Is God Punishing me For Past Sins ???

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Aug 31, 2017
56
26
18
50
Bath
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Hi,

For some time now (many years) I've been in a bad place concerning spiritual pain, emptiness, darkness and destitution. I believe it's because of past sins, and that God is punishing me for it.. however these sins were from many years ago, and since then I've made a full confession and repentance of those sins to God through faith in Christ. But regardless of that confession and repentance, i still feel that God's hand is against me, as much as a curse.. for no matter how much i pray, everything remains the same.

But i find this very confusing, because Christ died and was punished in my place for all my sins, so why when having faith in Christ in full confession and repentance would God be punishing me, when Jesus has already paid the price for all sins..

I really feel as though God is speaking to me in these verses of Job, which makes me feel as though my days are to be shortened, is this the forgiveness and love of God?

JOB 15, from verse 20 to 35.

20 The wicked man writhes in pain all his days, through all the years that are laid up for the ruthless. 21 Dreadful sounds are in his ears; in prosperity the destroyer will come upon him. 22 He does not believe that he will return out of darkness, and he is marked for the sword. 23 He wanders abroad for bread, saying, ‘Where is it?’ He knows that a day of darkness is ready at his hand; 24 distress and anguish terrify him; they prevail against him, like a king ready for battle. 25 Because he has stretched out his hand against God and defies the Almighty, 26 running stubbornly against him with a thickly bossed shield; 27 because he has covered his face with his fat and gathered fat upon his waist 28 and has lived in desolate cities, in houses that none should inhabit, which were ready to become heaps of ruins; 29 he will not be rich, and his wealth will not endure, nor will his possessions spread over the earth; 30 he will not depart from darkness; the flame will dry up his shoots, and by the breath of his mouth he will depart. 31 Let him not trust in emptiness, deceiving himself, for emptiness will be his payment. 32 It will be paid in full before his time, and his branch will not be green. 33 He will shake off his unripe grape like the vine, and cast off his blossom like the olive tree. 34 For the company of the godless is barren, and fire consumes the tents of bribery. 35 They conceive trouble and give birth to evil, and their womb prepares deceit

JOB 16, from verse 6 to 22.

6 “If I speak, my pain is not assuaged, and if I forbear, how much of it leaves me? 7 Surely now God has worn me out; he has [1] made desolate all my company. 8 And he has shriveled me up, which is a witness against me, and my leanness has risen up against me; it testifies to my face. 9 He has torn me in his wrath and hated me; he has gnashed his teeth at me; my adversary sharpens his eyes against me. 10 Men have gaped at me with their mouth; they have struck me insolently on the cheek; they mass themselves together against me. 11 God gives me up to the ungodly and casts me into the hands of the wicked. 12 I was at ease, and he broke me apart; he seized me by the neck and dashed me to pieces; he set me up as his target; 13 his archers surround me. He slashes open my kidneys and does not spare; he pours out my gall on the ground. 14 He breaks me with breach upon breach; he runs upon me like a warrior. 15 I have sewed sackcloth upon my skin and have laid my strength in the dust. 16 My face is red with weeping, and on my eyelids is deep darkness, 17 although there is no violence in my hands, and my prayer is pure. 18 “O earth, cover not my blood, and let my cry find no resting place. 19 Even now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and he who testifies for me is on high. 20 My friends scorn me; my eye pours out tears to God, 21 that he would argue the case of a man with God, as [2] a son of man does with his neighbor. 22 For when a few years have come I shall go the way from which I shall not return.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nancy

theophilus

Well-Known Member
Nov 13, 2012
433
365
63
83
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
It sounds as if you may be suffering the same thing Job did. If you have repented of your sins they have been forgiven because Christ has borne all the punishment for them. All suffering is the result of sin because it was Adam's sin that brought pain and suffering into the world but that doesn't mean that our suffering is related to specific sins we have committed. Job suffered so God could demonstrate to Satan that his motive for serving God was pure. God may be allowing you to suffer to test you in some way or to bring about some good in your life. Romans 8:28 says, "We know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose." The suffering you are experiencing will work for your good, although you might not see how while you are in this life.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nancy

