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The Numbers 12 and 13, Fertility, The Zodiac, Religion, Time and Music’s Common Thread
The Zodiac (Mazzoroth in the Hebrew Language Job 38:32) is the story of the Beginning of Creation of this Age right through to the End of Age (and Time as we know it). It is based on 25,920 years or Cycles and every House (or Room) of the Zodiac is 2,160 years long and there is 12 Cycles in the normal Cycles of Life and Light as well as 12 Cycles in the Darkness (Male And Female or Humanity). It is also translated into the 12 Months of the Year. Its is also the 12 Menstrual Cycles a Woman receives per year, the 12 Hours of Day and the 12 Hours of Night symbolized by a clock,the 12 notes in an octave of music, 12 members of a jury, the 12 tribes of Israel, the 12 Princes of Ishmael, and the 12 Disciples of Jesus as well as many ancient stories that bears this same truth. When we followed the Julian Calendar it had 13 months to a year, and was changed to the Gregorian calendar in 1582. Jesus represents the Sun, (Son) the Light of the World, as well as the 13th Constellation - Ophiuchus (the Serpent Holder) which comes into play at the beginning of our current Zodiac wheel and then again at the half way point (12,960 years) when the Earth and Sun pass through the Galactic Riff or The Divine Cross, the Black Hole in the center of our Galaxy that aligns with the Mundane Cross (Earths Cycle or Circle) at 2012.

Initially there was only 10 signs to the Zodiac and that Virgo and Scorpio or the Eagle were one sign. God divided these into 2 and place Libra (the Scales Of Judgement) in between them. Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heel. As well in the Zodiac the Serpent Holder (Ophiuchus the 13th Sign) is set over top and between Sagittarius and Scorpio, Jesus, The Anointed One, The Unlucky Number, The Caregiver, The Shepherd, The Watchman are a just a few of the infinite Titles given for the One that fulfills this.

The 12 Menstrual Cycles a Woman receives per year is based on 28 day per cycle. There are thirteen 28 day months to a lunar calendar. The 13th cycle in Humanities Female Fertility is the time between each eggs lifespan. Each egg that is not fertilized is a representation of Christianity. (and other older religions that bare this same truth) Jesus for the sins of the Human Race. (The Zodiac, Humanity the 12 Tribes) Each egg that is not fertilized has never sinned and dies shedding its blood for the sake of the cycle of life (eggs, humans to be born) Otherwise it would become an infection that would cause the death of the host (the mother) For it is also thru this that humanity has become conscience of the value of time.

Where are we in this cycle of time? The Kali Yuga. We are where the Serpent Holder releases his grip on the Serpent. It is given many names and descriptions from different cultures and religions and writings. Dark Times Ahead

Ever wonder why there are 12 members in a jury? Our court Judicial System originally was set up from the example of Biblical Israel.

The 12 persons if selected properly originally would represent each of the 12 zodiac signs (the 12 tribes of Israel). The reason behind this system is that when someone is giving testimony, at least one of the 12 would know if the person was telling the truth or lying by the fact that they were of the same tribe, vibration, frequency or zodiac. It only takes 1 person to create a hung jury which means they wouldn’t be able to convict the person on trial. This is one of the most important ways the trials of law can be just
 

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And just what is the relavence of the zodiac to Christianity?
Where does the Bible commend it?

While there may have been a link to it in pre Abraham if days, since his time it is not for the followers of God.
 
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And just what is the relavence of the zodiac to Christianity?
Where does the Bible commend it?

While there may have been a link to it in pre Abraham if days, since his time it is not for the followers of God.

I am no expert on this but I had a good friend who was quite knowledgeable. I fear that he has passed on now as I have not heard from him in a few months and the last time I heard from him he did have a terminal cancer. Let us remember him or his family in prayer also.

He wrote what amounted to a book on this subject. I have a copy and have posted his final words from it below [the whole thing is many times too long to post here with the 10,000 word limitation]:

Patrick CF&FF 6-18-2012 also known on this forum as: @dorian37grey



Our final thought...

Have you ever wondered where the twelve signs of the zodiac came
from? The word “Zodiac” comes from the Greek word Zoe,
which means “life,” and Dia, which means “through” or “pathway.”

"Zodiac" literally means: "the path to life".

It is the Gospel written in symbolic, pictorial language
manifesting the path to eternal life.

God taught ENOCH these constellation pictures and their meaning in
order to provide a visual revelation of the plan of God to
redeem mankind through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

The zodiac and the constellations can be thought of as the original
Bible before the Bible was placed into written form!!!

