Cursing.

reformed1689 · Jan 2, 2020

Willie T said:
Many people who claim "preacher" as their profession, don't appear to care a whit (iota) about helping others. It seems all they want is for others to listen to their speeches, and to accept what they decide to tell them.

Wow, talk about judging....

Waiting on him · Jan 2, 2020

Willie T said:
Many people who claim "preacher" as their profession, don't appear to care a whit (iota) about helping others. It seems all they want is for others to listen to their speeches, and to accept what they decide to tell them.

I guess if they can convince some to agree with them, then in their mind they can believe what they speak is truth.

amadeus · Jan 2, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
we will see. Lately taking a step back and waiting on His move. In a place I can’t seem to get out from until some things are resolved. might take a day, a week, or years...

Keeping you in prayer!

Heart2Soul · Jan 2, 2020

David Taylor said:
Wow, talk about judging....

It's a trap we all fall into at times....I get told frequently on here that I am being judgmental....it wasn't my intent....but if it was perceived as judging by that person then I need to examine how I post things.
God help us all in our weaknesses.
Have a nice day, rejoice and be glad in it for this is the day He has made!

ScottA · Jan 2, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
wondering if the church forum is an appropriate place to discuss “cursing”? This question was posted by another member in another thread and both are good questions for consideration. “You think cursing is appropriate? Clearly you are not speaking with the spirit of Christ here.”

Deuteronomy 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

You think cursing is appropriate? Asked here the answer is often: yes I do. I do think cursing is appropriate. I think cursing and death is appropriate. Then Why?

Clearly you are not speaking with the spirit of Christ here. Does the spirit of Christ speak: the curse and death or the blessing and Life? Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Are we keeping His commandments while cursing others? Are we hypocrites? Are we speaking with the Spirit of Christ while cursing others to hell? So confused and drowning here ...because there seems to be a lot of doctrine and claiming of keeping the Law while speaking the curse and death, rather than the blessing and Life which we claim is our own.

A quick note:

The "blessing and cursing" word from Moses is an indication that God is about His business of doing both. But, as Paul clarifies:

2 Corinthians 2:15-16
"For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are perishing. To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life."

VictoryinJesus · Jan 2, 2020

ScottA said:
A quick note:

The "blessing and cursing" word from Moses is an indication that God is about His business of doing both. But, as Paul clarifies:

2 Corinthians 2:15-16
"For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are perishing. To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life."

the fragrance of Christ among those perishing ...
To one the aroma of death leading to death
To the other life leading to life...

Yes, The aroma of Flesh(death) leading to death. The aroma of Spirit(Life) leading to Life. Baffling how God could take the curse of death and cast the fear(sting) out of it in: crucified with Him that we may Live with Him. Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

mjrhealth · Jan 2, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
@Heart2Soul this was not to me. I’m sorry to interrupt but you have good points. I’m aware you and I don’t agree all the time. There are lots of times I don’t agree with others. But mostly I’m seeking if I’m in agreement with God. Not to drag @David Taylor through the mud because he is not alone as I’m with him. didn’t start this thread to pick on any other members because I’m struggling here also. Sounds ugly but I got into a big argument with my daughter the other day. She started crying and saying how I don’t think she is listening when I talk about God but she is. And for years she has been holding it in that I speak of God as merciful but judge others differently. A lot of hurt. She knows they have hurt our family but says I’m a hypocrite for not giving the forgiveness I go on and on about all the time. She said all of what she sees all the time knowing I’ve been in His word for years and still am where I am, makes her never want to read His word or know God. She was crying hard and saying “is God barbaric, is He some gladiator who views us all as ants easily squashed and is laughing at us, thinking it is funny watching us devour one another?” Then I’m crying because that is not who I think God is. And it is not the God I wanted my family to know. it comes in from all sides, Like a pressure pot. At first I’m thinking it is the persecution He speaks of but then I’m seeing maybe all being said to me and about me is the truth and I am a major hypocrite. it has made me want to put up the word and walk away from it all. Not because of God but all the verses and how I take them and use them to my advantage, for example how anytime someone says something I don’t like and it cuts deep then I can twist it in my head to where I come out superior convinced “it is persecution. I’m being persecuted for God.” I’m sorry that is a lot of “I” and “me” but that is where I am at right now...shutting others out and calling it mercy.