Giuliano

Well-Known Member
Aug 4, 2019
5,978
3,676
113
Carlisle
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Hi,

For some time now (many years) I've been in a bad place concerning spiritual pain, emptiness, darkness and destitution. I believe it's because of past sins, and that God is punishing me for it.. however these sins were from many years ago, and since then I've made a full confession and repentance of those sins to God through faith in Christ. But regardless of that confession and repentance, i still feel that God's hand is against me, as much as a curse.. for no matter how much i pray, everything remains the same.

But i find this very confusing, because Christ died and was punished in my place for all my sins, so why when having faith in Christ in full confession and repentance would God be punishing me, when Jesus has already paid the price for all sins.
I think you're learning that something you were taught isn't right. When we repent of sins, God wants us to try to fix things if we can. God wants all His children to live in peace and harmony. If I steal your car, God isn't going to forgive me if I want to keep it. Jesus isn't going to give you a car. Jesus is willing to help us in those things we can't help ourselves. He also removes the curse of death over us for those sins; but God still wants us to show we're really sorry by doing our best to repair whatever damage we have done to others. We should not say Jesus pays for everything, not when we can help pay ourselves.

Matthew 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
 

mjrhealth

Well-Known Member
Mar 15, 2009
11,810
4,090
113
Australia
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
God is punishing me for it.
God punish?? , maybe the devil not Him, God doesnt beat up His children, the devil can do that well enough on His own. Evil falls on the good and the bad, tee world is not fair and wont change. All get old all get sick all die, but in God we have the faith that He will help us if we ask, and if that is simply the strength to see this all through than that is the way it will be. I have a friend who has had neck and back issues most of her life, she has being trying to convince the doctors for years, when they finally realized she wasnt lying last year, they asked how could she have put up with the pain for the last few years, and she told them that she has put up with it for 60 years, they where dumfounded.

God bless
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pisteuo and Nancy

101G

Well-Known Member
Jul 20, 2012
12,259
3,385
113
Mobile, Al.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Addressing the OP. NO, if you're in christ Jesus. here's the scripture to prove it.
Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God".

the Lord Jesus has already paid for those sins ... "that are Past". now you should be in Christ. confessed with your mouth that JESUS is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, THEN YOUR PAST SINS ARE REMISSED, or removed.

since your past sins are out of the way, let's look at them NOW. if you want to get those off your back,
1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us".

NOW IF ALL THAT IS DONE, then this,
Hebrews 12:4 "Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Hebrews 12:5 "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Hebrews 12:6 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hebrews 12:7 "If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Hebrews 12:8 "But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Hebrews 12:9 "Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Hebrews 12:10 "For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. (READ THAT AGAIN).

Hebrews 12:11 "Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. (READ THAT ONE AGAIN ALSO)

Hebrews 12:12 "Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

Hebrews 12:13 "And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

Hebrews 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:


I hope this will help.

but no, God is not Punishing you For any Past Sins.

PICJAG.
 
Aug 31, 2017
56
26
18
50
Bath
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Thank you 101G, i found some consolation in that.. although I've read Hebrews before, it again reminded me of Gods dicipline for those he love's.

Also thank you to everyone else.

In conclusion, how would you interprete the verses of Job 15, 21 to 25,

21 Dreadful sounds are in his ears; in prosperity the destroyer will come upon him. 22 He does not believe that he will return out of darkness, and he is marked for the sword. 23 He wanders abroad for bread, saying, ‘Where is it?’ He knows that a day of darkness is ready at his hand; 24 distress and anguish terrify him; they prevail against him, like a king ready for battle.

Whom is God speaking or referring to in these verses? For they seem to be accursed. Surely this can't be for the man that has confessed, repented and been redeemed by God.
 
