The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

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Another asinine comparison.

Trinitarians DO "go therefore" and Baptize in the name of the Father AND OF the Son AND OF the Holy Spirit.
Heretics don't . . .
No, trins say exactly the words of Jesus, instead of doing what he said.

Jesus said....

Matthew 28:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Then Peter said okay, here you go....

Acts 2:38 King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Then the trin says....

Matthew 28:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:....BaaaaaK perty bird!
 
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Nope.
Peter understood that Baptizing "in the name of Jesus" was Baptizing by His AUTHORITY.

We're back at the example of the knight who declares things "in the name of the king". It doesn't mean that he and the King have the same name. He is declaring by the King's AUTHORITY.

Jesus said to Baptize in name of the Father AND OF the Son AND OF the Holy Spirit.
That is His AUTHORITY.
You just debunked Acts 4:12....eliminating the name of salvation.

I am a father and a son.

You baptize your disciples in my name.

I am flattered.
 

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Another asinine comparison.

Trinitarians DO "go therefore" and Baptize in the name of the Father AND OF the Son AND OF the Holy Spirit.
Heretics don't . . .
Name(singular) of the...and of the...and of the....

Which name is that?

What is the name of the Son?

Why don't trins at least say the name of the Son when baptizing?
 

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Nope - God is ONE - He is manifested in Three PERSONS.
ONE God - THREE Persons.
Time for another Bible lesson . . .

The Father is God
Ephesians 4:6

One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Psalm 68:5
Father of the fatherless and protector of widows is God in his holy habitation.

Malachi 2:10
Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why then are we faithless to one another, profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Isaiah 63:16
For you are our Father, though Abraham does not know us, and Israel does not acknowledge us; you, O Lord, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name.

2 Corinthians 1:3-4
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 8:41
You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.”

1 Thessalonians 3:13
So that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus.

The Son is God
Isaiah 7:14

All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means 'God is with us').

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Matt. 4:7
Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God.

John 1:3
ALL things were made by HIM (Jesus); and without him was not ANY thing made that was made.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30
“I and the Father are one."

John 15:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him [Jesus], “My Lord and my God!”

Acts 5:3-4
Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to GOD.

2 Corinthians 4:4
...lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Philippians 2:6
...Who [Jesus], being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Colossians 2:9
...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

The Holy Spirit is God
John 14:16-18

And I will pray the Father, and He will give you *ANOTHER Helper, that He may abide with you forever -- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
*This word in Greek means, “another of the SAME kind.”

Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord IS the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU?

John 14:23
Jesus replied: "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him and WE will come to him and make OUR home with him.

Acts 5:3-4
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? "While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to GOD."
3 Holy Spirits in the Godhead?

Cool.
 

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Complete and total ignorant nonsense.

For starters - some of your moronic claims state that Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit came "later" in history - as late as the Third century. Here is an excerpt from The Didache (Teachings of the Twelve Apostles) - which was written BEFORE most of the Gospels - while MOST of the Apostles were still alive:

Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism

And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. (The Didache - 50 AD)

Your nonsense is neither Biblical NOR historical.

As for your pathetic claims that the Trinity was not recognized until the THIRD century - read the following evidence from the Early Church Fathers. Pay attention to the dates:

Athenagoras

For, as we acknowledge a God, and a Son his Logos, and a Holy Spirit, united in essence, - the Father, the Son, the Spirit because the Son is intelligence, reason, wisdom of the Father, and the Spirit an effluence, as light from fire; so also do we apprehend the existence of other powers, which exercise dominion about matter, and by means of it (A Plea for the Christians, 2:18 [A.D. 177]).

Irenaeus
For the Son, who is the Word of God, arranged these things beforehand from the beginning, the Father being in no want of angels, in order that He might call the creation into being, and form man, for whom also the creation was made; nor, again, standing in need of any instrumentality for the framing of created things, or for the ordering of those things which had reference to man; while, [at the same time,] He has a vast and unspeakable number of servants. For His offspring and His similitude do minister to Him in every respect; that is, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the WORD and WISDOM ; whom all the angels serve, and to whom they are subject (Against Heresies 4:7:4 [A.D. 180-190]).

