In a previous thread Denver brought something to my attention that I had not seen in scripture before and I would like to discuss it....It is the mystery mentioned in the Bible...Musterion: 3466 musthvrion Musterion (moos-tay'-ree-on); Word Origin: Greek, Noun Neuter from a derivative of muo (to shut the mouth) hidden thing, secret, mystery generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the initiated and not to ordinary mortals a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding a hidden purpose or counsel secret will 1c of men 1c of God: the secret counsels which govern God in dealing with the righteous, which are hidden from ungodly and wicked men but plain to the godly in rabbinic writings, it denotes the mystic or hidden sense of an OT saying of an image or form seen in a vision of a dream Please!! I want to discuss this without any belittlement toward the other person whether you believe what they do or not. We shall know them by their fruits....So let’s use them as we interact with each other. That said...God kept a secret from the beginning of time. It was not revealed until after His Son's death (Jesus). Because if it was known, satan would not have killed Jesus.RO 16:25-26 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY, which was kept secret since the world began *, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith. 1 CO 2:7-8 But we speak the wisdom of God in a MYSTERY, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.I want you to pay close attention to “unto our glory.” I will tie this in later. What has God done for our glory? What is this mystery? Why was it a threat to satan? Since this was not known until after Christ death there is not a verse in the Old Testament that reveals the mystery, is it?Paul received the mystery through revelation.EPH 3:2-5 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the MYSTERY; * (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the MYSTERY of Christ)Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; Also the ministers have been trustes of the mysteries of God.1Co 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.I will stop here…Please let the scriptures speak to you through the Holy Spirit…Because he is the only one that can reveal/convince the truth to you.1 Cor. 2:10-14 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit; for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea,the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.But the natural man receiveth not the thing of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because the are spiritually discerned.
Mystery?
- Thread starter setfree
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
After Christ's death, everything is revealed. In fact, before He died, He promised that He has foretold us everything and God promised us He will tell us everything and He did. (Mark 13:23) In short the 'mystery' is now revealed, as the Old Testament is New Testament concealed (IE hidden, secret, mystery) and the New Testament is Old Testament revealed (God promised to reveal everything and He did keep His promise)That being said we need both Old Testament and New Testament as nothing changes in God's Words, as God can't change.
One clue to a part of this mystery is in Eph.3:2 ......EPH 3:2-5 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the MYSTERY; * (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the MYSTERY of Christ)Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Trying to relate this to every mention of mystery is partially deviating from what the verse I originally gave said, but only in one sense; it needs to be approached from a different course. Musterion is a pretty interesting word, which you have made a small study of in this topic, but it mostly relates to our word secret probably more than our word mystery. However, I think mystery still gets the point across because there is a secret being kept in a mystery, the latter term implies a purpose to it, which is of course the will of God at work in everything, one way or another.Putting aside the rather arbitrary verse numbers, here is what it reads (as a complete thought in English):QUOTE
I Corinthians 15:51-52Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
I think the more interesting word here is rendered show, and is legō in the Greek (Strong's Gr. #3004). Yes there is a mystery/secret, but Paul tells us here that I am showing you the secret, the mystery. He is revealing it, through the inspired Word.In following the divine Revelation of God, we have a book that bares that name. It's called Revelation, which roughly means the unveiling, and which contains another reference to a mystery of God which culminates in the final of seven trumpet blasts.QUOTE
Revelation 10:7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Herein our answer is contained. God has declared that this mystery will be finished, with the key phrase being as he hath declared to his servants the prophets with the link here to I Corinthians 15. Again, what is the title of the book that contains this statement? Is it not accurately "The Revelation of Jesus the Christ" as contained in the opening lines of the blessed book?This is getting back to what I said in the thread and is just another link as to why these verses are speaking about the same event, the same trump.
I Corinthians 15:51-52Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
I think the more interesting word here is rendered show, and is legō in the Greek (Strong's Gr. #3004). Yes there is a mystery/secret, but Paul tells us here that I am showing you the secret, the mystery. He is revealing it, through the inspired Word.In following the divine Revelation of God, we have a book that bares that name. It's called Revelation, which roughly means the unveiling, and which contains another reference to a mystery of God which culminates in the final of seven trumpet blasts.QUOTE
Revelation 10:7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Herein our answer is contained. God has declared that this mystery will be finished, with the key phrase being as he hath declared to his servants the prophets with the link here to I Corinthians 15. Again, what is the title of the book that contains this statement? Is it not accurately "The Revelation of Jesus the Christ" as contained in the opening lines of the blessed book?This is getting back to what I said in the thread and is just another link as to why these verses are speaking about the same event, the same trump.
