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The Destruction of Iran in the Last Days =Jeremiah 49

God says==“Behold, I will break the bow of Elam(Iran) , the chief of their might” (Jeremiah 49:35)===========and so He has!!
 

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The Destruction of Iran in the Last Days =Jeremiah 49

God says==“Behold, I will break the bow of Elam(Iran) , the chief of their might” (Jeremiah 49:35)===========and so He has!!

Jeremiah 49:35
[35] Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might.

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

1 Corinthians 15:55-56 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? [56] The sting of death is sin; and the strength(Might) of sin is the law.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
...to save sinners ..to break the chief of their might? Has He not overcome the sting(sin) of death? “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?“ this coming from one who said he was chief of sinners.
 
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The Destruction of Iran in the Last Days =Jeremiah 49

God says==“Behold, I will break the bow of Elam(Iran) , the chief of their might” (Jeremiah 49:35)===========and so He has!!


read the whole chapter, this chapter is about what Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon (the hammer) servant of God, will do to the lands in what is now the middle east. it was Jeremiah's writings that clued in Danial on the time in which the Lord his God would bring Israel back into the land of Israel.
 
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The Destruction of Iran in the Last Days =Jeremiah 49

God says==“Behold, I will break the bow of Elam(Iran) , the chief of their might” (Jeremiah 49:35)===========and so He has!!

Wait...I thought you guys were waiting for Iran, Russia and Turkey to invade Israel. How can that happen if God has 'broken the bow of Iran'??
 
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Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog(Iran,Russia, Turkey and other Muslims ) a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

Ezekiel 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

Ezekiel 39:15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog. "bones set aside because of radiation"
 

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Do you follow little men's ideas and opinion or God's eternal living Word??
 
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Yay!!! Woohoo!!!! Go Go Go the USA!!! DESTROY ALL THOSE RAGHEADS!!!
How dare those Ahabs hate Israel and threaten us. Who do they think they are? Are not we the chosen people to rule and to export our great democratic freedoms to the world? How dare they resist us and resist the destiny that God has chosen for them!!
Let God show no mercy!
 
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God Words about Israel===
Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
 

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Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog(Iran,Russia, Turkey and other Muslims ) a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

Ezekiel 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

Ezekiel 39:15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog. "bones set aside because of radiation"
Thanks for sharing, very informative! Praying for Israel. Peace to you in Jesus name.
 

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The Destruction of Iran in the Last Days =Jeremiah 49

God says==“Behold, I will break the bow of Elam(Iran) , the chief of their might” (Jeremiah 49:35)===========and so He has!!
Well not quite. Those things of Ezekiel must unfold. But yes the bow will be broken as of yet, it is not. Iran really has no chance against America. It would need the backing of Russia. Clearly, they really are the only ones who could possibly even consider going toe to toe with America.America who is now owned by the Edom in Israel .Russian with the myriad soldiers of China would have to jump in. The end result you point out, does not come without first a heavy cost that Ezekiel speaks of. Prayers.
 

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Yay!!! Woohoo!!!! Go Go Go the USA!!! DESTROY ALL THOSE RAGHEADS!!!
How dare those Ahabs hate Israel and threaten us. Who do they think they are? Are not we the chosen people to rule and to export our great democratic freedoms to the world? How dare they resist us and resist the destiny that God has chosen for them!!
Let God show no mercy!
Well that is racist! and know America has a destiny too and it is revealed in the scriptures. Not all from those regions are evil. In all war many innocent people too are killed. The funny thing is, it would seem you assume that those who fulfill the left hand God prophecies are righteous?
Daniel 4:17
17This decision is the decree of the watchers, the verdict declared by the holy ones, so that the living will know that the Most High is ruler over the kingdom of mankind, and gives it to whom He wishes, setting over it the lowliest of men.’

The point is "lowliest" is lower than simply lowly which God chooses from (lowly) to make servants to Himself.Lowliest means they are made rulers of worldly kingdoms. It means the worst kind of people. So do not assume that the leaders of America will not be cast down too. God's will be done! ISRAEL ! God will prevail!
 