Have you ever though of putting the bible aside and giving Him a chance'

Act_17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Give Him a chance, I mean it He will change your world but you must let Him in.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

VictoryinJesus · Jan 2, 2020

mjrhealth said:
Have you ever though of putting the bible aside and giving Him a chance'

Act_17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Give Him a chance, I mean it He will change your world but you must let Him in.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I’ve considered putting it aside for a while, yes.

mjrhealth · Jan 2, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
I’ve considered putting it aside for a while, yes.

I have a friend Pia. a woman called of God, and I have watched the battles she goes through, the only thing that keeps her going is what He told her, picking up the bible as you can see from all the posts on these forums, causes a lot of dissent. The only truth you will ever find is in Him, you will never regret it. And oh yes He will show you things in the bible, but rough His eyes not mens wisdom, understanding or religion.

That last bit is going to start a hornets nest im sure..

God bless you and Jesus give you strenhth and open your eyes to His truth.

FHII · Jan 2, 2020

Clearly this thread is about proclaiming disaster and calamity will fall on someone and not dropping F bombs or something... I'm a bit disappointed because I had something lined up for that conversation!

But proclaiming a curse on others is serious business. It ought not be done so flippantly. God laid down several curses in the Bible yet there either was a way out or it was a long time coming.

In Malachi 3 God cursed the people for skipping out on tithes and offerings. He cursed them with a curse... Not just cursed them, but cursed them with a curse! Yet he said if they did right, he would rebuke the devourer, all nations would call them blessed and they would be a delightsome land, among other things. Furthermore, God said "try me and see if it isn't so!" (Prove me now wherewith, if I shall not open you a window of heaven.. )

Second, I want to discuss Balaam... A mad (insane or mentally unstable) prophet. Head to Numbers 22. Always a favorite chapter of mine for it's comical description of Balaam's ass talking to him!

But notice a few things: Balaam was God's prophet at the time and God did not want him to curse Israel.

What is it to God if this mad prophet does so? And by the way, 2 Peter 2 calls his actions madness. I have no other answer than to believe even God cares what his prophets say. Even a madman like Balaam. God had to send a talking donkey and an angel with a sword to shut him down.

My point is that God took a curse from his prophet seriously. I believe if Balaam actually completed his mission, Israel wouldve been cursed. But God wasn't going to let that happen.

Overall, my point is that we shouldn't be doing it. God takes it seriously.

And.... Yes, I have mistakenly cursed people on this board before... Caused me to rebuke myself and wait to see if the person accepted my apology.

Why he didn't just make him a mute like he did Zacharias, I don't know...

FollowHim · Jan 3, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
wondering if the church forum is an appropriate place to discuss “cursing”? This question was posted by another member in another thread and both are good questions for consideration. “You think cursing is appropriate? Clearly you are not speaking with the spirit of Christ here.”

Deuteronomy 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

You think cursing is appropriate? Asked here the answer is often: yes I do. I do think cursing is appropriate. I think cursing and death is appropriate. Then Why?

Clearly you are not speaking with the spirit of Christ here. Does the spirit of Christ speak: the curse and death or the blessing and Life? Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Are we keeping His commandments while cursing others? Are we hypocrites? Are we speaking with the Spirit of Christ while cursing others to hell? So confused and drowning here ...because there seems to be a lot of doctrine and claiming of keeping the Law while speaking the curse and death, rather than the blessing and Life which we claim is our own.

Cursing in my experience comes from frustration and anger.
The Holy Spirit is about
"the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." Gal 5:22-23

We are the people of God, His will expressed on this earth, vessels of divine presence in this world. Unfortunately a tirade filled with cursing speaks of something where the Lord is not King and the Kingdom is not in their focus.

