The Gospel Of The New Covenant

QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 11 2009, 10:33 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70577
Then the issue is resolved..they are the same..
In your world. I'm starting to believe these New Agers that there are sometimes parallel universes.

QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 10 2009, 05:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70539
I already mentioned that, they were divided at one time, dont you know the Story ? I have repeatedly showed you that The Holy Ghost addressed them interchangeably in heb 8: 8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Its the same context, the same people..its plain to see, you reject it because of your traditions of man..
What Are you reading ? continue the verse (Eze 37) this clearly is not passed and is speaking of a time after the return of Christ sense none of this happened yet and God divorced Israel ...........rightly divde the Word.... Just because you say you explained it means little if it doesnt go with Gods Word ...He began talking about this division in Gen. and it continues through to Rev. It covers the Entire book so the fact you think you have some explanation for a verse means zippo .... Its a theme through all of scripture for those with the eyes and ears to understand it.read and learnhttp://reluctant-messenger.com/judahs_sceptre_303.htm

QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 11 2009, 10:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70634
QUOTE (tim_from_pa @ Mar 11 2009, 12:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70585
In your world
In Gods truth, you just are blined..I am reading the bible, what are you reading ?Only a fool would make this kind of statement with their clearly lack of understanding of God's Words. savedbygrace57... You are wise in your own understanding... you are wise in your own conceit in which God is clearly against.

QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 11 2009, 10:56 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70636
In Gods truth, you just are blined..I am reading the bible, what are you reading ?Only a fool would make this kind of statement with their clearly lack of understanding of God's Words. savedbygrace57... You are wise in your own understanding... you are wise in your own conceit in which God is clearly against.
Hey Sis.Whether you're right or wrong, I'd be careful using the word fool NOT to start a fuss..........Your Brother in Christ,Jim

QUOTE (shutin45 @ Mar 12 2009, 12:42 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70668
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 11 2009, 10:56 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70636
Only a fool would make this kind of statement with their clearly lack of understanding of God's Words. savedbygrace57... You are wise in your own understanding... you are wise in your own conceit in which God is clearly against.
Hey Sis.Whether you're right or wrong, I'd be careful using the word fool NOT to start a fuss..........Your Brother in Christ,JimI am careful when saying that word... and I'll be careful when using that word.Just a gentle reminder is that I'm a guy. Thanks for your reminder though.

QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 12 2009, 12:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70670
Hey Sis.Whether you're right or wrong, I'd be careful using the word fool NOT to start a fuss..........Your Brother in Christ,JimI am careful when saying that word... and I'll be careful when using that word.Just a gentle reminder is that I'm a guy. Thanks for your reminder though.
Whoops!!!Sorry BRO Guess the Spirit hasn't been giving me discernment on such either eh? Jim

QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 13 2009, 01:04 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70731
and your not wise at all, so far all you have done is reject truth..
Believe as you may, but the separation of the two houses was God (yes, that's the Holy Spirit) inspired and ordained. God still intended for the house of Israel and the house of Judah to have separate destinies because each clearly and indisputably have different promises. For example, why aren't the Jews a populous people? Because that promise went with the birthright, and the Jew (or Judah) does not have the birthright from Abrahm, Isaac and Jacob. Rather, the tribe of the Lord has the scepter promises from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and notice that if you look at the bible historically only the Davidic monarchy lasted, whereas the Kings of Israel were not Davidic and there was a lot of usurping going on. This is why the Israelites and the Jews often fought because Israel had one king (not Davidic) and Judah another (Davidic).. I won't overload you with too much accurate truth beyond that history, however, I will say this much: as Kriss pointed out they are still separated today because Ezekiel 37 did not occur yet---- nothing this glorious has ever happened yet.You mention that what you said is truth, then how is it that you claimed in the earlier post that King David reigned over both houses after the division? That in itself sends a red flag. One has to get their bible history straight first before taking on such a subject as the two houses.

QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 12 2009, 01:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70670
Hey Sis.Just a gentle reminder is that I'm a guy.
I get this sneakin' suspicion that it's your avatar, man. Maybe upload a big monster truck or something instead. QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 14 2009, 10:40 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70803
and that I do, by the decree of God, and i have shown you your falsehoods, but God is pleased to keep you blinded and deluded to your man made traditions..which is not a good omen for you..
For your info, I came to the conclusion about lost tribes of Israel by my own reading of scripture, then researched the info which you obviously have no clue about any of it. You are typical of someone that knows everything about nothing that they are talking about because you obviously did no 5 minutes of study yourself.. You have not shown an ounce of scripture or proof to show that I am wrong. As a matter of fact, I am not even convinced that you understand what I am talking about because your answers do not reflect the points I made, but rather just accuse me and others of falsehoods which is akin to merely name-calling.Please refrain from posting on the "bible scholarship forum" until you can at least get the historical time line right. You are making yourself look more and more silly by the hour by your own doing. Study first instead of putting on your blinders and preconceived, subjective notions.