Last edited:

mjrhealth

Well-Known Member
Mar 15, 2009
11,810
4,090
113
Australia
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Thank you 101G, i found some consolation in that.. although I've read Hebrews before, it again reminded me of Gods dicipline for those he love's.

Also thank you to everyone else.

In conclusion, how would you interprete the verses of Job 15, 21 to 25,

21 Dreadful sounds are in his ears; in prosperity the destroyer will come upon him. 22 He does not believe that he will return out of darkness, and he is marked for the sword. 23 He wanders abroad for bread, saying, ‘Where is it?’ He knows that a day of darkness is ready at his hand; 24 distress and anguish terrify him; they prevail against him, like a king ready for battle.

Whom is God speaking or referring to in these verses? For they seem to be accursed. Surely this can't be for the man that has confessed, repented and been redeemed by God.
If you insist on reading the bible without asking Jesus who is the truth, the truth, you are going to cause yourself a lot of anguish and pain.
 

Stranger

Well-Known Member
Oct 5, 2016
8,826
3,157
113
Texas
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Thank you 101G, i found some consolation in that.. although I've read Hebrews before, it again reminded me of Gods dicipline for those he love's.

Also thank you to everyone else.

In conclusion, how would you interprete the verses of Job 15, 21 to 25,

21 Dreadful sounds are in his ears; in prosperity the destroyer will come upon him. 22 He does not believe that he will return out of darkness, and he is marked for the sword. 23 He wanders abroad for bread, saying, ‘Where is it?’ He knows that a day of darkness is ready at his hand; 24 distress and anguish terrify him; they prevail against him, like a king ready for battle.

Whom is God speaking or referring to in these verses? For they seem to be accursed. Surely this can't be for the man that has confessed, repented and been redeemed by God.

You must recognize in the book of (Job) who is doing the talking. In (Job 15) it is Eliphaz who is speaking to Job giving him his advice. But what did God say concerning the advice of Job's friends?

(Job 42:7) "And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Joab hath."

Stranger
 

Windmillcharge

Well-Known Member
Dec 21, 2017
2,934
1,823
113
68
London
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
believe it's because of past sins, and that God is punishing me for it.. /QUOTE]

There is No condemnation to All who are in Christ Jesus. And Nothing in ALL creation can separate us from the Love of Jesus.

What ever is happening to you it is not God punishing you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: charity

Taken

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Feb 6, 2018
24,549
12,965
113
United States
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Hi,

For some time now (many years) I've been in a bad place concerning spiritual pain, emptiness, darkness and destitution. I believe it's because of past sins, and that God is punishing me for it.. however these sins were from many years ago, and since then I've made a full confession and repentance of those sins to God through faith in Christ. But regardless of that confession and repentance, i still feel that God's hand is against me, as much as a curse.. for no matter how much i pray, everything remains the same.

But i find this very confusing, because Christ died and was punished in my place for all my sins, so why when having faith in Christ in full confession and repentance would God be punishing me, when Jesus has already paid the price for all sins..

I would presume your feeling is not exclusive to you alone.

I have a perspective in this respect;

God alone forgives Sin.
Sin alone IS "against" God.
Sin "against' God, IS Disbelief IN the fullness of God.

OT ~ was a Covenant "under" the Law.
OT ~ "under" the Law, SIN was any violation of the Law.
OT ~ Law included;
...Obedience to God
...DOING as God instructed
...Agreement by the people to Obey, "according TO the LAW'.
...The LAW; promulgated BEHAVIORS, of men;....
.......of relationships between A man & God
.......of relationships between A man & A man

IMO, "the LAW" was given TO: Tribes of Israel
IMO, "the LAW" was agreed TO: by the Tribes.
IMO, "the LAW" was Fulfilled BY Jesus Christ.
IMO, A Law Fulfilled, no Longer has Negative Consequences, for Disobedience.
Meaning; a fulfilled Law, is then MOOT, and the consequence also MOOT.

