse?

Daniel 11:24 "He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: year, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time."




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