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101G

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To BARNEY BRIGHT, for your edification. you may copy this for future reference.

“Why the Lord Jesus don’t know his return date”
1. Teaching Scripture: Matthew 6:3 "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth”.

2. Revealing Scripture:Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more”.

3. Revelation Scripture: Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals”.

from these scriptures alone it will answer your question, "If Jesus were the Almighty God he wouldn't need anybody to give him any kind of revelation. Almighty God can reveal anything without anyone's help".

well let's see. the answer to our Lord's not knowing his "RETURN" Date is a simple ACT of his "WILL".

Matthew 6:3 "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". question, how can one do something themselves without knowing about it. your right hand, and left hand is a part of you, that you control, so how can you not know. the answer, because you "will" it not to be known. sound strange? NO, I have done it myself. when someone come to me in confidentiality, I will myself not to remember as to what have been said unto me, because I will not to remember it. Let’s see how God do it. scripture, Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more". see that? "and I (will) remember their sin no more". HOLD IT, how can almighty, all knowing God not remember? Answer, it's an act of the will. he wills "not" to remember. just as he said in Matthew 6:3b "let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth", "let" is an act of the will. so how do all of this relates to our Lord's not knowing his return date. answer, Revelation chapter 5. our Lord, Jesus is sitting on the throne. what happens? the Spirit, (the Father, the Holy Ghost), comes and takes the book out of his hand, correct, question, which hand did he take the book out of?, the right hand. Remember Matthew 6:3 "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". by the Father, (the Holy Spirit. the Lamb), taking the book out of his "RIGHT" hand he, the Lord Jesus, wills not to KNOW his return DATE. because the book contains all the information of what's to come. so, only the Father, (the Holy Spirit), knows because the father took the book out of his ... get this "HIS OWN "RIGHT" hand. remember this scripture, Exodus 15:6 "Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy". the Lord Jesus is the RIGHT HAND of God himself.

so, by our Lord Jesus being in flesh and bone, and as mediator, he fulfills the DAVIDIC PROPHECY, Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool". The until is written in the book that was in the Lord's right hand, with the seals unbroken. So the Lord Jesus statement is true, no one knows only he who took the book, and that’s the FATHER, Jesus himself without flesh and bone. and it is the Father/Holy Spirit who is now on earth, making his enemy his footstool. again the beauty of "diversity", God in and out of Fesh. so the answer is in the "will" of God. God have a "will", a plan. and it is clearly seen in the Godly principle of Matthew 6:3. "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". and this act of the will is plainly seen in Revelation chapter 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals", got it now, do you understand the Godly principle of the "WILL?".

Another mystery cleared up, by knowing diversity.

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101G

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Clarifying here: I do not believe the Athanasian Creed, which is the academic/historical understanding of the historical / Creedal Trinitarian views. I specifically reject this, specifically on the point of *how* three are one.
ok, my mistake. so where do you stand on the Godhead as to "PERSON(S)?

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ok, so how did you get to believe that? just asking, was it taught to you, or was it by revelation?

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Scripture & study & revelation.

I acknowledge that you have a different view of this and totally respect that.
 

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Scripture & study & revelation.

I acknowledge that you have a different view of this and totally respect that.
same here, but I'm not worried about mine, but maybe I can understand your view better.

if you don't mind, what scriptures you use to support your doctrine?.

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same here, but I'm not worried about mine, but maybe I can understand your view better.

if you don't mind, what scriptures you use to support your doctrine?.

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There's a lot. For me to best answer, would you mind specifying which sub-point you're looking to address?
 

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There's a lot. For me to best answer, would you mind specifying which sub-point you're looking to address?
sure, the scriptures that identify the person(s) in the Godhead. not by titles, but by Name.

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sure, the scriptures that identify the person(s) in the Godhead. not by titles, but by Name.

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They all usually go by titles. Only Jesus is given a name specifically, and heck both of those names are titles themselves.
 