Negative Consequences IN the OT, was also within the Law, called "Curses".
In our system of 'laws', we have written negatives Consequences called "Penal Law", or otherwise the PENALTY, for violation of the Law.

IMO, Tribes of Israel WERE persons of the TRIBE by "birthright". A People, born a Hebrew, a Jew, a race of people exclusively born to parents of any of the Tribes of Israel.

^ THAT, did not apply to me. I am a Gentile.

In the last days, God sent His Son, in the likeness as a Man, to be an Example for ALL of mankind, to Hear and See Gods Word, and His testimony For HOW Mankind can/could Become reconcilled IN Gods "Likeness", and thus Acceptable to Forever Be "with" God.

My perspective IS:
MY SIN, "was" Against God, for having been born NOT Believing IN Him.
MY SIN, "continued" "Until", I heard, listened, followed, trusted to believe, and Submitted MY oath of Belief, IN God, TO God.

My perspective IS:
Once "I" individually chose to submit and DID so make MY oath to God; He "FORGAVE" my SIN of having had disbelief. And By His Promise, and HIS POWER, within me; For always and Forever, I will KEEP my Belief and Faith IN HIM alone, as MY God.

Now that says nothing about Committing an "OATH" to other men.
Point being, that is strictly forming a FOREVER lasting bond between God and myself.

Turning to relationships between myself AND other men (people at large)...
We have to understand...Men do NOT know all things, and so men MAY at times SAY they WILL do this or that, and unknown circumstances arise that makes ones Given Word, turn out to be not true.

And there ARE situations BETWEEN men, making agreements, with one party seeming going along, with NO INTENT of Keeping the "agreement".

And ther ARE situations BETWEEN men, in agreements, WHO FALL away from honoring their agreements....based on ALL kinds of things (excuses)...
Mad, hurt, angry, sad, revenge, opportunity, hopeful cover of secrecy,

IMO, these things are NOT SINS.
(Again, one UNDER the Law, It was a sin...
But for one NOT UNDER the Law...IMO, it is a TRESPASS, of one man "against" another man.)

IOW - I would presume most people are well aware of "man made Trespass laws"... Mostly having to do with, Land and Property.

However Scripture teaches Trespass also is a type of BREACH, of Behaviors between men.

If you have an expectation, via an agreement, that your Spouse, your Bank, your Employer, your Government, your Friend, etc. WILL Honor what they have Agreed to...
And then Don't...IMO, that is a TRESPASS.
(Whether THEY instigate against you, or YOU instigate against them).

Scripture teaches, men trespass against men, and HOW to resolve the trespass.

In our society, people are taught, what is "polite", meaning when one person wrongs another (a trespass), to then Apologize.

If you pay attention to an Apology, it is the person saying..."I'm sorry"..."I" feel bad...

A Scriptural "Trespass" teaches to CORRECT the WRONG and "ASK FOR THEIR FORGIVENESS".

Scripture does not teach to go ASK God to Forgive you for Trespassing against an other person....Go ASK the person.

But in this society, IMO, that is more RARE that Usual.

And then what...? What IF you have wronged /Trespassed against another person, and simply Apologized? YOU may feel momentarily better, but then what?
Do you feel "forgiven" by the other person?

Point being; Why would you feel "forgiven"...
If you never asked for their forgiveness?

And...IMO, that may be the root of your continual feeling of Guilt.

Point being IMO is; your guilt stems from issues of past Trespasses...(not "past" SINS)
Between you and another person that you may have never felt forgiven for.

Maybe something to consider?
BTW, I base my Opinions on Scriptural lessons.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

Pearl

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Apr 9, 2019
11,489
17,440
113
Lancashire
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
I don't believe that God punishes us for past sins. Once we have truly repented and asked forgiveness then they are forgiven. So why would God punish us for something he has already forgiven.

