The Sword Sent By God An Ordinance Rm 13:1-5

KJV) Romans 13:1-5 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God.2.) Whosoever therefore resist "the POWER" resist the "ORDINANCE" of GOD. And they that resistshall receive to themselves " DAMNATION". 3.) For rulers are not a terror to "GOOD WORKS" but to EVIL. Will We then be AFRAID of the power?Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same. 4.) For he is the minister of GOD to thee "FOR GOOD". But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he bears not the SWORD in VAIN.NIV) 5.) Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible PUNISHMENTbut also because of conscience.This is what came to me upon reading these verses: verse 1 is saying there is no power but God's, for he has set up these powers upon the earth. The Power of theSword that falls on his people. As well as the powers that bring prosperity to us. America has been under powersso far that have made us prosperous..the powers coming upon us under the rulership of OBAMA are different.These too are from God and we are subjected to His rulership, if in fact he is the SWORD being Ishmael's seed.We don't understand it fully yet, but we will as we continue on into this birth canal that will bring us into the Kingdomof Christ here on earth for the 1000 yr reign with him and our gift of eternal life given to us who are written in the Lamb's book of life. Isa 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord do all these things.Verse 2) We are to submit to the governing authorities over us For we resist we will receive DAMNATION. God speaks tous here, we are subjected to all governing authorities over us, let us be careful to not break God's ORDINANCE. God has placed the authorities over the lands and all Christians are subjected to it's rulers. As Daniel had Babylonian Laws over him, he abides in that Babylonian Law under the Ordinance of God while there. It is the same for us to follow the example of Daniel if we are in captivity. On war that comes soon is this prophecy's fulfillment:Zechariah 14:2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight "AGAINST IT". The city will be captured. (God is sending the SWORD to go against his nation Israel and Judah) Daniel 12:11 from the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 30 days. During the 30 day period which is the difference of the 1290-1260=30 days that involve the armies surrounding Jerusalemand the people will be fleeing as Matthew 24 describes this event. This is why the wars going on there now willcontinue to this event is fulfilled.We Saints are going into Captivity to go before the beast and false prophet for 1260 days. At the end of this opposition we will face, there is a 45 day period that making the 1335 days Daniel spoke of complete and some where in that time frame is where Jesus Returns, though we are not told the day or the hour we are given this time frame. Don't grow weary Our King comes. We rise up to meet the Lord in the Sky and we are changed in the twinkling of an eye. Rev 14:13 Blessed are they who die in the Lord from now on. This is that prophecy's fulfillment with us. Then we are put into some rooms that Isaiah 26:19-21 speaks about with the resurrection of the dead. These rooms are the rooms that John 14:2-3 are speaking about. I am just not sure yet, if the time element of the event of Zechariah 14:3 the armies who went against Jerusalem are destroyed by Christ and Judah, as Zech 14:14 proves this, but whether it is before we go into the rooms prepared for us, I am not sure. If anyone can show me in scriptures this answer I would appreciate it. this in Zechariah 14:3 will happen For Judah comes back with Christ as Zechariah 14:14 shows us to fight at Jerusalem. Revelation 14:1-3 is speaking of this same event for John saw that vision in Revelation of Christ returning with the 144000, who are those in Rev 7 that had a seal put on them. Judah is with Christ in the destruction of the armies as Zechariah 14:14 declares it. Though the time element of when it still not clear in the scriptures yet for me. Isa 34 speaks about this event also. Isa 34:1-3 Come near, ye nations, and listen; pay attention, you peoples! