(Refuting) The (Original Sin) Doctrine!!
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well its not necessarily my opinion, theres a proven fact!! which scientists say! a child knows right from wrong, not sure I agree with it tho, I've just mentioned it in my thread where I go into abit more detail "romans 3:23 all have fallen short" theres no real definitive age!! its more of a state they come 2 rather dan age!! but I believe around 5 or 6 maybe, other Christians, pastors think similar.
Scientists say that Children actually know the difference between right and wrong before they even reach the age of two, according to new research. Scientists have found that even babies aged between 19 and 21 months understand fairness and can apply it in different situations.
Would you think it fair to say science knows nothing of a sin nature? If sin is a nature as Paul discribed in Ephesians 3, when would nature come into being?
Davy
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The sin 'nature' idea is a product of modern Bible translations. The KJV is more detailed...
Rom 7:17-18
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
KJV
yes I agree, science is mans fallible opinion, if u could reference the verse number so I can address it, the sin nature has already come into being when were born which is wat we got from adam and eve, daniel 9:11 but dats not wat i'm talking about with OS!! having a sin nature and actually sinning is 2 separate things!!
having a sin nature doesn't make some1 a sinner!! it just gives them the propensity 2 sin hence sin nature!! but the OS!! doctrine teaches that sum1 is a sinner from birth having never committed a sin, how so?
a good chapter to read which explains this very well ezek 18 read the whole thing!!
dats the sin nature hes talking about and the word (sin nature) is just a word which has been used within the Christian theocracy 2 incapsulate a term for what hes describing, bit like the word trinity!! its not in the bible but people use it, its totally legit)
Ephesians 2:3 -- I quoted it as chapter 3
.Also one more of my curious questions? What do you think was exchanged at the cross? Thanks for playing along.
Ephesians 2:3 -- I quoted it as chapter 3
Also one more of my curious questions? What do you think was exchanged at the cross? Thanks for playing along.
our sins for Christ's blood!!
historyb
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Stan B
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I agree with everything you have said here. As declared in the Torah, the sins of the father will be passed on to the third and fourth generation, and we have all seen that declaration in action.
Conversely, by the belief of only one parent, their offspring have been made holy. I have seen how that works in my life, where the holiness of the parent has been passed on to the third and fourth generation, as I see a miracle taking place in my family, to the fourth generation!
Stan B
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I disagree with your hypothesis that money necessarily leads to evil or crime.
The problem is the love of money. I used to wonder why God has blessed me so much financially. The only answer I have come up with is that I find money totally meaningless. I have never considered it to be mine, but something to be held in trust for the generations to come. My kids feel the same way about it.
Nancy
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Agreed, children learn fast and many times their first words are "no" when the parent tells them to do or to stop doing something wrong. Sin lives in us, the flesh.
My only concern here is that even though a child knows, naturally how to sin, do they understand what repenting and being born again means? I have many Catholic friends (I live in the most Catholic part of my city) and, I do not get into conversations about baptism with them. I find no place in the NT, infant baptism. What happens to a child that dies at a very young age and had not been baptized yet? It's pretty hard to believe they will not be in the Kingdom. Unless, since God knows the beginning to end and knows that child will not accept Him He will send them to Hell...still very hard to take.
Davy
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Later New Testament translations are from the Alexandrian texts that Wescott & Hort presented as being older and more reliable than the Textus Receptus that the KJV used. In reality, the Alexandrian texts contain corruptions from Gnosticism, as the early Christian school at Alexandria, Egypt was a liberal, philosophical school influenced by Greek philosophy. But just because the Alexandrian texts are older than the Textus Receptus, Wescott & Hort in the late 1880's declared them to be more accurate, when that is not really true. Secular humanism was one of the philosophical tenets of Gnosticism, pivoting especially on the false idea that Jesus is not God.
"Christian" Gnosticisms Corruptions
Rom 7:17-18
18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.
NIV
Rom 7:18
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
KJV
Gnosticism made a distinction between our inner nature, as if it was not connected to sins of the flesh, but to some inner invisible force separate from our flesh. Reason is because they believe in perfection within a flesh body, when God's Word reveals only The Son of God could be born in the flesh and still be God and without sin.
The Textus Receptus makes it clear that it is the desires our flesh that causes most of our sinning (see Galatians 5 in the KJV).
ScottA
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Indeed, it is natural for us to view things that way...I mean as looking forward. But that is only because we have not seen the future. But if a man tells his story, does that mean it has not happened yet, or that it has? If we understand that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, then what will be, also is and was...that is, if we are talking about anything that is of God. So...who's story is this that is being told, and who reveals it day by day?
The point of such a mind-bending way of thinking, is that we are talking about God; and therefore, if a child lives or dies...it already is so. It is finished. We need only remember: God is good, and He works all things together for good for those who love Him according to His purpose. His purpose is good!
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Earburner
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Hell-ooo,
The KoG is NOT a democratic society!
You either accept and agree to the King's plan for yourself, or you remain as "condemned already" . John 3:18
Earburner
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So the question continues, how many babies were spared with Noah, in the Days of the great flood?
Ans. NONE!
Ans. NONE!
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