VictoryinJesus · Jan 3, 2020

FollowHim said:
Cursing in my experience comes from frustration and anger.

agree. The daily stresses come in and grind (wear) on a person. For me that is when God seems to furtherest away and quickly forgotten and denied. Similar to Peter which another member mentioned above “Surely thou also are one of them; for your speech betrays you. Then began Peter to curse and swear, saying I know not the man.” (Matthew 26:73-75) and he went out, and wept bitterly.

VictoryinJesus · Jan 3, 2020

FHII said:
Clearly this thread is about proclaiming disaster and calamity will fall on someone and not dropping F bombs or something... I'm a bit disappointed because I had something lined up for that conversation!

But proclaiming a curse on others is serious business. It ought not be done so flippantly. God laid down several curses in the Bible yet there either was a way out or it was a long time coming.

In Malachi 3 God cursed the people for skipping out on tithes and offerings. He cursed them with a curse... Not just cursed them, but cursed them with a curse! Yet he said if they did right, he would rebuke the devourer, all nations would call them blessed and they would be a delightsome land, among other things. Furthermore, God said "try me and see if it isn't so!" (Prove me now wherewith, if I shall not open you a window of heaven.. )

Second, I want to discuss Balaam... A mad (insane or mentally unstable) prophet. Head to Numbers 22. Always a favorite chapter of mine for it's comical description of Balaam's ass talking to him!

But notice a few things: Balaam was God's prophet at the time and God did not want him to curse Israel.

What is it to God if this mad prophet does so? And by the way, 2 Peter 2 calls his actions madness. I have no other answer than to believe even God cares what his prophets say. Even a madman like Balaam. God had to send a talking donkey and an angel with a sword to shut him down.

My point is that God took a curse from his prophet seriously. I believe if Balaam actually completed his mission, Israel wouldve been cursed. But God wasn't going to let that happen.

Overall, my point is that we shouldn't be doing it. God takes it seriously.

And.... Yes, I have mistakenly cursed people on this board before... Caused me to rebuke myself and wait to see if the person accepted my apology.

Why he didn't just make him a mute like he did Zacharias, I don't know...

Balaam...interesting that the Lord stood in the way of the curse. When God speaks of those who curse His children...does the Lord stand in the way of those curses spoken against His people? Thought of Balaam a lot lately with these passages while considering the bread Christ gives and the living water.
Deuteronomy 23:4-5 Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee. [5] Nevertheless the Lord thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the Lord thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the Lord thy God loved thee.

Does the Lord meet with bread(come down from heaven) and with (living)water in the way? as He stood and cried “if any thirst, let him drink” “if any hunger, let him eat” Proverbs 25:21-22 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink: [22] For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the Lord shall reward thee.

Nehemiah 13:2 Because they met not the children of Israel with bread and with water, but hired Balaam against them, that he should curse them: howbeit our God turned the curse into a blessing.

How does God turn the curse into a blessing?

marks · Jan 3, 2020

Willie T said:
And what is the reason we would not just simply say, in a kinder, gentler way, those things you said it means? You already know the answer. We want to use the "justifiable" dig that we can hide behind as "not really" being a dig.

"Passive-Aggressive"

marks · Jan 3, 2020

David Taylor said:
This post is ignorant and nonsense.

Perhaps in your opinion, but not in mine.

marks · Jan 3, 2020

Waiting on him said:
I pray the Lord will soon enlighten you as to why you are such a bitter person, because I’m certain He could use you to build instead of tear down.

Hi Waiting,

I think God does use David to build up, though we can all use improvement!

Much love!

marks · Jan 3, 2020

David Taylor said:
Really? Are you sure? Do Not Offend

That's a good read. Truth is an offense to some. But we do need to include, "let your gentleness be known to all."

Much love!

Waiting on him · Jan 3, 2020

marks said:
Hi Waiting,

I think God does use David to build up, though we can all use improvement!

Much love!

If you agree with all he posts, if not you are stupid, ignorant.

marks · Jan 3, 2020

Waiting on him said:
If you agree with all he posts, if not you are stupid, ignorant.

I'm sorry?

Oh. Sarcasm?

Willie T · Jan 3, 2020

I actually like Taylor, and think he has a pretty good head on his shoulders. But, this past week, I have been somewhat ashamed of his actions in a couple of different threads.

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