The zodiac clearly foretells the coming, the life, death,
ressurection, and return, of the King of Kings, Jesus the Christ,
our Messiah.

What else could the zodiac be?
Well, people have for thousands of years found a real and mysterious
power of foretelling futures and fortunes through Astrology and
horoscopes. No one questions how and why the Zodiac becomes a "way"
for some to find the power to read the future.

This is NOT the intention of the Zodiac. The power comes from
somewhere and it is not through Jesus Christ!


Do these people even question where their knowledge and power comes
from?

Satan is a liar and a deceiver...he could be a source.
Or could it come from one or two fallen angels?

Deuteronomy 4: 19

19 "And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when
you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of
heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them,
which the LORD your God has given to all the peoples under
the whole heaven as a heritage.

Deuteronomy 18: 9-14

9 "When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving
you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those
nations.
10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son
or daughter pass through fire, or one who practices withcraft,
or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer.
11 "or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or
one who calls up the dead.
12 "For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD,
and becasue of theses abominations the LORD your God drives
them out from before you.
13 "You shall be blameless before the LORD your God.
14 "for these nations which you will dispossess listened to
soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God
has not appointed such for you.

The fact for us is that while we are on this earth in our lifetime,
the story of our Savior is always above us written in the stars.
This "story" can never be erased or destroyed.

Genesis 1: 14

Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the
heavens to divide the say from the night; and let them be
for signs and seasons, and for days and years
 

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I am no expert on this but I had a good friend who was quite knowledgeable. I fear that he has passed on now as I have not heard from him in a few months and the last time I heard from him he did have a terminal cancer. Let us remember him or his family in prayer also.

He wrote what amounted to a book on this subject. I have a copy and have posted his final words from it below [the whole thing is many times too long to post here with the 10,000 word limitation]:

Patrick CF&FF 6-18-2012 also known on this forum as: @dorian37grey



Our final thought...

Have you ever wondered where the twelve signs of the zodiac came
from? The word “Zodiac” comes from the Greek word Zoe,
which means “life,” and Dia, which means “through” or “pathway.”

"Zodiac" literally means: "the path to life".

It is the Gospel written in symbolic, pictorial language
manifesting the path to eternal life.

God taught ENOCH these constellation pictures and their meaning in
order to provide a visual revelation of the plan of God to
redeem mankind through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

The zodiac and the constellations can be thought of as the original
Bible before the Bible was placed into written form!!!

The zodiac clearly foretells the coming, the life, death,
ressurection, and return, of the King of Kings, Jesus the Christ,
our Messiah.

What else could the zodiac be?
Well, people have for thousands of years found a real and mysterious
power of foretelling futures and fortunes through Astrology and
horoscopes. No one questions how and why the Zodiac becomes a "way"
for some to find the power to read the future.

This is NOT the intention of the Zodiac. The power comes from
somewhere and it is not through Jesus Christ!


Do these people even question where their knowledge and power comes
from?

Satan is a liar and a deceiver...he could be a source.
Or could it come from one or two fallen angels?

Deuteronomy 4: 19

19 "And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when
you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of
heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them,
which the LORD your God has given to all the peoples under
the whole heaven as a heritage.

Deuteronomy 18: 9-14

9 "When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving
you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those
nations.
10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son
or daughter pass through fire, or one who practices withcraft,
or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer.
11 "or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or
one who calls up the dead.
12 "For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD,
and becasue of theses abominations the LORD your God drives
them out from before you.
13 "You shall be blameless before the LORD your God.
14 "for these nations which you will dispossess listened to
soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God
has not appointed such for you.

The fact for us is that while we are on this earth in our lifetime,
the story of our Savior is always above us written in the stars.
This "story" can never be erased or destroyed.

Genesis 1: 14

Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the
heavens to divide the say from the night; and let them be
for signs and seasons, and for days and years
First off I don't force anything on anyone I merely wrote about the things that were common.
Secondly I am a christian and therefore I am not under the Mosaic Law.
I personally am justified by my Faith and acceptance of Christ and I am bound by what the Holy Spirit guides me to do.
If you have found the Christ in yourself then you will know which writings and words of others are for you or when your being deceived, if your light is strong.
 