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it.The world, and all that comes out of it! The Lord is angry with 'ALL NATIONS' HIS WRATH is upon all their armies. He will totally destroy their armies, he will give them over to SLAUGHTER. Their dead bodies will send up a stench; the mountains will be soaked with their blood. All the Stars of the Heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree. This is all end time prophecy that is coming upon Israel and is in process now. The wars against her will continue to the prophecy of Zechariah 14:2 is fulfilled. Every attack against her is not RANDOM, it is from GOD. HE send the disasters as well as well as prosperity, remember?) I went way beyond the point of Rm 13 didn't I? Verse 3) For rulers hold no terror for those who do good, under their powers, but to those who go against God towards these rulers, they will face damnation as Paul said in verse 2. And will bring great distress on themselves.This is very serious and it caught me today when reading this. When we go into captivity, by the SWORD, called Ishmael's seed, we are not to fight against it, but rather, please God and follow God's ORDINANCE. These verses are very much informing us how to be under the SWORD, as verse 4 points out to us. We need to take every single word being spoken by God through Paul, for us, to heart. Not only to render unto Cesare's what is Cesare's , which is saying to follow the Laws we're under so that we are not subjected to their court systems and their punishment for breaking their laws. We are to render our souls unto the Lord's command in his Ordinances given to us under ALL circumstances. Verse 4) God has rulers on His earth that he uses for HIS GOOD, though they be HIS SWORD against his people. this seed is Ishmael. God said in Gen 16:12 Ishmael's hand will always be against his brother. For God has made himthis way to be the Sword for God. God has created this disaster upon his people as Isa 45:7 says. God's SWORD has not only consisted of Ishmael, but the 12 tribes from his seed that are spoken about through out thebible as people God has used to bring his chosen people into slaughter and captivity. Verse 5.) As Paul admonishes us to submit to these authorities, Why we pay taxes, why we submit to their governing authorities for they have been placed here by God over us. To go against them in the smallest way is going against thecommand of God in his ORDINANCE given to HIS PEOPLE, US as well as the JEWS. As Daniel set the example for us let us honor God as Daniel did when the Sword is sent by God. Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or SWORD?This has been an eye opener for me. The depth of what is being said and the need to be obedient to the Words of Godunder any authority place over us is the Great God's ORDINANCE TO ALL OF US WHO ARE HIS. Amen. IN CHRIST'S PRECIOUS WORDS OF TRUTHVickie

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JULES says: KJV) Romans 13:1-5 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God.nice try ....- You're saying that the Iranian population should just sit quietly and obey their rulers - because they are good for them?- How does Robert Mugabe's tyranny fit into the picture. Should the Zimbabweans really obey him? Has he been put there by God?- Why did America go and help when the Iraquis called for help? Shouldn't the 'Christian USA' have said: "Just obey Saddam"?- And ALL the Germans should have obeyed Hitler? No resistance?- What should people do if their government is ruled by the 'infallible' pope (Poland, Italy, Spain, and so on) - is that ok for Christians to obey satan's puppets?
What I am saying is not being understood. WE serve Christ in how we act in all situation, under all governments placed over us, whether they be a blessed government or a cursed government, we honor God in it. That is what these verses prescribe to us all, under what ever government is placed over all Christians. Rm 8:35 Who shall separate us from the LOVE OF CHRIST? shall tribulation (or captivity?) or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? What ever situation we are in, we serve God. How do we serve God? By walking in the commands of God that come under the New set of LAWS of Christ that he brought (Hebrews 7:12) when he became the new High Priest. Are you familiar with them? To love your enemy, pray for them, to feed them to serve them? All in the name of Christ?We have a walk to perform and a path that leads to eternal life if we walk on it. Daniel gives us a great example of following God's laws he was under. while being in captivity under another government that did not honor God, He proved his love for God when he wouldn't deny God as his God over him while in captivity, he was put in the lion's den and God was with him.It is the same for you and me and all true Christians while under any government we exist in we walk in the laws of Christ for he is our ruler over us, even unto death if called, we do this. Never denying the God whom we serve, but loving the enemy around us. It is the NEW COVENANT LAW written in MATTHEW spoken of in Hebrews 7:12. Hope this helped clarify things. IN CHRIST PRECIOUS WORDSVickie

QUOTE (GeneralJ @ Mar 8 2009, 10:27 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70362
Gods wrath is reserved for the wicked, not the righteous.
