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Are the founders beliefs that the American Revolution was Biblical true?

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Brian_B

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Many nations were born from a civil or revolutionary event. As Americans we are told continuously about the God given rights and liberties our founders fought for. Rights ordained by God himself who justified our war against England.

Does God condone such actions? Were our founders justifications for revolt Biblical? If so, would other conflicts to re-secure rights be just as acceptable?
 

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Many nations were born from a civil or revolutionary event.
wadr those are countries, legally incorporated, and not nations, who share the same culture and mores, and dont care about incorporation
Does God condone such actions? Were our founders justifications for revolt Biblical? If so, would other conflicts to re-secure rights be just as acceptable?
7And the LORD said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people in all that they say to you. For it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected Me as their king.
8Just as they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking Me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you.
9Now listen to them, but you must solemnly warn them and show them the manner of the king who will reign over them.”
10So Samuel spoke all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king.
11He said, “This will be the manner of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint them to his own chariots and horses, to run in front of his chariots.
12He will appoint some for himself as commanders of thousands and of fifties, and others to plow his ground, to reap his harvest, to make his weapons of war, and to equip his chariots.
13And he will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers.
14He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his servants. 15He will take a tenth of your grain and grape harvest and give it to his officials and servants.
16And he will take your menservants and maidservants and your best cattleb and donkeys and put them to his own use.
17He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.
18When that day comes, you will beg for relief from the king you have chosen, but the LORD will not answer you on that day.”
 
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As an Englishman I am not going to vote, just make a comment.

The colonies were not being terrorised or oppressed, they were being taxed to pay for a war fought for there defence.
Those who sort independence like all political extremists spun the facts to fit there version of events.

I suspect if it hadn't happened then it would have happened sooner rather than later, given how unresponsive the English government was then.
 

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As an Englishman I am not going to vote, just make a comment.

Windmillcharge, Thank you for your comment. You are right. King George needed to pay off the debt of the 7 years war with France and turned to the colonies VIA taxation. While I don't believe the colonies were terrorized by the crown it does go without saying that the colonies were oppressed if we look at it through the eyes of the Bill of Rights.

Now was this oppression justifiable enough to start a civil war? I believe Romans 13 say, it isn't.
 

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Now was this oppression justifiable enough to start a civil war? I believe Romans 13 say, it isn't.
What oppression?
Being charged a tax on goods as they are imported does not constitute oppression.
 

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The colonies were not being terrorised or oppressed, they were being taxed to pay for a war fought for there defence.
The issue was taxation without representation. Above and beyond that was the preservation and extension of the British Empire, with little or no regard for the wishes of those who actually lived in America (or any other colony). All British colonies were primarily for the enrichment of the Brits and their surrogates such as the East India Company and the Hudson's Bay Company.
 

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What oppression?
Being charged a tax on goods as they are imported does not constitute oppression.

While excessive taxes can be oppressive, I am referring to the lack of rights that were drafted in the Bill of Rights as oppressive.
 

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We know that God does not condone tyranny and oppression.

The question isn't referring to God condoning tyranny and oppression, it is related to the actions of our founders for starting a war to end the tyranny and oppression of the crown.
 

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The question isn't referring to God condoning tyranny and oppression, it is related to the actions of our founders for starting a war to end the tyranny and oppression of the crown.
The Crown left them no choice. It always boils down to stupidity at the top. The same thing with the Civil War or the War between the States. Plain stupidity. Just like what the Democrats are up to right now.

"The French and Indian War, or Seven Years’ War (1756-1763), brought new territories under the power of the crown, but the expensive conflict lead to new and unpopular taxes. Attempts by the British government to raise revenue by taxing the colonies (notably the Stamp Act of 1765, the Townshend Acts of 1767 and the Tea Act of 1773) met with heated protest among many colonists, who resented their lack of representation in Parliament and demanded the same rights as other British subjects."

https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/american-revolution-history
 

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The Crown left them no choice. It always boils down to stupidity at the top. The same thing with the Civil War or the War between the States. Plain stupidity. Just like what the Democrats are up to right now.

So what do you make of Romans 13: 1 - 7 ? What is different from the time Paul was saying it, to the time of the American revolt?

Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.


 

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The issue was taxation without representation. Above and beyond that was the preservation and extension of the British Empire, with little or no regard for the wishes of those who actually lived in America (or any other colony). All British colonies were primarily for the enrichment of the Brits and their surrogates such as the East India Company and the Hudson's Bay Company.

Yes that is how empires work. It is still a historical fact that there was no oppression by the British empire of the American colonies.