Denver, I was going to get to those verses...also what I have posted is only a small portion of my studing of the mystery/secret that was kept in God from the foundation of the world. True mystery is mentioned in several scriptures...but I think they will tie into what God has kept hidden before the foundation of the world.What first needs to be answered is...what was kept from satan, from the foundation of the world? What is it that Satan would have changed his mind about killing Jesus if he had known it?
QUOTE
Denver, I was going to get to those verses...also what I have posted is only a small portion of my studing of the mystery/secret that was kept in God from the foundation of the world.
Well, with all due respect, an incomplete study is an incomplete study; I can't read your mind.
QUOTE
True mystery is mentioned in several scriptures...but I think they will tie into what God has kept hidden before the foundation of the world.What first needs to be answered is...what was kept from satan, from the foundation of the world? What is it that Satan would have changed his mind about killing Jesus if he had known it?
Please don't take this as an insult, but I'm wondering where this question is coming from. The verses are telling you what the mystery was, as it has now been revealed. Yes there are mysteries, but if you carefully study, each time a mystery is put forward, it's explained.QUOTE
I Timothy 3:16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
This, of course, is alluded to elsewhere. The great mystery is Christ and what he has done for us.QUOTE
Romans 16:25-26Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
It was (frequently) spoken of in the Old Testament, just not by the title "mystery" because the focus should be on Christ and not some mystery. This is why the Old Testament is quoted so heavily in the New Testament, to validate this that was revealed by the prophets of God; to validate that what he said beforehand was going to happen. Satan had already rebelled, killing Christ was a desperate and vain attempt to foil God. It's not his last, though, as Revelation reveals to us.From here you're basically thrust into a word study on the English word foundation but is the Greek katabolē. This is a word a lot of folks avoid, but it is one which we derive our words catastrophe and catatonic (as in the biological catatonic process). Both of these have to deal with the breaking down of something, which is what the word means. It's root is to literally throw down. (I always think of it this way, what do you do when you build a foundation? You level the land first to lay it.)QUOTE
I Peter 1:19-20But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
There of course being more about it out there; I purposely leave some out because it's best to make one's own study. My only aim is to guide and to maybe help fire the desire to know more of our Father's Word.
Denver, I was going to get to those verses...also what I have posted is only a small portion of my studing of the mystery/secret that was kept in God from the foundation of the world.
Well, with all due respect, an incomplete study is an incomplete study; I can't read your mind.
True mystery is mentioned in several scriptures...but I think they will tie into what God has kept hidden before the foundation of the world.What first needs to be answered is...what was kept from satan, from the foundation of the world? What is it that Satan would have changed his mind about killing Jesus if he had known it?
Please don't take this as an insult, but I'm wondering where this question is coming from. The verses are telling you what the mystery was, as it has now been revealed. Yes there are mysteries, but if you carefully study, each time a mystery is put forward, it's explained.QUOTE
I Timothy 3:16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
This, of course, is alluded to elsewhere. The great mystery is Christ and what he has done for us.QUOTE
Romans 16:25-26Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
It was (frequently) spoken of in the Old Testament, just not by the title "mystery" because the focus should be on Christ and not some mystery. This is why the Old Testament is quoted so heavily in the New Testament, to validate this that was revealed by the prophets of God; to validate that what he said beforehand was going to happen. Satan had already rebelled, killing Christ was a desperate and vain attempt to foil God. It's not his last, though, as Revelation reveals to us.From here you're basically thrust into a word study on the English word foundation but is the Greek katabolē. This is a word a lot of folks avoid, but it is one which we derive our words catastrophe and catatonic (as in the biological catatonic process). Both of these have to deal with the breaking down of something, which is what the word means. It's root is to literally throw down. (I always think of it this way, what do you do when you build a foundation? You level the land first to lay it.)QUOTE
I Peter 1:19-20But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
There of course being more about it out there; I purposely leave some out because it's best to make one's own study. My only aim is to guide and to maybe help fire the desire to know more of our Father's Word.
Denver you said....Please don't take this as an insult, but I'm wondering where this question is coming from. The verses are telling you what the mystery was, as it has now been revealed. Yes there are mysteries, but if you carefully study, each time a mystery is put forward, it's explained.So what is the verse telling us? What is it about the mystery, that if satan knew it he would not have killed Jesus? I agree it has been revealed...but no one has answered the questions. If it is in that scripture, what is it? You say it is Christ and what he has done for us..are you saying it is our salvation?
