QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 11 2009, 04:22 PM)
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Lastly, if you don't believe God. Why did God say He will kill Satan then? And Satan is one of His sons. (Isaiah 14:15, Ezekiel 28:18, John 17:12)
You'll have to look more deeply into each of these texts. I'll demonstrate what I mean here...let's look at Isaiah 14 "in context"....
Isaiah 14:4-20 4That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! 5The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. 6He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. 7The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. 8Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. 9Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
It's important to understand that the prophet Isaiah wasn't "directly" addressing Satan. Isaiah was told to prophesy against the "king of Babylon", a real living ruler in his day. So Isaiah writes this proverb of rebuke against this human king...yet we see something interesting...as Isaiah addresses this human "king" Isaiah begins to also address the spirit operating behind this king...Satan himself. So Isaiah is addressing a human king who is essentially possessed of the Devil. This is primarily rebuking and speaking a proverb against a human king...however, we see glimmers of the nature of the evil possessing this king. It is the "king of Babylon" who God will kill...not Satan, the spirit possessing him. Such was the custom of Eastern prophets.The same case can be made regarding the text you site in Ezekiel 28....
Ezekiel 28:12-18 12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Again, as with Isaiah, we see that Ezekiel was addressing a human king, the king of Tyrus. Yet we also see that Ezekiel is addressing the spirit possessing Tyrus. Obviously this is the same spirit Isaiah faced when addressing the king of Babylon...the spirit of Satan. The doom and death predicted isn't issued against Satan per se...but rather the king to which this rebuke is addressed.John 17 reads...
John 17:1212While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Jesus was speaking of Judas Escariot who was possessed of the Devil, not the Devil himself (Luke 22:3)Hope that adequately expains my thoughts regarding your question. God bless.QUOTE (tomwebster @ Mar 11 2009, 04:33 PM)
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