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Well that is racist! and know America has a destiny too and it is revealed in the scriptures. Not all from those regions are evil. In all war many innocent people too are killed. The funny thing is, it would seem you assume that those who fulfill the left hand God prophecies are righteous?
Daniel 4:17
17This decision is the decree of the watchers, the verdict declared by the holy ones, so that the living will know that the Most High is ruler over the kingdom of mankind, and gives it to whom He wishes, setting over it the lowliest of men.’

The point is "lowliest" is lower than simply lowly which God chooses from (lowly) to make servants to Himself.Lowliest means they are made rulers of worldly kingdoms. It means the worst kind of people. So do not assume that the leaders of America will not be cast down too. God's will be done! ISRAEL ! God will prevail!
Was wondering if any would not recognise my tongue in cheek perspective. That is the first time anyone has suggested in racist. Yay for new experiences... Makes life interesting.

As for your suggestion that I think America's leaders won't be cast down... Quite the opposite. I KNOW America's leaders will be cast down... And not just their leaders, but the nation. Yes, the Bible declares America has a role to play...a destiny to fulfill... But methinks you have no idea what that is and what it will lead to. Most Americans are so full of their own global self importance they cannot see how they are in fact working hand in glove with Antichrist.
 
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Was wondering if any would not recognise my tongue in cheek perspective. That is the first time anyone has suggested in racist. Yay for new experiences... Makes life interesting.

As for your suggestion that I think America's leaders won't be cast down... Quite the opposite. I KNOW America's leaders will be cast down... And not just their leaders, but the nation. Yes, the Bible declares America has a role to play...a destiny to fulfill... But methinks you have no idea what that is and what it will lead to. Most Americans are so full of their own global self importance they cannot see how they are in fact working hand in glove with Antichrist.
Me! I got it! :p
Still not sure on the "America is working with the Antichrist" perspective. But yeah, sometimes its hard to ignore how obvious it is that Americans think the world revolves around them. I suppose partly because its true. Presently they are the military and economic powerhouse. But it can be fun/frustrating to see that attitude spill into everything else...including theology.
 
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Still not sure on the "America is working with the Antichrist" perspective.
Okay, I know you didn't ask, but what kind of gentleman would I be to leave a lady unsure? ... this is going to open a can of worms...
In Revelation13 there are two beasts. The first is the composite beast known to be the Antichrist. Beasts are not portrayed in prophecy to represent individuals. The original beasts of Daniel 7 of which the revelation 13 beast comprises, ate not individuals.. They are nations.. Empires even, and the composite beast is no exception otherwise God would be sowing confusion. To identify who the beast actually is, who that Empire actually is, who that Antichrist actually is, is relatively easy, so long as you don't go off the rails into looking at our expecting individuals to fulfill the criteria demanded of the prophecy, for that is where futurists get into all manner of trouble, confusion, and contradiction. I can offer all the evidence needed to prove that beast, the composite of Babylon, Meda Persia, Greece, and Rome, is none other than the papacy. More evidence on hand if needed.
Presently they are the military and economic powerhouse.
Which is why the second beast of revelation 13, the nation that enforces the mark of the first beast, that enforces submission to the papacy, can only be the United states. It is the only power that again, can meet all the criteria demanded of prophecy. The United States is the power that creates the image to the first beast.. An image to the papal union of church and state... Which means that America will establish a Protestant version of the church state union but in submission to papal authority. And if people cannot see that taking place as we speak they are blind.
 

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Okay, I know you didn't ask, but what kind of gentleman would I be to leave a lady unsure? ... this is going to open a can of worms...
Oh brakelite, I honestly expect no less from you! This gave me such a good laugh. And, I would hope you know me well enough by now to know I welcome your can. "Release the worms". :p