Theophilus of Antioch
The three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the TRINITY, of God, and His WORD, and His WISDOM(To Autolycus 2:18 [A.D. 181]).


The word "persons" is NOT used a single time in the entire Bible to describe God or the Godhead. However, the word "Person" is used once in Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his "PERSON," and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:"

The Greek word used here, that was translated "person," is hupostasis (Strong's # 5287) which means -

1) a setting or placing under

1a) thing put under, substructure, foundation

2) that which has foundation, is firm

2a) that which has actual existence

2a1) a substance, real being

2b) the substantial quality, nature, of a person or thing

2c) the steadfastness of mind, firmness, courage, resolution

2c1) confidence, firm trust, assurance

Jesus said in John 4:24, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

According to Deuteronomy 6:4 and Ephesians 4:5 There is only ONE Lord. When Paul was struck down on the road to Damascus, he cried, "Who art thou, Lord?" And the Lord said, "I AM JESUS." Acts 9:5. Beyond a shadow of a doubt the Lord God Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Lord Jesus Christ of the New Testament!

Jesus confirmed that He was NOT a separate Person, but God manifested in the flesh when He said to Philip, " ... He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.. .The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself; but the father that DWELLETH IN ME, He doeth the works ... Believe me that I am in the Father, and the FATHER IN ME ..." John 14:9-11. Jesus also simply stated, "I and My Father are ONE (not two)." John 10:30 ... prompting the Jews to immediately to take up stones to stone Him because, as they put it, "...thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

When Jesus emphasized the importance of people knowing His identity as He taught in the temple by saying, "...For if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins ...They understood not that He spake to them of the FATHER." John 8:24-27.

When Jesus was baptized by John in Jordan River, the voice of God spoke, "This is my beloved Son, IN WHOM I am well pleased." Matthew 3:17. Notice, God said, "IN WHOM" - not with whom! "To wit, that GOD WAS IN CHRIST, reconciling the world unto Himself..." 2 Corinthians 5:19. "... the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:10. The difference in the tabernacle of badgers skins and the tabernacle of flesh was the tabernacle of badgers skins was inanimate, and the tabernacle of flesh was a living, breathing, supernaturally conceived and born human which had 2 natures ... one Divine and one human.

When the Holy Ghost came on the day of Pentecost, 120 disciples were filled (including Mary, the mother of Jesus) and began to speak with tongues as the SPIRIT gave them utterance. Acts 2:4. Peter preached that the Holy Ghost was the Spirit of God. As he used the prophecy of Joel 2:28, he said, "It shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of MY SPIRIT (singular ... not my Spirits -plural) UPON ALL FLESH..." Acts 2:17.

No record will you find that the New Testament Church ever believed or taught the doctrine of the trinity. For the Scriptures prove that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three manifestations (not "persons") of the ONE GOD; and God is ONE IN PERSON. In Creation God was manifested as the Father (Invisible Spirit - John 1:18 & John 4:24); in redemption God manifested Himself as the Son (Spirit in body - Colossians 1: 13-15 & Colossians 2:9); and following His ascension in bodily form, God has manifested Himself as the Holy Spirit, living in the hearts of believers as the "earnest" (part) of our inheritance ... and will remain as such throughout the entire New Testament Church Dispensation until that which is perfect is come. (Spirit in believers - Acts 2:4, 17, Romans 8:9, Ephesians 4:6).


God Bless!
 