It is such a crying shame that some church traditions teach punishment. It's horrible how they heap guilt on their people. They are preaching a different gospel to that which Jesus taught. If he has set us free then we are free and will not be punished for our past lives. But we may still have to face the consequences - but that's a different matter entirely.
 
  • Like
Reactions: charity

charity

Well-Known Member
Nov 26, 2017
3,234
3,192
113
75
UK
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Hi,
For some time now (many years) I've been in a bad place concerning spiritual pain, emptiness, darkness and destitution. I believe it's because of past sins, and that God is punishing me for it.. however these sins were from many years ago, and since then I've made a full confession and repentance of those sins to God through faith in Christ. But regardless of that confession and repentance, i still feel that God's hand is against me, as much as a curse.. for no matter how much i pray, everything remains the same.

But i find this very confusing, because Christ died and was punished in my place for all my sins, so why when having faith in Christ in full confession and repentance would God be punishing me, when Jesus has already paid the price for all sins..

I really feel as though God is speaking to me in these verses of Job, which makes me feel as though my days are to be shortened, is this the forgiveness and love of God?​
Hello @Pianoworldstage,

* By even suggesting that God is punishing you for your past sins, you are inadvertently denying the truth that God has forgiven you your sins, and cleansed you from all unrighteousness.

* In regard to what you have described concerning your state of mind spiritually, my mind goes to the words of Paul in Colossians 2:1-3:-

'For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you,
.. and for them at Laodicea,
.... and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
That their hearts might be comforted,
.. being knit together in love,
.... and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding,
...... to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
........ In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.'

* Paul's desire was that they should be comforted, knit together in love, by coming into the full assurance of understanding. To know, and fully appreciate the absolute fullness of what God has achieved in Christ Jesus, for them. This is so very important for each one of us, who have been saved by God's grace.

* Peace and joy in the Lord comes by NOT looking inward at your 'state', but by believing God concerning what He had achieved in and through Christ Jesus His beloved Son for you, and rejoicing and giving thanks in all things.
Trusting in the Lord with all your heart and leaning not unto your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledging Him, and He will direct your paths. This is the way of peace and joy in the Lord: for you are complete in Him.

.. In conclusion, how would you interprete the verses of Job 15, 21 to 25,

21 Dreadful sounds are in his ears; in prosperity the destroyer will come upon him. 22 He does not believe that he will return out of darkness, and he is marked for the sword. 23 He wanders abroad for bread, saying, ‘Where is it?’ He knows that a day of darkness is ready at his hand; 24 distress and anguish terrify him; they prevail against him, like a king ready for battle.Whom is God speaking or referring to in these verses? For they seem to be accursed. Surely this can't be for the man that has confessed, repented and been redeemed by God.​
* As someone has already pointed out to you, these are the words of Eliphaz, one of Job's friends, who spoke from the perspective of human experience and tradition (Job 15:17-18). These friends were rebuked by God for speaking what was not right concerning Him (Job 42:7-9).

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Pisteuo

Pearl

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Apr 9, 2019
11,489
17,440
113
Lancashire
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
I know somebody who was brought up being part of one of the traditional churches. The things she was taught during her formative years have impacted greatly on her as an adult of almost 50.

She carries a heavy burden of guilt and fear of punishment for her past life which as I said have a huge impact on her life today. She fears punishment because of her divorce, for having a child outside of marriage, and also for 'living in sin' with a partner as well as for leaving the church.

It is crippling her and it's so sad to see her like this because of being taught the wrong things about God's love. This is what religion can do to people.
 
  • Like
Reactions: charity

charity

Well-Known Member
Nov 26, 2017
3,234
3,192
113
75
UK
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
I know somebody who was brought up being part of one of the traditional churches. The things she was taught during her formative years have impacted greatly on her as an adult of almost 50.