That's right! Wrath for the wicked, tribulation for the perfecting of the Saints.QUOTE
General says:When we submit ourself to the will of God and his ordinances for righteous living we are not subject to carnal laws for we attain a higher calling. It is milk to obey simple ordinances of carnality when we operate out of the righteousness of Christ Spirit within us.
Our carnality that is still the old man in us will surface in the opposition under the beast and we will be put to the testof whom we serve, God or the beast. This is not wrath but a perfecting of the Saints who are enduring and patient. Are you not subjected to Laws of men now ? If you go out and steal, will they, man's government, not PUT YOU IN JAIL? We learn not to go and steal because of being under God's law, if we steal we are forgiven by Christ. But Man's LAWS do not forgiven, you pay when you go in front of the Judge, a fine, imprisonment. We are not free of mans government God has placed over us, ON TOP OF GOD"S LAW. Don't be deceived on this. We, Christians all over the world exist under governments. Some better than others, some worse. God wrath is not equated with the tribulation, they are two different occasions that bring about what GOD wants. Both serve his purpose. Our Lord hears our voice and answers us in the tribulation and we are removed and placed in our rooms as Isa 26:19-20 prophecy. The Lord, in his wrath, comes after the tribulation and we are gone, it is punishment and death in the wrath, to those WHO DID NOT BELIEVE HIM. The bible is full of description of this Wrath from God on the earth.The seed sowed on the rock counted the word of God as joy until persecutions set in, Matt 13:20-21 when persecutions set in such as the tribulation coming upon this earth, those who have the word of God and it hasn't taken root deep, will fall away.In the tribulation we Saints have our job that requires being opposition by the 8th King a commander of sort, as Daniel 11 calls him, this beast who is a man with the kingdom of Satan. WE Saints will be opposed by this man who has received Satan's throne (REV 13:2) now, that government we are going under, we Christians will not disobey our Lord while in the opposition of it. as Rev 13:10 last part: This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the PART OF THE SAINTS. QUOTE
The wicked will be punished but the righteous will escape Gods wrath.
yes, the righteous escape God's wrath for it comes after the tribulation and the perfecting of the Saints for when the 1335 days (Dan 12:12) are finished at some point Christ will return and take those that are alive as 1 Thess 4:15 says, then the WRATH of God comes on the people of the earth.If you think for a second. the Son of Perdition, the beast, who is in the temple causing the abomination for 1260 days this tells us that this time is very chaotic and we are being opposed by this 8th king, who has received the powers of Satan. This is not going to be a slumber party, though, 5 of the 10 virgins, sleep and did not get oil for their lamps when the bride groom came they were left behind, for THE WRATH OF GOD. " QUOTE
There are many 'wicked and evil" rulers in power, and God will use them to serve his purpose. But we are not commanded to subject ourselves to evil because evil rules.