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First off I don't force anything on anyone I merely wrote about the things that were common.
Secondly I am a christian and therefore I am not under the Mosaic Law.
I personally am justified by my Faith and acceptance of Christ and I am bound by what the Holy Spirit guides me to do.
If you have found the Christ in yourself then you will know which writings and words of others are for you or when your being deceived, if your light is strong.
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First off I don't force anything on anyone I merely wrote about the things that were common.
Secondly I am a christian and therefore I am not under the Mosaic Law.
I personally am justified by my Faith and acceptance of Christ and I am bound by what the Holy Spirit guides me to do.
If you have found the Christ in yourself then you will know which writings and words of others are for you or when your being deceived, if your light is strong.

Nether were those driven out under Mosaic law. Didn't God still hold these practices against them?

We should be careful on what we receive. God doesn't share a bunch of useless knowledge to get people all puffed up. Our first concern is what is beneficial to others. This is his primary objective on this earth.

For this reason I am suspicious of what I could call divine knowledge dumps, as they wouldn't suit his purposes. A word here and there witnessed by the scriptures and the Spirit in us is more fitting God's modus operandi.
 

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If the Lord should use different methods to bring in lost sheep in ways others wouldn't even try at, who should speak against this?

You will have to quote chapter and verse that shows using the horescope is a valid method of preaching Christ crucified.
 

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No I don't. You don't have to believe. But anyways:
It starts with the virgin and ends with leo. When Israel was in Egypt they were told to take a lamb and shed its blood and put its blood on the door posts. This was to represent Aries the Lamb of God for the Passovers necessity. In the desert they went back to worshiping the Golden Bull Taurus. instead of realizing the new age and Covenant. Christ came at the beginning of Pisces and He was the Fisher of Men. Where will the last supper be? Follow a Man carrying a jug of water into his House, Aquarius's sign, which by the way is a man pouring out a jug of water. This represents all knowledge that was gathered throughout the other ages combined as well as the life giving waters of the earth and the very air we breath. Time will be called short by Leo in the time of Sign of Aquarius so not all flesh would be corrupted. We don't know the hour......but we can know the age or season by its signs.
 
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I am no expert on this but I had a good friend who was quite knowledgeable. I fear that he has passed on now as I have not heard from him in a few months and the last time I heard from him he did have a terminal cancer. Let us remember him or his family in prayer also.

He wrote what amounted to a book on this subject. I have a copy and have posted his final words from it below [the whole thing is many times too long to post here with the 10,000 word limitation]:

Patrick CF&FF 6-18-2012 also known on this forum as: @dorian37grey

AMADEUS please forgive me for I am new to forums and sent the wrong message to you when I looked back. I meant it for someone else's comment. From your post I see you have different understanding then others who posted. God Bless You.

Our final thought...

Have you ever wondered where the twelve signs of the zodiac came
from? The word “Zodiac” comes from the Greek word Zoe,
which means “life,” and Dia, which means “through” or “pathway.”

"Zodiac" literally means: "the path to life".

It is the Gospel written in symbolic, pictorial language
manifesting the path to eternal life.

God taught ENOCH these constellation pictures and their meaning in
order to provide a visual revelation of the plan of God to
redeem mankind through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

The zodiac and the constellations can be thought of as the original
Bible before the Bible was placed into written form!!!

The zodiac clearly foretells the coming, the life, death,
ressurection, and return, of the King of Kings, Jesus the Christ,
our Messiah.

What else could the zodiac be?
Well, people have for thousands of years found a real and mysterious
power of foretelling futures and fortunes through Astrology and
horoscopes. No one questions how and why the Zodiac becomes a "way"
for some to find the power to read the future.

This is NOT the intention of the Zodiac. The power comes from
somewhere and it is not through Jesus Christ!


Do these people even question where their knowledge and power comes
from?

Satan is a liar and a deceiver...he could be a source.
Or could it come from one or two fallen angels?

Deuteronomy 4: 19

19 "And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when
you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of
heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them,
which the LORD your God has given to all the peoples under
the whole heaven as a heritage.

Deuteronomy 18: 9-14

9 "When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving
you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those
nations.
10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son
or daughter pass through fire, or one who practices withcraft,
or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer.
11 "or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or
one who calls up the dead.
12 "For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD,
and becasue of theses abominations the LORD your God drives
them out from before you.
13 "You shall be blameless before the LORD your God.
14 "for these nations which you will dispossess listened to
soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God
has not appointed such for you.

The fact for us is that while we are on this earth in our lifetime,
the story of our Savior is always above us written in the stars.
This "story" can never be erased or destroyed.

