Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?

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CharismaticLady

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I guess so. Or could my resting , faith in, trust in and surrender to/ in Christ be delivering me grace that enables... As in

KJV Romans 8
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

If the above doesn't mean literal obedience to God commandments, then to what purpose did Christ come when the angel said, name Him Jesus because He shall save people from sin? What is sin? Unrighteousness. What is victory over sin if not obedience? Righteousness? Of course. And what is righteousness unless it be in harmony with God's laws?
Over my head? Maybe. Perhaps God has minimised His standards to meet our fallen
condition. I like to think though that He has changed us to meet with His standards. Perhaps I'm wrong.

That passage is more in line with my faith, than SDA.

vs. 2 "the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

The law of sin and death is the Ten Commandments. Did you know that? We are free from the Old Covenant way of trying to be righteous and failing.

So by what method did Christ save us from sin? The Ten Commandment showed us our sin, so that's not it.
 
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The law of sin and death is the Ten Commandments.
No, it isn't. The law of sin and death is the carnal mind that is at enmity with God and cannot please Him.
KJV Romans 8
6 For to be carnally minded is death...

KJV Romans 7
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

It isn't a law of sin and death.... It is disobedience to the law which brings death., Which is sin.
We are free from the Old Covenant way of trying to be righteous and failing.
In this you are correct. Israel said after receiving the law, everything that you have said, we will do, then went dancing not long after.
So by what method did Christ save us from sin? The Ten Commandment showed us our sin, so that's not it.
Certainly not by removing the law. But by removing us. We are the problem because of the fallen nature... So Jesus came, not to condemn the law, but to condemn sin, put to death the fallen nature, that we, being resurrected in Him, can rise up with new natures in Christ and walk in obedience. Hence the scripture that says

KJV Romans 8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


Romans 7:12
The law of God, from its very nature, is unchangeable. It is a revelation of the will and the character of its Author. God is love, and His law is love. Its two great principles are love to God and love to man... The character of God is righteousness and truth; such is the nature of His law... Such a law, being an expression of the mind and will of God, must be as enduring as its Author.
Ellen White {GC 467}
 
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Here we go again

same old circle, how many times a year must we go around it.
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Was it not Moses that gave the law, so how could it be that sin could be transgression of the law before the law was implemented??
Really, did Moses give the Law?? Are you not familiar that sin is transgression of the Law? Have you not read that death reigned from Adam to Moses? All those destroyed in the flood were for what reason? Does a transcript bring the Law into existence? Can you not join the dots?
 

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But when I was an Adventist we honored Christ's birth on December 25, knowing that date was only a tradition. So you may think keeping the Old Covenant and its sign is good, but that is your tradition,
I'm sorry, that is not my tradition.
 

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Really, did Moses give the Law?

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Exo_24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

Rom_2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
 

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Exo_24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

There we go, Moses, the obedient servant did as was asked and delivered its transcript and as you well know, he was not the originator of it... 'And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.'

Gentiles did not have a transcript......did this make them guiltless?
 

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There we go, Moses, the obedient servant did as was asked and delivered its transcript and as you well know, he was not the originator of it... 'And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.'

Gentiles did not have a transcript......did this make them guiltless?
Yep because until than we never had them, love has always being the option.

I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written

oh yeh thats right He just wrote them...
 

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Now that's a clever way of negating God's Commandment.....the responsibility rests with you.
Nothing "clever" about it.
Just learn to read God's Word in context instead of cherry-picking.

I noticed that you didn't address a SINGLE point I mad.
By the way - your AVATAR is n "image" . . .
 
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I'll try to stay honest and admit I wrote very badly. I actually did not know to whom Jefferson wrote <that quote> and still don't care, because what I honestly wanted to write was to remind the reader of the irony, that the first thing the president of the young America did, was to write the pope a letter begging him of all people for recognition of the new state while it was he and his Roman Catholic church who for many centuries tyrannised the mind of men and swore eternal hostility against every form of free thinking or free speech or protest or independence, and was the prime and sole cause that so many oppressed and persecuted fled from their fatherland to the new world.
And yet, you quoted a completely different document to make it sound worse.
Typical anti-Catholic maneuver . . .
 
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Yep because until than we never had them, love has always being the option.

I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written

oh yeh thats right He just wrote them...
Not very fair and just then for God to destroy all those good innocent guiltless upstanding citizens of Sodom seeing they had no law to understand sin huh.
And yet today, we can clearly read the law in the scriptures... Understand fully that sin is transgression against that law... And then maintain the law wasnt for us but for Israel using that as an excuse to transgress it... So ummm, why was that gentile city of Sodom destroyed again?
 

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No, it isn't. The law of sin and death is the carnal mind that is at enmity with God and cannot please Him.
KJV Romans 8
6 For to be carnally minded is death...

KJV Romans 7
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

It isn't a law of sin and death.... It is disobedience to the law which brings death., Which is sin.

Whether or not you ever see that the Ten Commandments IS the old covenant, with the sign of the Sabbath Exodus 34:38; Exodus 31:13, I still love and respect and praise God I was raised a Seventh-day Adventist. It taught me the fear of the Lord, and that is priceless.

The Old Covenant (the Ten Commandments) is called the "ministry of death." And you are totally correct that it is because of the carnal flesh that made it weak. Romans 8:3 " 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh..."

Certainly not by removing the law. But by removing us. We are the problem because of the fallen nature... So Jesus came, not to condemn the law, but to condemn sin, put to death the fallen nature, that we, being resurrected in Him, can rise up with new mattress in Christ and walk in obedience. Hence the scripture that says

KJV Romans 8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

You have a wonderful understanding of being born again of the Spirit. And I know this is true of Adventism. And God honors you. The eternal law is to love God with all your heart, mind and body, and to love your neighbor as yourself. This is what the Ten Commandments were fashioned after. But, by themselves, they didn't satisfy the righteous requirements of the eternal law. They were surface laws. The law of the Spirit (which you are conscience of) goes much deeper to the inner core of the matter, our very nature. The New Covenant of Jesus and the Holy Spirit (with a different sign, replacing the old sign), completely changes our nature. We must be born again. Except for the lack of knowledge of covenant signs, we agree.

2 Corinthians 3:
4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

cc: @quietthinker
 

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He shall save people from sin

He shall redeem (buy back) people from sin, and so save them from the wages of sin which is death.

Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn Just now ·
Jesus redeemed (payed the price) sin charges for its slave, and saved the slave from death, the wages sin would have paid him.

Point I want to make is, the Price is infinitely bigger than the wages would have been. None other than God could save sinners.
 
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Not very fair and just then for God to destroy all those good innocent guiltless upstanding citizens of Sodom seeing they had no law to understand sin huh.
Well since it was before Moses. I do doubt they did, God did send them someone to warn them just as He sent people to warn us yet still with all we have people still wont listen. The law does what?? . It kills people without mercy, tah twas all it could ever do, ever did. Should we go around the circle again.

Understand fully that sin is transgression against that law..

no its not, so much for your learning. Oh thats right you read the bible, nearly forgot, as did the JWs, catholics, mormans, la la la la and so on it goes, al claiming to have the "right religion". because they read the bible and you cant see how stupid it all is.
 

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This was related to this endless circle of the law we keep going round. Some people cant let things go

Would you let this go if you believed that the Church is in big trouble because the majority do not keep the Sabbath according to the law?

I too have a ministry, not to the world, but to the errors in the Church regarding willful sin.

Though our crusades are different, I recognize and respect the zeal.