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They all usually go by titles. Only Jesus is given a name specifically, and heck both of those names are titles themselves.
Agreed, the only Name of God is "JESUS". supportive scripture,
Zechariah 14:9 "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The name, not name(s). for the name of the Father, (which is a title), is “JESUS”, the Name of the Son is “JESUS", and the Name of the Holy Ghost is “JESUS". See how the prophet Zechariah stated the verse, “his name one”. not their names one, but “his” name one name. This is bared out in

Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
here it is REVEALED.
John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

see, in the OT, God, JESUS, the Holy Spirit, "appeared" in similitudes, or what we calls a Christophany. and his Name was not know in the OT because he did not "Manifest" in person, hence his name was not given yet. understand the difference between an "Apperance" vs a "Manifestation". understand in the OT he appeared in different way, scripture, Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets". so in his OT appearing it was a similitudes in apperance. you might want to make a cross reference of Hosea 12:10, and Romans 5:14b. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come". for figure is synonyms with similitude by the term "form" which also means similar nature as in Phil 2:6.

Now specially, the name "JESUS" is a whole topic by itself.

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Agreed, the only Name of God is "JESUS". supportive scripture,
Zechariah 14:9 "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The name, not name(s). for the name of the Father, (which is a title), is “JESUS”, the Name of the Son is “JESUS", and the Name of the Holy Ghost is “JESUS". See how the prophet Zechariah stated the verse, “his name one”. not their names one, but “his” name one name. This is bared out in

Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
here it is REVEALED.
John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

see, in the OT, God, JESUS, the Holy Spirit, "appeared" in similitudes, or what we calls a Christophany. and his Name was not know in the OT because he did not "Manifest" in person, hence his name was not given yet. understand the difference between an "Apperance" vs a "Manifestation". understand in the OT he appeared in different way, scripture, Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets". so in his OT appearing it was a similitudes in apperance. you might want to make a cross reference of Hosea 12:10, and Romans 5:14b. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come". for figure is synonyms with similitude by the term "form" which also means similar nature as in Phil 2:6.

Now specially, the name "JESUS" is a whole topic by itself.

PICJAG.
Thank you for sharing your view here. It does help me understand you better, though obviously I see things differently.
 

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Thank you for sharing your view here. It does help me understand you better, though obviously I see things differently.
well if you see things differently, please post them. maybe I can be enlighten.

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well if you see things differently, please post them. maybe I can be enlighten.

PICJAG.
From my perspective, you view seems to be a modulist.

For me, I'm less name-literally-specifically focused, taking a more symbolic approach to things.
 

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From my perspective, you view seems to be a modulist.

For me, I'm less name-literally-specifically focused, taking a more symbolic approach to things.
(smile) ... LOL, you think I believe in modalism? no, and again we say NO. I'm a "diversified oneness". which is no way even close to modalism. but this is the typical reaction when one confront my view of God in a "diversified" fashion. even the name "diversity" lets one know it's not modalism. oh well, but look, I'm not offended ok, for I hear this all the time.

so since we're stuck on person(s), speaking of modalism, the trinity is a good description of that in "Reverse"... :D

but lets discuss your three persons and lets see if it's one person or three. what a better way to begain, .... at the beginning.

one of your go to scripture?,
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth".

do you mind that we discuss this verse, is it ok with you?

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(smile) ... LOL, you think I believe in modalism? no, and again we say NO. I'm a "diversified oneness". which is no way even close to modalism. but this is the typical reaction when one confront my view of God in a "diversified" fashion. even the name "diversity" lets one know it's not modalism. oh well, but look, I'm not offended ok, for I hear this all the time.
I am sorry I misunderstood, and thank you for not getting offended!

I do not understand what you mean by "diversified oneness", but that's ok.
but lets discuss your three persons and lets see if it's one person or three. what a better way to begain
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one of your go to scripture?,
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth".
Oh this is a big verse :) and very much showing the multiple divine persons.