QUOTE (setfree @ Feb 26 2009, 08:05 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69988
What was it that was not revealed in the Old Testament and the gospels before Jesus died?
I guess everyone is waiting for me to answer....The church started on the Day of Pentecost and will end with the rapture...(whether you believe it is at the beginning or the end everyone believe we will be snatched up to meet him in the air). The church age, adminstration of God's grace, fellowship of the mystery(Eph.3:9). God gave many blessing to during the administrations that came before the Church age...the administration of the Law which is right before the mystery revealed..he says was glorious (2Cor. 3:7) then he calls it the ministration of death, of condemnation in later verses. But in 2 Cor. 3:10 it says that the glory of that time does not compare to the glory we have today. This is for His own purpose, to show forth His wisdom (Eph. 3:10) and our glory (1 Cor. 2:7).Every area of out life as a Christian is...the sacred secret(mystery) has influenced...salvation, gift of holy spirit in us, relation to others who are saved, and it is our hope!So what has God done for our glory?
What was it that was not revealed in the Old Testament and the gospels before Jesus died?
I guess everyone is waiting for me to answer....The church started on the Day of Pentecost and will end with the rapture...(whether you believe it is at the beginning or the end everyone believe we will be snatched up to meet him in the air). The church age, adminstration of God's grace, fellowship of the mystery(Eph.3:9). God gave many blessing to during the administrations that came before the Church age...the administration of the Law which is right before the mystery revealed..he says was glorious (2Cor. 3:7) then he calls it the ministration of death, of condemnation in later verses. But in 2 Cor. 3:10 it says that the glory of that time does not compare to the glory we have today. This is for His own purpose, to show forth His wisdom (Eph. 3:10) and our glory (1 Cor. 2:7).Every area of out life as a Christian is...the sacred secret(mystery) has influenced...salvation, gift of holy spirit in us, relation to others who are saved, and it is our hope!So what has God done for our glory?
This Sacred Secret was hidden from earlier generations and in earlier ages. God has now made it known. God began to reveal it after the resurrection of Christ and completed revealing it when He made it known to the Apostle Paul. Since Christians can know the Sacred Secret, it cannot be a “mystery” in the sense that most people think of today, i.e., something that cannot be known.1 Corinthians 2:7-10a(7) No, we speak of God’s secret [musterion] wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.(8) None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.(9) However, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him”—(10a) but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit…The Sacred Secret was hidden so completely that verse 9 says that before God revealed it, no mind had even conceived what God prepared for us. That is why it is called a “sacred secret,” why it needed to be revealed by God (Eph. 3:3), and why it was “unsearchable” (Eph. 3:8) in Scripture. Sadly, these verses in Corinthians often get quoted out of context. It is not uncommon to hear a preacher read these verses and then teach that God has things in store for us in the future that no eye has seen or ear heard. That is not what the verses are saying. Quoting the Old Testament, they say that what was not known or even thought about back then has now been revealed to the Christian Church. The evidence is clear: the musterion of the Church is a sacred secret that was hidden but is now known by those who care to take the time to learn it.
QUOTE (setfree @ Feb 27 2009, 06:45 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70008
I guess everyone is waiting for me to answer....The church started on the Day of Pentecost and will end with the rapture...(whether you believe it is at the beginning or the end everyone believe we will be snatched up to meet him in the air). The church age, adminstration of God's grace, fellowship of the mystery(Eph.3:9). God gave many blessing to during the administrations that came before the Church age...the administration of the Law which is right before the mystery revealed..he says was glorious (2Cor. 3:7) then he calls it the ministration of death, of condemnation in later verses. But in 2 Cor. 3:10 it says that the glory of that time does not compare to the glory we have today. This is for His own purpose, to show forth His wisdom (Eph. 3:10) and our glory (1 Cor. 2:7).Every area of out life as a Christian is...the sacred secret(mystery) has influenced...salvation, gift of holy spirit in us, relation to others who are saved, and it is our hope!So what has God done for our glory?
It Ends when Christ comes it has little to nothing to do with men its was God mystery, its Gods Plan, Gods Grace
I guess everyone is waiting for me to answer....The church started on the Day of Pentecost and will end with the rapture...(whether you believe it is at the beginning or the end everyone believe we will be snatched up to meet him in the air). The church age, adminstration of God's grace, fellowship of the mystery(Eph.3:9). God gave many blessing to during the administrations that came before the Church age...the administration of the Law which is right before the mystery revealed..he says was glorious (2Cor. 3:7) then he calls it the ministration of death, of condemnation in later verses. But in 2 Cor. 3:10 it says that the glory of that time does not compare to the glory we have today. This is for His own purpose, to show forth His wisdom (Eph. 3:10) and our glory (1 Cor. 2:7).Every area of out life as a Christian is...the sacred secret(mystery) has influenced...salvation, gift of holy spirit in us, relation to others who are saved, and it is our hope!So what has God done for our glory?