Absolutely, right on!QUOTE
We are commanded to subject ourselves to Christ and in that the World will hate us, persecute us and yes kill us.2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
I think I'll go back and re-write some of the original post to make it more clear. Thanks for responding. Just remember we Saints will be perfected in this tribulation that is like gold being tried in fire. Zech 13:9. Our Lord will hear us and answer our prayers and take us through into the Kingdom of Christ here on earth, he promises and has written about it for our encouragement and understanding to be prepared for it. We serve a Good God. IN Christ's precious nameVickie

QUOTE (shutin45 @ Mar 9 2009, 04:04 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70477
May our Lord bless you dear Vickie.It is good when the Brethren communicate to get to the Truth in a manner like this that pleases our Lord. Jim
Thank you my brother, our King is coming and we are entering into the birth pains for delivery. Our Lordbrought the Holy Spirit on me in a manner that brought forth revelation speaking Our Children will be in theresurrection. Yes, they will! I had never seen it in the O.T. only that our children are sanctified and made holy through us. Here are a couple of verses that God has been showing me now in the bible that bring it out greater that which hemade known to me. There are more, I just can't think of them off the top of my head. But you'll enjoy these.Joel 2:15-16 Blow the trumpet in Zion, declare a holy fast, call a sacred assembly. Gather the people consecratethe assembly; bring together the elders, gather the children, those nursing at the breast. Let the BRIDGROOMleave his room and the BRIDE her chambers. ( We are the bride with Christ the bridegroom as the kingdom has arrived)Isaiah 44:3 For I will pour water on the thirsty land, and streams on the dry ground; I WILL POUR OUT MY SPIRIT ONYOUR OFFSPRING, and my blessing on your descendants. Isaiah is speaking about the children of three groups of people who are identified in verse 5 whose offspring will be in the kingdom of God. We who belong to the Lord are in this group described very clear:Isa 44:5 One will say, I belong to the Lord; another will call himself by the name of Jacob, and still another will write on his hand, "The Lord's, and will take the name Israel. These groups which show us, will have our offspring given God's spirit to reproduce and multiply like the sands of the sea during this 1000 yrs reign. We who are changed won't be reproducing, for we are neither male nor female's who reproduce anymore as Jesus said in Matthew. Our families will be with us. These little things our Lord took me to after speaking in the spirit to me, made me giggle and laugh, for as many years as I have been reading I never saw this one. Our Lord is a good God who loves us all so much, letting me see where he always had it written about our children and his promise being kept to us. I know these scriptures will give you comfort concerning your children and their children if not already saved. We serve a very loving God that is bringing our children into the kingdom with us. We are not exclusive as some would like to think. Love your children and show them what the Great God who made them is going to do. It is good. In Christ's precious name Vickie

QUOTE (Christina @ Mar 9 2009, 07:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70486
God also promises those of us faithful enough to be Jailed by Antichrist Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. As far as Im concerned if we can not give TEN days for our Lord and savior after what he has done for us we dont deserve a crown of LifeAnd if one is interested on what happens when we are put on trial Mark 13 tells us .....what a wonderous thing this will be for God himself will speak through us we are not to premeditate what we will say ....See post #5http://www.christianityboard.com/index.php...hl=unforgivable
You hit it right on the nail, Christina.What ever we individually or collectively may suffer, Christ will be with us to help us. He loves us and he is not a God that will leave us abandoned, to be cast to the side, this is not the Lord whom we serve. Nor will he allow more to be put on us than what we can endure. These are promises written to us in the scriptures. So, when we are in tribulation, let none of us take our eyes off of the King, but trusting in him to deliver us even unto death, for death is only sleep and he will raise us up with the sound of the trumpet that is soon to be heard on earth. I love Isaiah.Isaiah 26:19-20 But, your dead shall live; their bodies shall rise, You who dwell in the dust of the earth, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the EARTH WILL GIVE BIRTH TO HER DEAD. Go, MY PEOPLE, enter into your rooms, (John 14:1-3 which many have not understood these rooms) hide yourselves for a little while until his WRATH has passed by. verse 21) See the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her and she will conceal her slain no longer. This event is very close to happening. When I say close to happening it involves the 1335 days spoken of in Daniel which involves 3 1/2 yrs. We still have this short time ahead. For me short time is in the next 7 yrs or so or less. God said I was going through this tribulation and I 57 yrs. This was two yrs ago, and now I see the whole earth is waking up to this time expected. For even the TV evangelist are speaking about it, for it is coming upon the earth. For me this is a short time even if it is 7 more years or so. I love the verses you brought out Christina for we don't have to worry about what we will say, the Holy Spirit will speak through us, for it will be prophecy from our Lord, brought by us, the Saints, to those who are perishing perhaps. We will be his messengers. Whatever it is we will be full of God's spirit proclaiming all he speaks through us. How awesome this time will be in speaking with God and His hand on us so magnificently, his Works being established in us, in a fullness that prepares and perfects us in HIM. The suffering we experience will bring us joy, because he suffered for us. And we are counted worthy to be called HIS. Let us keep busy with good works, that he may be glorified in all we say and do.IN Christ's precious nameVickie

QUOTE (setfree @ Mar 10 2009, 09:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70495
Joel 2:15-16 Blow the trumpet in Zion, declare a holy fast, call a sacred assembly. Gather the people consecratethe assembly; bring together the elders, gather the children, those nursing at the breast. Let the BRIDGROOMleave his room and the BRIDE her chambers. ( We are the bride with Christ the bridegroom as the kingdom has arrived)This is a very interesting scripture...can you explain it more in detail?