Genesis 1: 14

Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the
heavens to divide the say from the night; and let them be
for signs and seasons, and for days and years
 
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I thought in the past I had started a topic on the subject of the Zodiac. But I couldn't find it. Perhaps it was on a different forum. It is a very interesting subject and one that I think is legitimate and deserves attention.

We just must keep in mind that 'astrology' is not what is being discussed. That is condemned by God. We don't search the heavens to learn our personal future. But, prior to God providing the written Word, I believe He wrote the Gospel in the Heavens for all to observe. In other words, it was a form of revelation to mankind on earth.

This is why the book of Job references it so much. Job lived prior to any written revelation from God. No Israel, law, or covenants.

It helps clear up many things. For one, the heathen always like to say the Jews and Christians borrowed from older religions as you find some of the same themes in them. But, that is not so. All had that revelation in the heavens which was given by the one true God. And you find man when he moved away from God, and worshipped false gods, he incorporated some of those truths found in the heavens. In other words, the true God gave the first revelation, and false religions have distorted it. The Old Testament and New Testament are the continuation of that very heavenly revelation given by God. Neither the Jews of the Old Testament or Christians in the new borrowed from the heathen. The heathen borrowed from the true revelation.

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AMADEUS please forgive me for I am new to forums and sent the wrong message to you when I looked back. I meant it for someone else's comment. From your post I see you have different understanding then others who posted. God Bless You.

Our final thought...

Have you ever wondered where the twelve signs of the zodiac came
from? The word “Zodiac” comes from the Greek word Zoe,
which means “life,” and Dia, which means “through” or “pathway.”

"Zodiac" literally means: "the path to life".

It is the Gospel written in symbolic, pictorial language
manifesting the path to eternal life.

God taught ENOCH these constellation pictures and their meaning in
order to provide a visual revelation of the plan of God to
redeem mankind through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

The zodiac and the constellations can be thought of as the original
Bible before the Bible was placed into written form!!!

The zodiac clearly foretells the coming, the life, death,
ressurection, and return, of the King of Kings, Jesus the Christ,
our Messiah.

What else could the zodiac be?
Well, people have for thousands of years found a real and mysterious
power of foretelling futures and fortunes through Astrology and
horoscopes. No one questions how and why the Zodiac becomes a "way"
for some to find the power to read the future.

This is NOT the intention of the Zodiac. The power comes from
somewhere and it is not through Jesus Christ!


Do these people even question where their knowledge and power comes
from?

Satan is a liar and a deceiver...he could be a source.
Or could it come from one or two fallen angels?

Deuteronomy 4: 19

19 "And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when
you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of
heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them,
which the LORD your God has given to all the peoples under
the whole heaven as a heritage.

Deuteronomy 18: 9-14

9 "When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving
you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those
nations.
10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son
or daughter pass through fire, or one who practices withcraft,
or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer.
11 "or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or
one who calls up the dead.
12 "For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD,
and becasue of theses abominations the LORD your God drives
them out from before you.
13 "You shall be blameless before the LORD your God.
14 "for these nations which you will dispossess listened to
soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God
has not appointed such for you.

The fact for us is that while we are on this earth in our lifetime,
the story of our Savior is always above us written in the stars.
This "story" can never be erased or destroyed.

Genesis 1: 14

Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the
heavens to divide the say from the night; and let them be
for signs and seasons, and for days and years
I am responding because you addressed questions to me, but quite honestly even though I am a Bible student I don't know about all of these connections to the Zodiac. I know they exist, but I would have to look up any answers to the specific questions you raised. My focus presently is in another direction in which I believe God is leading me.

I am interested, but at the moment they are beyond me and I do not have time for the research now. Maybe later if I live so long, but that is up to God. Thank you kindly for asking me.


Perhaps I will see you elsewhere on the forum.
 

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I thought in the past I had started a topic on the subject of the Zodiac. But I couldn't find it. Perhaps it was on a different forum. It is a very interesting subject and one that I think is legitimate and deserves attention.

We just must keep in mind that 'astrology' is not what is being discussed. That is condemned by God. We don't search the heavens to learn our personal future. But, prior to God providing the written Word, I believe He wrote the Gospel in the Heavens for all to observe. In other words, it was a form of revelation to mankind on earth.

This is why the book of Job references it so much. Job lived prior to any written revelation from God. No Israel, law, or covenants.

