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Hi Waiting,

I think God does use David to build up, though we can all use improvement!

:)

Much love!
I think people get their feelings hurt way too easily. They read into things and don't read what is actually being said. I do not apologize for being harsh. I do not apologize for "hurt feelings." Why? People have an inappropriate view of harshness and harm. They think that just because something hurts that you are causing harm. But that's not true. Surgery hurts, but is it causing harm? No. It is building up something that is incorrect to be corrected. That is the same approach I take.

To be fair, I would not use the same strategies with unbelievers as I do with false teachers, or with someone truly seeking to learn vs someone who keeps peddling error and not willing to listen to biblical instruction.
 
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You may want to do a word study on gentleness.
Greek: ἤπιος
Transliteration: ēpios
Pronunciation: ay'-pee-os
Definition: Probably from G2031; properly affable that is mild or kind: - gentle.
KJV Usage: gentle (2x).
Occurs: 2
In verses: 2
The scripture I quote said gentle

Gentleness is something different
 

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Greek: ἤπιος
Transliteration: ēpios
Pronunciation: ay'-pee-os
Definition: Probably from G2031; properly affable that is mild or kind: - gentle.
KJV Usage: gentle (2x).
Occurs: 2
In verses: 2
The scripture I quote said gentle

Gentleness is something different
Yes and it has to do with the way you present something, not what you are saying. For example, I'm not going to scream at someone, I am going to be gentle but stern.
 
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How can fresh water and foul come from the same spring? A tongue that blesses God and curses men should not be.

Good questions. John 15:19 comes to mind “If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.”

the world would love his own is boldly significant when God said you are not of the world which would loves his own but loves beyond “his own”. Luke 6:31-33 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. [32] For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. [33] And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

Luke 6:27-28 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, [28] Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

He said to be perfect as your Father is perfect making it rain on the just and the unjust ...is not the message there: God is not as the world which would love His own but beyond and is “perfect love”. Are the children of God (not of this world which would love his own) to bless the world which hates them?
 
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A question would be does denominations teach this “would love his own” where if you are not a part or accept their denomination then you are not a part of its own?
Does religion teach this “would love his own” same as the world echoes?
 

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A question would be does denominations teach this “would love his own” where if you are not a part or accept their denomination then you are not a part of its own?
Does religion teach this “would love his own” same as the world echoes?
At least one or two to my knowledge, who believe strongly that they are the focal point or even the only gathering of the true Body of Christ, teach this directly. There are probably others.

Most other organized groups likely effectively teach the same thing by the way they act and react to people. To them the local folks are treated like the one.

Among organized church groups it might harder to find one where this is not prevalent to some degree.
 
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At least one or two to my knowledge, who believe strongly that they are the focal point or even the only gathering of the true Body of Christ, teach this directly. There are probably others.

Most other organized groups likely effectively teach the same thing by the way they act and react to people. To them the local folks are treated like the one.

Among organized church groups it might harder to find one where this is not prevalent to some degree.

I’ve been thinking about it a lot the past couple of days. My husband and I went to a bible study and they do not believe the same as us. He keeps asking if I want to go back this Thursday. Yes, I do. I think he does too. We loved the people and enjoyed being with them.
 
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Dr. Larry Dossey has written a well-researched book on the power of prayer to kill or harm entitled "Be Careful What You Ask for." Tribal shamans effectively use curses to kill. But I think I've recently encountered an effective diabolical curse that destroyed an evangelical spiritual warfare group of 12. A Christian cult leader didn't gain a sympathetic ear for his teaching in a nearby church. So he threatened to curse that church. The pastor told me he wasn't worried about this because his church had God's protection. Then a cult member started showing up in that church, taking camera pictures of the sanctuary and the people. This freaked out the people and they asked him to desist. Eventually, scandal and a spirit of division erupted in that church, so that this pastor was forced to resign and all but 2 of the 12 members in that prayer group not only left that church, but stopped attending any church! The 2 survivors are currently members of our weekly interdenominational prayer group of 7 and filled me in the demonic details of the demise of their former spiritual warfare group. I have never met more godly believers than these 2.

I am sobered by the unanswered question of how Satan could so decisively defeat godly Christians who were only trying to serve Him and the needs of disturbed souls. On one occasion, a member was celebrating the fact that the group was protected from Satan and that no evil spirit could overcome a prayer-soaked believer. But when he got into his car, he was temporarily possessed and began foaming at the mouth and thrashing around violently in his car! This group had effectively performed some exorcisms. I suspect that pride subtly found its way into some members of their group in a way that left them vulnerable to supernatural attack. I guess one moral of the story is this: to effectively combat supernatural evil one must recognize that personal merit has nothing to do with success. One must be totally rely on God's protective power with true humility.

Fortunately, our new prayer group has witnessed several marvelous miracles and other answers to prayer, but not in recent months. I worry that subtle changes in attitude can sabotage the effectiveness of the most godly prayer group. I pray for spiritual discernment.
 