QUOTE (tim_from_pa @ Mar 14 2009, 06:50 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70837
I get this sneakin' suspicion that it's your avatar, man. Maybe upload a big monster truck or something instead.
Right on Tim. The avatar started me thinking that. Then I remembered Jordan's vociferous defense of Women in Church/speaking/etc.Just KNEW he was a she Bless ya Bro. All y'all for that matter!!Jim

QUOTE (shutin45 @ Mar 14 2009, 07:00 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70839
QUOTE (tim_from_pa @ Mar 14 2009, 06:50 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70837
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 12 2009, 12:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70670
... Just a gentle reminder is that I'm a guy. ...
I get this sneakin' suspicion that it's your avatar, man. Maybe upload a big monster truck or something instead. Right on Tim. The avatar started me thinking that. Then I remembered Jordan's vociferous defense of Women in Church/speaking/etc.Just KNEW he was a she Bless ya Bro. All y'all for that matter!!JimI can't believe what I am hearing from you guys... Sheesh ... you guys are a nutcase when you think that... What's wrong with being a male child?

QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 14 2009, 08:42 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70840
I can't believe what I am hearing from you guys... Sheesh ... you guys are a nutcase when you think that... What's wrong with being a male child?
Just having fun.... we all like you.

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setfree say:The New Covenant applies to both Israel and Judah (i.e. all 12 tribes of the Jews) (Jeremiah 31:31).
Vickie says, hi and what a topic that has led many to different opinions. I won't say I understand it all, but here is some. What I see from reading is that there is only a remnant of the 12 tribes being brought into the 1000 yrs reign. They will replenish the earth for God. Isaiah 27:6. Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an sign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Isa 37:31 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward: Jer 50:20 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve. Rev. 14:1 speaks of it being 144000 that are sealed in the end time. This is the number of the remnant to start the reproducing by God in the Millennium. They enter the new heart covenant that will be everlasting. Isa 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah[/u]; they shall feed thereupon: in the houses of Ashkelon shall they lie down in the evening: for the LORD their God shall visit them, and turn away their captivity. QUOTE
setfree says:God will take away the Jews' sins (Jeremiah 31:34 and Romans 11:26-27). Under the Mosaic Covenant the Jews' sins were never removed, but instead their sins were "covered." But under the New Covenant their sins will be removed and forgotten.
Vickie says:I don't see where God has written or shown when he saves the whole house of Israel. I only see a remnant. I see from Joel 3:13 when the sickle is swing the God tramples the grapes as Rev. 14:14-20 point out to us. God says in verse 21 of Joel, he will pardon their bloodguilt then, when he dwells in Zion, for ever and ever. These things are just my observation from what I read in the scriptures. I have not read everything in perfection yet. As God has not revealed it all to me, and I don't think anyone out here has had it all revealed to them. Not even the scholars. QUOTE
setfree says: The New Covenant is an everlasting covenant (Isaiah 61:8, Jeremiah 32:40, and Ezekiel 37:26). God will greatly bless the Jews with peace and prosperity (Isaiah 61:9, Jeremiah 32:40-41, Ezekiel 34:25-31, 36:24-38, and 37:26). God will put His sanctuary (His Temple) among them and dwell among them forever (Ezekiel 37:26-28). This will take place during the Millennium (Christ's thousand-year reign of righteousness, peace, and prosperity after the Second Coming).
Vickie says: Mal 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. There is another verse I can't find off hand, that describes the seed of Jacob as God's jewels. He appears to be speaking of them of how God is viewing them from HIS EYES. For when the kingdom is set up, what I've read so far speaks nothing of a real temple, but we as his temple, and Judah, the apostles are the pearls, it seems rather descriptive of their abilities with God as he dwells with men. The He fills us up and makes us holy, that he dwells in us. I could be wrong, but this is what I am reading. I am familiar with Ezekiel, and I am not so sure that and Revelation is speaking of a physical. Because the measure of the temple in Ezekiel, it seems to be rather the entire areas of where the tribes dwells. Just some food for though you might want to look into. QUOTE
Set free says:The New Covenant was specifically made between God and Israel (the Jewish people). Yet in the New Testament we see a "new covenant" in Jesus' blood which includes the Gentiles. This seems rather confusing on the surface, and a number of Bible scholars have concluded that there are two "new covenants" in the Bible. Other Bible scholars believe that the Church has "replaced" Israel, and therefore the New Covenant which God made with Israel is being fulfilled in the Church. However, both of these explanations are unsatisfactory because the Bible does not clearly define two separate and distinct "new covenants," and because the Church has not "replaced" Israel.
Vickie says:That's is what I see also, the church today under Christ has not replaced the 12 tribes. God says he is raising up a seed that will be as the sands of the sea promised to Abraham, but it will come through the reproduction in the Millennium. This is in Ezekiel. Constant study is needful, but unless the Lord opens our eyes to his promises written, we can't see it or accept it often because we are taught certain understanding and it can blind us to the truth of what God has written. So, I try to say open to what the bible is saying and to let others know when it is my opinion as I have here. Thanks for bringing this up., it is most definitely a big topic, that brings in many theories. In Christ's precious nameVickie

Let me plead my ignorance here, guys, but may I ask, what are you guys trying to prove about New Testament Christianity? I'm not sure where you guys are coming from...

(I see now this is an old thread, though.)