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The word "persons" is NOT used a single time in the entire Bible to describe God or the Godhead. However, the word "Person" is used once in Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his "PERSON," and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:"

The Greek word used here, that was translated "person," is hupostasis (Strong's # 5287) which means -

1) a setting or placing under

1a) thing put under, substructure, foundation

2) that which has foundation, is firm

2a) that which has actual existence

2a1) a substance, real being

2b) the substantial quality, nature, of a person or thing

2c) the steadfastness of mind, firmness, courage, resolution

2c1) confidence, firm trust, assurance

Jesus said in John 4:24, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

According to Deuteronomy 6:4 and Ephesians 4:5 There is only ONE Lord. When Paul was struck down on the road to Damascus, he cried, "Who art thou, Lord?" And the Lord said, "I AM JESUS." Acts 9:5. Beyond a shadow of a doubt the Lord God Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Lord Jesus Christ of the New Testament!

Jesus confirmed that He was NOT a separate Person, but God manifested in the flesh when He said to Philip, " ... He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.. .The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself; but the father that DWELLETH IN ME, He doeth the works ... Believe me that I am in the Father, and the FATHER IN ME ..." John 14:9-11. Jesus also simply stated, "I and My Father are ONE (not two)." John 10:30 ... prompting the Jews to immediately to take up stones to stone Him because, as they put it, "...thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

When Jesus emphasized the importance of people knowing His identity as He taught in the temple by saying, "...For if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins ...They understood not that He spake to them of the FATHER." John 8:24-27.

When Jesus was baptized by John in Jordan River, the voice of God spoke, "This is my beloved Son, IN WHOM I am well pleased." Matthew 3:17. Notice, God said, "IN WHOM" - not with whom! "To wit, that GOD WAS IN CHRIST, reconciling the world unto Himself..." 2 Corinthians 5:19. "... the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:10. The difference in the tabernacle of badgers skins and the tabernacle of flesh was the tabernacle of badgers skins was inanimate, and the tabernacle of flesh was a living, breathing, supernaturally conceived and born human which had 2 natures ... one Divine and one human.

When the Holy Ghost came on the day of Pentecost, 120 disciples were filled (including Mary, the mother of Jesus) and began to speak with tongues as the SPIRIT gave them utterance. Acts 2:4. Peter preached that the Holy Ghost was the Spirit of God. As he used the prophecy of Joel 2:28, he said, "It shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of MY SPIRIT (singular ... not my Spirits -plural) UPON ALL FLESH..." Acts 2:17.

No record will you find that the New Testament Church ever believed or taught the doctrine of the trinity. For the Scriptures prove that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three manifestations (not "persons") of the ONE GOD; and God is ONE IN PERSON. In Creation God was manifested as the Father (Invisible Spirit - John 1:18 & John 4:24); in redemption God manifested Himself as the Son (Spirit in body - Colossians 1: 13-15 & Colossians 2:9); and following His ascension in bodily form, God has manifested Himself as the Holy Spirit, living in the hearts of believers as the "earnest" (part) of our inheritance ... and will remain as such throughout the entire New Testament Church Dispensation until that which is perfect is come. (Spirit in believers - Acts 2:4, 17, Romans 8:9, Ephesians 4:6).


God Bless!
Yes, God is a single “person”.

Jesus’ description of God as “a Spirit,...him,....him” , per John 4:24.

“Him” is singular according to Jesus Christ.

Folks debunk Jesus as describing God as “them, them”.

Not cool.
 
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Most churches today teach false doctrines for several reasons:
ignorance, unbelief, for popularity, for financial benefit, etc.
Only a few churches are teaching correct doctrine these days.
There is more to correct doctrine than “Jesus is Lord and Savior”.
Many Spirit-filled Christians are warning, “The church is fast asleep!”

Grace-only, cheap-grace, hyper-grace, easy-believism …
are all called antinomianism! This is the notion that a one-time
justification saves … apart from sanctification. But, this is an
incomplete understanding of God’s wonderful free gift of grace!

The problem with easy-believism is that it allows
those who are living in hypocrisy, disobedience, and sin
(i.e. those who are NOT walking in obedience)
to live comfortably with a false assurance of salvation!
This leads to the tragedy described in Matthew 7:21-23 (for example).

“… some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches,
saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives.
… they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.” (Jude 4-5, NLT)


NOTE: We are talking here about believers who have received the Holy Spirit.