It helps clear up many things. For one, the heathen always like to say the Jews and Christians borrowed from older religions as you find some of the same themes in them. But, that is not so. All had that revelation in the heavens which was given by the one true God. And you find man when he moved away from God, and worshipped false gods, he incorporated some of those truths found in the heavens. In other words, the true God gave the first revelation, and false religions have distorted it. The Old Testament and New Testament are the continuation of that very heavenly revelation given by God. Neither the Jews of the Old Testament or Christians in the new borrowed from the heathen. The heathen borrowed from the true revelation.

Stranger
Sometimes a believer does not possess the same liberties that a Disciple has been granted. The difference being what the the Lord's Prayer Lawfully allows a believer to ask of God, and the Authority that a True Disciple could ask of God and somewhat of the gift of speaking in tongues. If the Lord should allow a Disciple who has been given Authority to reach a lost Sheep a certain way, who am I or anyone else to speak against that. The Lord will use what ever method He chooses, even a good Samaritan to show when His People are not following properly. Love was missing in the way they viewed the fallen one the good Samaritan helped. When I go over the messages I got I see pride instead of Love as the core bases of most their posts. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi codices have astrology within them. The Vatican also has Different Zodiac displays within it's structure. Pictures were a much older language than our alphabet's that were derived from the Sumerian Cuneiform. Jesus's Disciples were allowed more liberties than what the Jewish Law allowed. Salvation through the Love Of God's sacrifice of His Son was was preached. The Law was given because of sin. The Gentiles are not under the Jewish Law but are under the time of Grace which could be debated as being over after Jerusalem's return to the State of Israel! It is impossible when People serve two master's. God's People will be divided until they come out from Babylon.
 

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Sometimes a believer does not possess the same liberties that a Disciple has been granted. The difference being what the the Lord's Prayer Lawfully allows a believer to ask of God, and the Authority that a True Disciple could ask of God and somewhat of the gift of speaking in tongues. If the Lord should allow a Disciple who has been given Authority to reach a lost Sheep a certain way, who am I or anyone else to speak against that. The Lord will use what ever method He chooses, even a good Samaritan to show when His People are not following properly. Love was missing in the way they viewed the fallen one the good Samaritan helped. When I go over the messages I got I see pride instead of Love as the core bases of most their posts. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi codices have astrology within them. The Vatican also has Different Zodiac displays within it's structure. Pictures were a much older language than our alphabet's that were derived from the Sumerian Cuneiform. Jesus's Disciples were allowed more liberties than what the Jewish Law allowed. Salvation through the Love Of God's sacrifice of His Son was was preached. The Law was given because of sin. The Gentiles are not under the Jewish Law but are under the time of Grace which could be debated as being over after Jerusalem's return to the State of Israel! It is impossible when People serve two master's. God's People will be divided until they come out from Babylon.

My point is that the study of the Zodiac in Scripture is not to be equated with 'astrology'. It is not to be equated with any daily horoscope. It is the study of a long ago revelation from God.

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No I don't. You don't have to believe. But anyways:
It starts with the virgin and ends with leo. When Israel was in Egypt they were told to take a lamb and shed its blood and put its blood on the door posts. This was to represent Aries the Lamb of God for the Passovers necessity. In the desert they went back to worshiping the Golden Bull Taurus. instead of realizing the new age and Covenant. Christ came at the beginning of Pisces and He was the Fisher of Men. Where will the last supper be? Follow a Man carrying a jug of water into his House, Aquarius's sign, which by the way is a man pouring out a jug of water. This represents all knowledge that was gathered throughout the other ages combined as well as the life giving waters of the earth and the very air we breath. Time will be called short by Leo in the time of Sign of Aquarius so not all flesh would be corrupted. We don't know the hour......but we can know the age or season by its signs.

If you are not going to prove the Biblical truth of the Zodiac I am willing to do so. But it is your thread so I didn't want to intrude on what you may want to do. Let me know. If I don't hear back from you by tomorrow this time, I will assume it doesn't matter to you and will go ahead with the study of the Zodiac.

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If you are not going to prove the Biblical truth of the Zodiac I am willing to do so. But it is your thread so I didn't want to intrude on what you may want to do. Let me know. If I don't hear back from you by tomorrow this time, I will assume it doesn't matter to you and will go ahead with the study of the Zodiac.

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Go ahead but please understand, I did give scripture (Job). It wasn't the purpose of my writing to prove the biblical correctness of the Zodiac just but to show common factors that allow a greater understanding that could be used to reach the lost Sheep by creating an interest where other's wouldn't Try.