She carries a heavy burden of guilt and fear of punishment for her past life which as I said have a huge impact on her life today. She fears punishment because of her divorce, for having a child outside of marriage, and also for 'living in sin' with a partner as well as for leaving the church.

It is crippling her and it's so sad to see her like this because of being taught the wrong things about God's love. This is what religion can do to people.
How sad, @Pearl,

I know what it is like to live with guilt, for it took me a long time to come to the place where I could take in the completeness of the work of Christ. I share your strength of feeling about the horrible effect that religion can have upon the mind and heart of an individual. Only by taking our eyes off ourselves and our state, onto the fullness of the work of Christ, portrayed in such passages as Ephesians chapter one, and acknowledging it by faith can we being to enter into the peace and joy of our salvation.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pearl

charity

Well-Known Member
Nov 26, 2017
3,234
3,192
113
75
UK
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Clean before my lord I stand
And in me, not one blemish does he see
When I placed all my burdens on him
He washed them all from me

Why did I wait so long
To learn such a living song
And how could I stay so close
Without seeing him, never seeing him

Clean before my lord I stand
And in me, not one blemish does he see
When I placed all my burdens on him
He washed them all from me

Oh, why do you wait so long
To learn such a living song
And how can you stay so close
Without seeing him, never seeing him

Clean before my lord I stand
And in me, not one blemish does he see
When I placed all my burdens on him
He washed them all from me

 
  • Like
Reactions: Nancy and Pearl

FHII

Well-Known Member
Apr 9, 2011
4,833
2,494
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The Lord forgives sins when you come to him. However, he didn't promise he'd take away the consequences of them. He forgives a thief, but that doesn't mean you won't go to jail. He forgives drug abuse, but he doesn't take away the health problems that come with it.

Sometimes it's a matter of forgiving yourself. He sees them as past, but sometimes we as humans carry the shame with us.

I don't know what you situation is as you didn't mention what your sins were. Don't need to know either. But perhaps one of these explanations may apply to you. Perhaps not, but i thought perhaps this may help. In any case, if I were you I would identify what the problem is, and figure out how it can be changed.
 

DoveSpirit05

Active Member
Jul 19, 2019
660
220
43
42
London
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Hi,

For some time now (many years) I've been in a bad place concerning spiritual pain, emptiness, darkness and destitution. I believe it's because of past sins, and that God is punishing me for it.. however these sins were from many years ago, and since then I've made a full confession and repentance of those sins to God through faith in Christ. But regardless of that confession and repentance, i still feel that God's hand is against me, as much as a curse.. for no matter how much i pray, everything remains the same.

But i find this very confusing, because Christ died and was punished in my place for all my sins, so why when having faith in Christ in full confession and repentance would God be punishing me, when Jesus has already paid the price for all sins..

I really feel as though God is speaking to me in these verses of Job, which makes me feel as though my days are to be shortened, is this the forgiveness and love of God?

JOB 15, from verse 20 to 35.

20 The wicked man writhes in pain all his days, through all the years that are laid up for the ruthless. 21 Dreadful sounds are in his ears; in prosperity the destroyer will come upon him. 22 He does not believe that he will return out of darkness, and he is marked for the sword. 23 He wanders abroad for bread, saying, ‘Where is it?’ He knows that a day of darkness is ready at his hand; 24 distress and anguish terrify him; they prevail against him, like a king ready for battle. 25 Because he has stretched out his hand against God and defies the Almighty, 26 running stubbornly against him with a thickly bossed shield; 27 because he has covered his face with his fat and gathered fat upon his waist 28 and has lived in desolate cities, in houses that none should inhabit, which were ready to become heaps of ruins; 29 he will not be rich, and his wealth will not endure, nor will his possessions spread over the earth; 30 he will not depart from darkness; the flame will dry up his shoots, and by the breath of his mouth he will depart. 31 Let him not trust in emptiness, deceiving himself, for emptiness will be his payment. 32 It will be paid in full before his time, and his branch will not be green. 33 He will shake off his unripe grape like the vine, and cast off his blossom like the olive tree. 34 For the company of the godless is barren, and fire consumes the tents of bribery. 35 They conceive trouble and give birth to evil, and their womb prepares deceit

JOB 16, from verse 6 to 22.