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Dr. Larry Dossey has written a well-researched book on the power of prayer to kill or harm entitled "Be Careful What You Ask for." Tribal shamans effectively use curses to kill. But I think I've recently encountered an effective diabolical curse that destroyed an evangelical spiritual warfare group of 12. A Christian cult leader didn't gain a sympathetic ear for his teaching in a nearby church. So he threatened to curse that church. The pastor told me he wasn't worried about this because his church had God's protection. Then a cult member started showing up in that church, taking camera pictures of the sanctuary and the people. This freaked out the people and they asked him to desist. Eventually, scandal and a spirit of division erupted in that church, so that this pastor was forced to resign and all but 2 of the 12 members in that prayer group not only left that church, but stopped attending any church! The 2 survivors are currently members of our weekly interdenominational prayer group of 7 and filled me in the demonic details of the demise of their former spiritual warfare group. I have never met more godly believers than these 2.

I am sobered by the unanswered question of how Satan could so decisively defeat godly Christians who were only trying to serve Him and the needs of disturbed souls. On one occasion, a member was celebrating the fact that the group was protected from Satan and that no evil spirit could overcome a prayer-soaked believer. But when he got into his car, he was temporarily possessed and began foaming at the mouth and thrashing around violently in his car! This group had effectively performed some exorcisms. I suspect that pride subtly found its way into some members of their group in a way that left them vulnerable to supernatural attack. I guess one moral of the story is this: to effectively combat supernatural evil one must recognize that personal merit has nothing to do with success. One must be totally rely on God's protective power with true humility.

Fortunately, our new prayer group has witnessed several marvelous miracles and other answers to prayer, but not in recent months. I worry that subtle changes in attitude can sabotage the effectiveness of the most godly prayer group. I pray for spiritual discernment.

your post made me think of : Acts 23:12-16 And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul. [13] And they were more than forty which had made this conspiracy. [14] And they came to the chief priests and elders, and said, We have bound ourselves under a great curse, that we will eat nothing until we have slain Paul. [15] Now therefore ye with the council signify to the chief captain that he bring him down unto you to morrow, as though ye would enquire something more perfectly concerning him: and we, or ever he come near, are ready to kill him. [16] And when Paul's sister's son heard of their lying in wait, he went and entered into the castle, and told Paul.

Lying in wait is repeated again later “laid in wait” in the passage. “Lie in wait” usually speaks of satan. “Lying in wait to deceive” Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

overcome those of God? perceived with eyes but we also know those above did not overcome Paul. No more than those who nailed Jesus to the cross crying for blood overcome Christ. Same as disease in the body does not overcome the inward man but that which is inward overcomes that which is outward. Point is, you do not know they failed just by what you see and perceive as a failure. never have read how all the disciples died but have heard it wasn’t pretty...we can not then say they failed and were all overcome because here we are as the message of Christ spread as said it would.
 

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I’ve been thinking about it a lot the past couple of days. My husband and I went to a bible study and they do not believe the same as us. He keeps asking if I want to go back this Thursday. Yes, I do. I think he does too. We loved the people and enjoyed being with them.
I certainly hear you on this. I am glad you and you husband found people you enjoyed being with...

I haven't visited any service or Bible study at all outside the Internet for a few weeks. The Internet is not quite the same. Since I had to quit my regular place of worship a bit over a year ago I am missing some things. So I also plan to visit some place this coming weekend. Finding a church to visit is easy enough, but to also find people who will tolerate me and also not stifle me may be somewhat more difficult. Hopefully the Lord will help.

I am also thinking that it would be nice to join a Bible study in someone's home. Like you and your husband I probably cannot find anyone who believes very much like me... but I am usually able to tolerate substantial differences. If it turned out too badly, I would not have to visit again. If I could find people willing, I would be willing to hold one in my own apartment. My wife has a lot of bad days, but on her good days I know she would join with me.
 
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wondering if the church forum is an appropriate place to discuss “cursing”? This question was posted by another member in another thread and both are good questions for consideration. “You think cursing is appropriate? Clearly you are not speaking with the spirit of Christ here.”

Deuteronomy 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

You think cursing is appropriate? Asked here the answer is often: yes I do. I do think cursing is appropriate. I think cursing and death is appropriate. Then Why?

Clearly you are not speaking with the spirit of Christ here. Does the spirit of Christ speak: the curse and death or the blessing and Life? Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Are we keeping His commandments while cursing others? Are we hypocrites? Are we speaking with the Spirit of Christ while cursing others to hell? So confused and drowning here ...because there seems to be a lot of doctrine and claiming of keeping the Law while speaking the curse and death, rather than the blessing and Life which we claim is our own.
When does Christ say ANATHEMA! (ACCURSED!) (without redemption)
 

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I think people get their feelings hurt way too easily. They read into things and don't read what is actually being said. I do not apologize for being harsh. I do not apologize for "hurt feelings." Why? People have an inappropriate view of harshness and harm. They think that just because something hurts that you are causing harm. But that's not true.
Surgery hurts, but is it causing harm? No. It is building up something that is incorrect to be corrected. That is the same approach I take.

To be fair, I would not use the same strategies with unbelievers as I do with false teachers, or with someone truly seeking to learn vs someone who keeps peddling error and not willing to listen to biblical instruction.
Yes, and even more strictly, more severely, in life,
if a man is without scourging,
as written in the Bible,
they are NOT a son.
 
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