In Revelation13 there are two beasts. The first is the composite beast known to be the Antichrist. Beasts are not portrayed in prophecy to represent individuals. The original beasts of Daniel 7 of which the revelation 13 beast comprises, ate not individuals.. They are nations.. Empires even, and the composite beast is no exception otherwise God would be sowing confusion. To identify who the beast actually is, who that Empire actually is, who that Antichrist actually is, is relatively easy, so long as you don't go off the rails into looking at our expecting individuals to fulfill the criteria demanded of the prophecy, for that is where futurists get into all manner of trouble, confusion, and contradiction. I can offer all the evidence needed to prove that beast, the composite of Babylon, Meda Persia, Greece, and Rome, is none other than the papacy. More evidence on hand if needed.
So far so good, mostly. I actually fully agree with you that Revelation's beasts point to the visions Daniel had of the beasts. Revelation again and again pulls imagery from the OT, requiring us to see how they interpreted that image. Understanding how they interpreted it, lets us know how we ought to in Revelation. So, yes, I agree that the Beast is not likely meant to be a specific person but perhaps a nation, empire or, maybe in today's consideration, a corporation. I think the only 'extra' I would add to the subject at large here is that both Paul and John seem to speak quite clearly of A person who would come at the end. THE Antichrist. THE man of lawlessness. Every nation, empire or corporation must, by necessity, have someone leading them, however, so I suppose that presents not too big of an issue when trying to consider the picture as a whole.

As far as the papacy being the beast, I do believe I have heard the argument before. Feel free to present it again, as it was some time ago. I do freely admit that at times in the past both RCC and Pope displayed characteristics of antichrist. But as John said, there are many antichrist already in the world. I suppose the question is; does it fit the characteristics to be the ultimate and final one? I'm not actually sure that's something that anyone can answer until the time for the Antichrist "to be revealed".

Which is why the second beast of revelation 13, the nation that enforces the mark of the first beast, that enforces submission to the papacy, can only be the United states. It is the only power that again, can meet all the criteria demanded of prophecy. The United States is the power that creates the image to the first beast.. An image to the papal union of church and state... Which means that America will establish a Protestant version of the church state union but in submission to papal authority. And if people cannot see that taking place as we speak they are blind.

Mmm. See...this is where I find things get....wobby. Is America powerful? Yes. Now. But could something happen to knock them off their perch? Sure. Nothing is set in stone. Except scripture. And we just don't see America in scripture. The balance in the world is a delicate thing. China is a looming menace in both finance and technology. They too are building their military might. Russia is strong under Putin. A war with either could put America in a position where they won't be able to dictate to anyone.
So...my trouble with saying that the Antichrist HAS to be the papacy, when Paul tells us that 'the man of lawlessness' won't be revealed until the restrainer (whoever he is) is taken away, is that you are assuming that the restrainer was removed hundreds of years ago, and you've known since then. Paul also tells us that this "man" will be killed by Christ AT his coming, implying that this will be an end time event. Then when we move on to assuming that America MUST be the second beast, we are again assuming that America and all other Countries will continue on as they are.
That is far too many assumptions and maybe's in my book. You know I'll listen to your argument and consider it, but at the moment, that's where I sit.
 
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And if people cannot see that taking place as we speak they are blind.
What other people can see is the plain prophecy of Revelation 17:15-18:
...The waters you saw where the great whore sat enthroned, represent nations and peoples, all the peoples of the world. As for the ten horns and the 'beast', they will come to hate the whore, they will strip her naked and leave her destitute and burn her up.
For God has put it into their minds, to carry out His purpose and to give their authority to the 'beast' until God's Words are fulfilled. The woman you saw is the city that has control over the kings of the earth.


This prophetic passage plainly refers to the RCC and the ten 'kings', who give up their rule to the 'beast', as separate identities.
The 'beast' or the Anti-Christ; destroys the RCC and demands worship of himself. Revelation 13:15

AS for the USA, they are powerful today, but many prophesies say they will lose their strength. Jeremiah 50:23, Isaiah 18:1-6
 
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Oh brakelite, I honestly expect no less from you! This gave me such a good laugh. And, I would hope you know me well enough by now to know I welcome your can. "Release the worms". :p


So far so good, mostly. I actually fully agree with you that Revelation's beasts point to the visions Daniel had of the beasts. Revelation again and again pulls imagery from the OT, requiring us to see how they interpreted that image. Understanding how they interpreted it, lets us know how we ought to in Revelation. So, yes, I agree that the Beast is not likely meant to be a specific person but perhaps a nation, empire or, maybe in today's consideration, a corporation. I think the only 'extra' I would add to the subject at large here is that both Paul and John seem to speak quite clearly of A person who would come at the end. THE Antichrist. THE man of lawlessness. Every nation, empire or corporation must, by necessity, have someone leading them, however, so I suppose that presents not too big of an issue when trying to consider the picture as a whole.