6 “If I speak, my pain is not assuaged, and if I forbear, how much of it leaves me? 7 Surely now God has worn me out; he has [1] made desolate all my company. 8 And he has shriveled me up, which is a witness against me, and my leanness has risen up against me; it testifies to my face. 9 He has torn me in his wrath and hated me; he has gnashed his teeth at me; my adversary sharpens his eyes against me. 10 Men have gaped at me with their mouth; they have struck me insolently on the cheek; they mass themselves together against me. 11 God gives me up to the ungodly and casts me into the hands of the wicked. 12 I was at ease, and he broke me apart; he seized me by the neck and dashed me to pieces; he set me up as his target; 13 his archers surround me. He slashes open my kidneys and does not spare; he pours out my gall on the ground. 14 He breaks me with breach upon breach; he runs upon me like a warrior. 15 I have sewed sackcloth upon my skin and have laid my strength in the dust. 16 My face is red with weeping, and on my eyelids is deep darkness, 17 although there is no violence in my hands, and my prayer is pure. 18 “O earth, cover not my blood, and let my cry find no resting place. 19 Even now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and he who testifies for me is on high. 20 My friends scorn me; my eye pours out tears to God, 21 that he would argue the case of a man with God, as [2] a son of man does with his neighbor. 22 For when a few years have come I shall go the way from which I shall not return.

God said as many as I love I rebuke and chasen rev 3:19.

Hebrews 12:6-8

6 for whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth.”

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then ye are bastards and not sons.

job 5:17 happy is the man God corrects!!

Proverbs 3:11-12 11My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD, and do not loathe His rebuke; 12for the LORD disciplines those He loves, as a father the son in whom he delights.

Psalm 94:12 Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O Lord, and teachest him out of thy law;

ezek 14:12-24 its all done for a purpose.

its probably something that ur doing now that he doesn't like and hes just trying 2 steer u away from it with chastisement, don't worry I get chastised too!! its out of love!! its tho's dat he doesn't chastise if they do something wrong dat he doesn't love!!

pray to him for more discernment of his ways!! I might try and get a video on it?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nancy

DoveSpirit05

Active Member
Jul 19, 2019
660
220
43
42
London
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Clean before my lord I stand
And in me, not one blemish does he see
When I placed all my burdens on him
He washed them all from me

Why did I wait so long
To learn such a living song
And how could I stay so close
Without seeing him, never seeing him

Clean before my lord I stand
And in me, not one blemish does he see
When I placed all my burdens on him
He washed them all from me

Oh, why do you wait so long
To learn such a living song
And how can you stay so close
Without seeing him, never seeing him

Clean before my lord I stand
And in me, not one blemish does he see
When I placed all my burdens on him
He washed them all from me


are you without blemish before God then?
 

charity

Well-Known Member
Nov 26, 2017
3,234
3,192
113
75
UK
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
are you without blemish before God then?
Hello @DoveSpirit05,

* Am I without blemish before God? Let's let the word of God give the answer to that:-

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
.. Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
.... (According as he hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
...... that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
.. according to the good pleasure of His will,
.... To the praise of the glory of His grace,
...... wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
.. the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;
.... Wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
...... Having made known unto us the mystery of His will,
........ according to his good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times
.. He might gather together in one all things in Christ,
.... both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:
...... In Whom also we have obtained an inheritance,
........ being predestinated according to the purpose of Him
.......... Who worketh all things after the counsel of His Own will:
That we should be to the praise of His glory,
.. who first trusted in Christ.'

(Ephesians 1:2-12)

Praise God!

* God has said it! Why should I doubt it?

In Christ Jesus
Chris


 
  • Like
Reactions: Nancy