There are at least 10 NT verses for each of the following truths …

Believers prove they have true saving faith:
1 -- by their obedience
2 -- by practicing righteousness
3 -- by living holy lives
4 -- by having a healthy fear of God
5 -- by repenting of their occasional sins
6 –- by overcoming sin, the world, Satan, persecution
7 -- by enduring in the faith to the end of their lives

Re: #4 … If people are believing and trusting in grace-only, cheap-grace,
hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc., HOW can they be fearing God?

So, all of these verses PROVE the road to eternal life is indeed narrow,
and believers are responsible for playing their part in their salvation!
Or, shall we view these verses as merely bluffs, exaggerations, lies even?

Initially, through His grace, God gives to new believers:
Jesus’ righteousness, redemption, reconciliation, etc. and salvation.
However, this grace/salvation is NOT guaranteed to last forever!
Because ONLY their old-past-former sins have been forgiven (2 Peter 1:9).
And because NT verses warn about the possibility of losing salvation.

Some believers became “estranged from Christ”
… they had “fallen from grace” (Galatians 5:4).

Some believers are “of those who draw back to perdition” (Hebrews 10:39).

And there are many more warning verses.
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it is easy believism as you say..ho soever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. :eek: if i cant trust in Grace ..who or what is GRACE ? Jesus he paid the price. Grace is not Cheap
However, this grace/salvation is NOT guaranteed to last forever!
it is if you desire that actually i compare this to trying to walk in the rain w/o rain gear and stay dry
 
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The context and flow of the command only makes sens if "kai" is rendered as "and" in this case.

It makes more sense if "kai" is rendered "even".

Not by our OWN works, no.
HOWEVER - Jesus states emphatically that the works we do as members of the Body were prepared for us in ADVANCE BY GOD (Eph. 2:10).

GOD prepared these works. THIS is why James is so emphatic that True faith = Belief + Works (obedience) in James 2:19-26.
This is ALSO what Paul refers to as the "OBEDIENCE of faith" (Rom. 1:5).

True faith does not include within it works. For we are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.

If works is included in faith, then this scripture doesn't make any sense. The person is not saved by works, but is saved by faith. How then is works included in faith? Perhaps I need to ask the Lord to open your eyes to this truth of holy scripture.

Father, open his eyes.

A living and saving faith always produces works if given the opportunity; but works are not included in faith.

We have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:2). And when it comes to election/salvation, grace and works are mutually exclusive (Romans 11:5-6 (kjv)).

Rom 11:5, Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6, And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.


And the point is that you DON'T abide in Christ 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year without stumbling.

The name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is "YHVH" - NOT Jesus of Nazareth.

Apparently you don't believe that Jesus is God.

Jesus said that since this is the case, you are going to die in your sins (John 8:24); except ye repent.

Scripture is clear:

Col 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

One does not equal 3, and 3 does not equal one.
1+1+1=3, not 1.

Trin math is incomprehensible.

1 x 1 x 1 = 1.

Not saying that I'm a full Trinitarian; just pointing out that some of the math does work.
 
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3 Holy Spirits in the Godhead?

Cool.

There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); the Father (John 4:23-24, Ephesians 4:6), the Son (Colossians 1:27, Ephesians 3:17, 1 John 5:12) and the Holy Ghost (John 7:37-39, 2 Timothy 1:14).
 

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There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); the Father (John 4:23-24, Ephesians 4:6), the Son (Colossians 1:27, Ephesians 3:17, 1 John 5:12) and the Holy Ghost (John 7:37-39, 2 Timothy 1:14).
3 equals 1?

I still don’t get it.
 

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It makes more sense if "kai" is rendered "even".



True faith does not include within it works. For we are saved by grace through faith, and that not ofnourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.

If works is included in faith, then this scripture doesn't make any sense. The person is not saved by works, but is saved by faith. How then is works included in faith? Perhaps I need to ask the Lord to open your eyes to this truth of holy scripture.

Father, open his eyes.

A living and saving faith always produces works if given the opportunity; but works are not included in faith.