It Ends when Christ comes it has little to nothing to do with men its was God mystery, its Gods Plan, Gods Grace
One purpose of the Mystery.....Although God may have a number of reasons for doing all the wonderful things that He has done in the Administration of the mystery, two reasons are written clearly in His Word. Ephesians says that the purpose of God making plain the mystery was in order to make His wisdom known by means of the Church to all the principalities and powers, which refers to all spiritual rulers, and especially the Devil and his demons.Ephesians 3:10His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,God’s purpose in revealing the mystery was that He could reveal His wisdom to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms through the Church, that is, through us. If we do not obey God, or rise up in our faith, or take advantage of the power of holy spirit that He has given us, the manifold wisdom of God will not be fully displayed. When we walk in the power of holy spirit, being confident of the things God has given us in this wonderful Administration of Grace, then His manifold wisdom is fully displayed. We must realize that in no other administration did God say that He displayed His wisdom through people. God never says, for example, that Israel made known His wisdom. In His grace, God has done something that is unique for the Church, and we owe it to our heavenly Father to be sure of our salvation and walk in the spiritual power we have been given.Another reason for the Administration of the Mystery was so that God could glorify us, His children.1 Corinthians 2:7No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.Some people find it uncomfortable that the Christian Church was destined by God to have special glory. God has given the Church special blessings that He did not give to men in earlier generations, and He did it to show His wisdom and also for our glory. It is strictly by grace, and is one reason why one of the two names for this administration is “…the administration of the grace of God…” (Eph. 3:2). We need to understand the Father-child relationship that we enjoy in this wonderful Administration of Grace, it is easier to see why God would glorify us. It is natural for parents to be proud of their children and to want to give them special blessings. It was God’s good pleasure to give us the glory we now have in the Administration of the mystery, and now it should be our pleasure to study it and live accordingly before Him.God has glorified the believers in the Administration of the mystery above the believers in previous administrations. We would look in the Bible.....Not in the Old Testament, because it was written before Jesus was crucified. Not in the Gospels, because almost all the events of the Gospels occurred before Jesus was crucified. We find these wonderful and vital truths in Acts through Jude, which are the writings to the Christian Church. Here we will learn about the glory we have been given, and the specific details and blessings of the Administration of mystery?We are looking for things unique to the Christian Church that were not revealed in the Old Testament or in the Gospels before Jesus died...... God has elevated the Administration of Grace far above the Law Administration(2 Corinthians 3:6-10.)What is so unique and wonderful is that God has chosen to change the relationship He had with people from a Lord-servant relationship to a Father-child relationship, and to bring people into His family by birth.
The prophets came before Christ.QUOTE
Romans 16:25-26Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Hence why you had those looking for the Messiah, they understood. The Old Testament was needed and used to validate Christ because it told about him and coming salvation long, long ago.
Romans 16:25-26Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Hence why you had those looking for the Messiah, they understood. The Old Testament was needed and used to validate Christ because it told about him and coming salvation long, long ago.
QUOTE (Denver @ Mar 9 2009, 08:26 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70437
The prophets came before Christ.Hence why you had those looking for the Messiah, they understood. The Old Testament was needed and used to validate Christ because it told about him and coming salvation long, long ago.
What did they understand about salvation? How much did they really understand? Did they understand about the birth of Christians...the indwelling..the nature of God living within us to change us? Or did they believe that Christ was coming to save them and set up His kingdom on earth? You see the disciples understood about Jesus (Savior) but they were also looking for Him to set up His kingdom on earth at that time...they did not understand the age of grace...the church age..the new birth...
The prophets came before Christ.Hence why you had those looking for the Messiah, they understood. The Old Testament was needed and used to validate Christ because it told about him and coming salvation long, long ago.
What did they understand about salvation? How much did they really understand? Did they understand about the birth of Christians...the indwelling..the nature of God living within us to change us? Or did they believe that Christ was coming to save them and set up His kingdom on earth? You see the disciples understood about Jesus (Savior) but they were also looking for Him to set up His kingdom on earth at that time...they did not understand the age of grace...the church age..the new birth...