Again, I'm anti-debate. You're welcome to ask to understand, but not to try to change.
 

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I am sorry I misunderstood, and thank you for not getting offended!

I do not understand what you mean by "diversified oneness", but that's ok.

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Oh this is a big verse :) and very much showing the multiple divine persons.


Again, I'm anti-debate. You're welcome to ask to understand, but not to try to change.
no debate, but discuss, ok. by asking each other question, one can get to the TRUTH. if you don't mind I'll go first.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
NOW the very next verse,
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them"

ok, JD, I hope you don't mind me calling you JD for short. but my question is this, "how could God go from a "US" and "OUR", a plurality in verse 26 to a singularity of "HIS", and "HE" in the very next verse, verse 27?. care to expound on that?

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no debate, but discuss, ok. by asking each other question, one can get to the TRUTH.
No.

Truth comes from God, not from people arguing on debate forums.

I am not interested in trying to change your views, and would appreciate it if you show me the same courtesy. In fact, I insist upon it.

Is that ok with you?
 

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No.

Truth comes from God, not from people arguing on debate forums.

I am not interested in trying to change your views, and would appreciate it if you show me the same courtesy. In fact, I insist upon it.

Is that ok with you?
#1. who's arguing? it's just U and I. and 2. yes the TRUTH comes from God, and did not his word which is TRUTH, the scriptures come from God?

but if you're not willing to discuss the scriptures, then that's fine. Good day

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#1. who's arguing? it's just U and I. and 2. yes the TRUTH comes from God, and did not his word which is TRUTH, the scriptures come from God?

but if you're not willing to discuss the scriptures, then that's fine. Good day

PICJAG.
Again, truth doesn't comes from people arguing (or talking) on a forum. I was asking to better understand your view. If I want to discover Truth, I turn to God.
 

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"The only name of God is Jesus"??

Then how is it that one who is God alone declares His name to be YHWH hundreds of times in the OT? And His followers call his name YHWH thousands of times in the OT?

YHWH is not the Hebrew word for 'Lord' (ADN) and is clearly mistranslated as 'LORD' thousands of times in most trinitarian-translated Bibles. Hebrew words in the ancient manuscripts had no vowels. So, today, translators must add the more-recently added vowel points into translations. So ADN becomes adonai ('Lord' in English).

But, in spite of the reluctance of most Trinitarian scholars to recognize the name of God in the OT, the KJV, for example, somehow actually transliterated YHWH as 'Jehovah' (probably pronounced 'Yehowah' originally) in a very few places - most notably Psalm 83:18. As a result 'Jehovah' became the traditional transliteration of YHWH in English translations. The following are among the very few translations using the traditional 'Jehovah' in most of the thousands of places YHWH is found in the OT text: Young's Literal Translation; American Standard Version; The Interlinear Bible; etc.

There are a few other translations which transliterate YHWH as 'Yahweh' (Jerusalem Bible; NJB; The Emphasized Bible; etc.

But the point is that God has a personal name (YHWH) and it is not 'LORD.' Its meaning is not 'I AM,' but more likely 'He Will Be.' His TITLES include 'Lord' which was also a title for any person in authority, including kings, prophets, angels, etc.

The name of Jesus, like so many other Israelite names, honors the Father (YHWH). In fact, the name of Joshua (Heb. 4:8 NT Greek text) as transliterated into NT Greek is also Jesus. So Joshua, like Isaiah, was also named 'YHWH is Savior' or 'YHWH saves.'

Does that mean that all the other people in the Bible whose names had that same meaning (which includes all those named “Jesus,” “Joshua,” “Jeshuah,” and “Isaiah”) are also Jehovah?

No one ever mistook the personal names of these good men as implying that THEY were God!!! And so it was with Jesus.

Oh yes, and 'the Holy Spirit' is not a personal name at all but a description of a neuter thing (neuter gender in NT Greek). It is never given a personal name.
 
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