As far as the papacy being the beast, I do believe I have heard the argument before. Feel free to present it again, as it was some time ago. I do freely admit that at times in the past both RCC and Pope displayed characteristics of antichrist. But as John said, there are many antichrist already in the world. I suppose the question is; does it fit the characteristics to be the ultimate and final one? I'm not actually sure that's something that anyone can answer until the time for the Antichrist "to be revealed".



Mmm. See...this is where I find things get....wobby. Is America powerful? Yes. Now. But could something happen to knock them off their perch? Sure. Nothing is set in stone. Except scripture. And we just don't see America in scripture. The balance in the world is a delicate thing. China is a looming menace in both finance and technology. They too are building their military might. Russia is strong under Putin. A war with either could put America in a position where they won't be able to dictate to anyone.
So...my trouble with saying that the Antichrist HAS to be the papacy, when Paul tells us that 'the man of lawlessness' won't be revealed until the restrainer (whoever he is) is taken away, is that you are assuming that the restrainer was removed hundreds of years ago, and you've known since then. Paul also tells us that this "man" will be killed by Christ AT his coming, implying that this will be an end time event. Then when we move on to assuming that America MUST be the second beast, we are again assuming that America and all other Countries will continue on as they are.
That is far too many assumptions and maybe's in my book. You know I'll listen to your argument and consider it, but at the moment, that's where I sit.
And all very normal challenges and questions. And I wouldn't expect anything less from you lol.
I have done this before... Presented my reasons for believing the papacy to be the Antichrist. The Antichrist, not just an Antichrist, or one of several. And yes, everything starts in Daniel. One cannot take Revelation or the writings of John and Paul as stand alone texts referring to Antichrist without referencing Daniel. Yet this is never without criticism. Several Catholic apologists on this forum go to great lengths to turn the arguments around and even deny history... Let alone skew the prophecies themselves to take the focus away from Rome (understandably) and point people's fingers toward something... Someone... Anyone else. And that has been an ongoing strategy since the reformers all agreed and pointed their collective fingers in the direction of the Tiber River, which spawned the counter reformation and the global advertising and propaganda campaign to refute and destroy the reformation. The Jesuits were at the forefront of this campaign... And with the Jesuit Pope now inviting the world to return to Mum, and protestants no longer identifying themselves as belonging to the reformation movement, the concepts and truths that for 400 years drove the reformation are now meet often with derision and accusations of hate speech and historical revisionism.

There are ten basic major criteria that must be met in order for any identification of the papacy as being the Antichrist to be affirmed. Many Adventists, who virtually alone in the world now represent the full reformation perspective on this topic, have written numerous books, tracts, articles, explaining from scripture and history why there really can be no other option on the table. WADR, no corporation, individual, or nation can fulfill all those criteria, which is why the only real Catholic defence was in inventing the futurist hermeneutic... Pointing to some imaginary individual in the future saves them from comparing such an individual to those criteria. They, and Protestant futurists, however have a problem. They cannot deny history. And Jesus said,
KJV John 14
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
This is the key to understanding prophecy. Not clairvoyant futurism... But an honest study of history.
 

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29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Jesus also said: This is the revelation of Jesus Christ; which God gave to Him, that He might show His servants what must soon take place...…..Revelation 1:1

Daniel 12:10 ...a few wise people will understand.

I agree that most people who do read the Prophetic Word, will fail to grasp the true meaning and purpose of God's plan for mankind, now and in the end times. That is perfectly logical and sensible. God doesn't want all to know about it, it is the great time of testing to winnow out those unworthy and to reward those who stand firm in their faith thru it all.

John 14:29 I have told you now, before it all happens, so that when it all does happen; you may have faith. REBible

You say we should 'do an honest study of history'.
I say to you; that to use ten of the destroyers of the Roman Empire, over a long period of time, as the fulfilment of the ten kings who are prophesied to rule the world, all at one time; is a dishonest use of history.
 
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