We have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:2). And when it comes to election/salvation, grace and works are mutually exclusive (Romans 11:5-6).





Apparently you don't believe that Jesus is God.

Jesus said that since this is the case, you are going to die in your sins (John 8:24); except ye repent.

Scripture is clear:

Col 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.



1 x 1 x 1 = 1.

Not saying that I'm a full Trinitarian; just pointing out that some of the math does work.
Person times person times person equals one thing?
I would never present that in public.
 

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it is easy believism as you say..ho soever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. :eek: if i cant trust in Grace ..who or what is GRACE ? Jesus he paid the price. Grace is not Cheap it is if you desire that actually i compare this to trying to walk in the rain w/o rain gear and stay dry
Is calling on the name of the Lord work, or does the Lord do the calling for us and we just sleep as He does that?
 

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The Father dwells in eternity as an eternal Spirit: the same Spirit dwells in Jesus Christ: who released that Spirit back to the Father who inhabiteth eternity, when He died. Thus, John 1:1, because the Spirit, before and after, dwelleth outside of time.

Distinctions between the Father and the Son: The Father is a Spirit, the Son dwells in human flesh (He is the Father come in human flesh).

Distinctions between the Son and the Holy Ghost: The Holy Ghost is the Spirit and Jesus is a Man.

Distinctions between the Father and the Holy Ghost: the Holy Ghost has lived a full human life as Jesus (see Luke 23:46) and has the perspective of Him who understands humanity; while the Father has not yet lived a human life and does not understand humanity (experientially).

Other than these distinctions between Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, they are all the same Person.
 

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The Father dwells in eternity as an eternal Spirit: the same Spirit dwells in Jesus Christ: who released that Spirit back to the Father who inhabiteth eternity, when He died. Thus, John 1:1, because the Spirit, before and after, dwelleth outside of time.

Distinctions between the Father and the Son: The Father is a Spirit, the Son dwells in human flesh (He is the Father come in human flesh).

Distinctions between the Son and the Holy Ghost: The Holy Ghost is the Spirit and Jesus is a Man.

Distinctions between the Father and the Holy Ghost: the Holy Ghost has lived a full human life as Jesus (see Luke 23:46) and has the perspective of Him who understands humanity; while the Father has not yet lived a human life and does not understand humanity (experientially).

Other than these distinctions between Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, they are all the same Person.
No, much easier than that.

The Father dwells in the human son’s spirit, which the 2 dwell in us aka the Holy Ghost.
 

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The Great Commission is this...
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Gh
There is no great commission, that was for the disicples not all christainity, How can oen go if one has not being sent, it is Christ who sends, if you have not being called than you do not go, All we here ever asked to to do is,

Joh_13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
 
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The mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven are like treasures that are hidden in a field.
Sell all that you have (metaphorically) and buy the field, if you believe that you have discovered it.
Then you can begin searching within the field for its priceless jewels.
But never overlook the darkened glass through which we all have to peer whilst searching.
I've been heart searching for over 50 years and the clearest lesson I have learned is just how dark that glass really is.
Why would that be?
Might it not be because it is only when I meet my Saviour face to face (in reality) that I shall finally "know even as I am known"? (one of my mainstay 'cherry picked' scriptures).
Were in not for the constraint of the 'darkened glass' I might spout 'opinion' re this intriguing collection of several opposing PoV's.
 
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No, much easier than that.

The Father dwells in the human son’s spirit, which the 2 dwell in us aka the Holy Ghost.

Jesus doesn't have two spirits. The Spirit of Jesus is the Father (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11).

There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).
 

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It seems to me, @Truther, that the ghost that your Jesus gave up to the Father (Luke 23:46) was the human spirit of Jesus.

That would make Jesus in us less than God (i.e. Christ in you, the hope of glory, Colossians 1:27).

Nevertheless the following passage tells us that we can be filled with all the fulness of the Lord God (Christ):

Eph 3:16, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17, That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19, And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 3:20, Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
 
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