Again, I'm talking about the prophets, not the disciples. Have you ever read the book of Psalms? There are numerous references to salvation and the comforting Spirit of God. The blotting out of sins in the book, etc. Now I understand we have the added benefit of hindsight, but what about someone like John the Baptist? Yes he was born just before Christ, but he was in the wilderness before Christ's ministry. The going assumption is that all good "Jews" waited on a military Messiah -- coincidentally the same thing folks are waiting on even in this day and time. However, studying the Scripture shows us that there are very obvious references to Christ beyond just being an ambiguous Messiah.QUOTE
Jeremiah 31:33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah comes to mind right off, there are many more.One thing that I don't understand is you consistently portray yourself to be a student, yet you write these threads like this as if you have a voice of authority, and I am admittedly concerned about this. I don't claim to know everything, but you make a blanket statement that is downright false because the Word itself says the prophets declared it. Any good student of the Bible will pick the words contained therein over man (or woman) any day of the week.
Jeremiah 31:33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah comes to mind right off, there are many more.One thing that I don't understand is you consistently portray yourself to be a student, yet you write these threads like this as if you have a voice of authority, and I am admittedly concerned about this. I don't claim to know everything, but you make a blanket statement that is downright false because the Word itself says the prophets declared it. Any good student of the Bible will pick the words contained therein over man (or woman) any day of the week.
QUOTE (Denver @ Mar 9 2009, 11:14 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70445
Again, I'm talking about the prophets, not the disciples. Have you ever read the book of Psalms? There are numerous references to salvation and the comforting Spirit of God. The blotting out of sins in the book, etc. Now I understand we have the added benefit of hindsight, but what about someone like John the Baptist? Yes he was born just before Christ, but he was in the wilderness before Christ's ministry. The going assumption is that all good "Jews" waited on a military Messiah -- coincidentally the same thing folks are waiting on even in this day and time. However, studying the Scripture shows us that there are very obvious references to Christ beyond just being an ambiguous Messiah.Jeremiah comes to mind right off, there are many more.One thing that I don't understand is you consistently portray yourself to be a student, yet you write these threads like this as if you have a voice of authority, and I am admittedly concerned about this. I don't claim to know everything, but you make a blanket statement that is downright false because the Word itself says the prophets declared it. Any good student of the Bible will pick the words contained therein over man (or woman) any day of the week.
But what is in the total package of salvation was not revealed.....The Administration of the Mystery was not revealed to men before the Lord revealed it to the Apostle Paul. If it had been, there would have been no reason for Jesus to reveal it to Paul by revelation and no reason for Paul to make the point that he got his knowledge directly from Christ. Had the information been revealed before the Lord gave it in the seven Church Epistles, then someone could have taught it to Paul, or he could have learned it from reading the Old Testament. Instead, Paul learned it directly from Christ because it was a secret until then. The mystery was unknown before the resurrection of Christ, so Christians must carefully read and re-read the epistles to the Christian Church (Acts-Jude) if they are going to truly understand the spiritual riches God has conferred specifically upon Christians.
Again, I'm talking about the prophets, not the disciples. Have you ever read the book of Psalms? There are numerous references to salvation and the comforting Spirit of God. The blotting out of sins in the book, etc. Now I understand we have the added benefit of hindsight, but what about someone like John the Baptist? Yes he was born just before Christ, but he was in the wilderness before Christ's ministry. The going assumption is that all good "Jews" waited on a military Messiah -- coincidentally the same thing folks are waiting on even in this day and time. However, studying the Scripture shows us that there are very obvious references to Christ beyond just being an ambiguous Messiah.Jeremiah comes to mind right off, there are many more.One thing that I don't understand is you consistently portray yourself to be a student, yet you write these threads like this as if you have a voice of authority, and I am admittedly concerned about this. I don't claim to know everything, but you make a blanket statement that is downright false because the Word itself says the prophets declared it. Any good student of the Bible will pick the words contained therein over man (or woman) any day of the week.
But what is in the total package of salvation was not revealed.....The Administration of the Mystery was not revealed to men before the Lord revealed it to the Apostle Paul. If it had been, there would have been no reason for Jesus to reveal it to Paul by revelation and no reason for Paul to make the point that he got his knowledge directly from Christ. Had the information been revealed before the Lord gave it in the seven Church Epistles, then someone could have taught it to Paul, or he could have learned it from reading the Old Testament. Instead, Paul learned it directly from Christ because it was a secret until then. The mystery was unknown before the resurrection of Christ, so Christians must carefully read and re-read the epistles to the Christian Church (Acts-Jude) if they are going to truly understand the spiritual riches God has conferred specifically upon Christians.
Similar threads