Yes, I love these verses. We have come through the tribulation, we have been brought out of our rooms that Isaiah 26:20 touches on briefly, and Christ is with us, though to be honest, I am not sure we are seeing him physically. As you read further down this post you'll see why. Our Children have been given back to all of us. There are three groups of people that have arrived in this setting. Isaiah 44:5 One will say, ' I belong to the Lord', (1) another will call himself by Jacob (2)and still another will write on is hand, 'The Lord's, and take the name Israel" (pretty cool huh?) We Christians are definitely here.God tells us in Isa 43:18 Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a NEW THING! Now it springs up do you not perceive it? What we have been taught for the coming Kingdom's birth has almost never been spoke about. Here in Isaiah God say, Don't YOU perceive it? ( God is so cool, I love his way of speaking to us) It seems God is speaking to us that we haven't perceived the Kingdom's arrived with it's people, because the earth doesn't seem to have spring forth with the new grass and water, and new grain just yet. for Joel 2:19 show us God sends it after we have been brought out of the bride's chambers we were put into. This is very interesting. This is what the whole book of Joel is, prophecy of the Last Days into the kingdom of God being set up on earth. God has his people (Joel 2:16) gathered, from out of the rooms we've been placed in (Isa 26:20, we the bride come out, Christ appears to be talking to us, but it appears to be from out of the heavesn and God has the elders with the our children that have been gathered brought out to us. They are given the Holy Spirit, for they are our offspring, the whole earth will be filled with the Spirit of God. What is interesting is that Joel is prophesying the priest who minister before the Lord, (is this the 24 elders spoken of in Revelations, that are before the Lord day and night? I think it is. ) are to say this to God, "Spare your people", O Lord. Do not make them an object of scorn, etc. The very last sentence gives the appearance that God is being spoken to and he is in the Heavens speaking down to the priest that minister before him. IN MY OPINION, please realize it is my opinion only: The bridegroom LEAVES his chamber which is in Heaven, this leaving his chamber/room has significance that is not fully disclosed to us in these verses. For it appears that the Lord, Jesus is replying back to these priest saying he will send new grain, new wine, and oil. The rest of this chapter speaks of the power of God sending the Northern army far away, where I assume is the event of the slaughter that takes place. When reading these prophets visions that have been given to them, they all are perceiving pretty much the same events occurring that entail this NEW BIRTH taking place and we get a little different insight from each one. Tying them all together gives us greater depth of the events unfolding and the set up of the new kingdom of God on earth. You can see I have been completely engulfed in the reading of this wonder new kingdom of God that is very near being set up upon the earth. Our Lord has opened up the scriptures more than ever concerning what is coming. I did ask him to show me what is the kingdom about, that I be more encouraged and at peace. This is what is coming forth from God to give me more peace and joy and great understanding of what our Lord is going to do. It has been in the bible this whole time, but I had never seen it. Do you just love our LORD? He is such a Great God to open our eyes if we ask him? Giving us that which we desire? Ask him for good things and he will shower them on any child of his that ask. Hope this gave you a little more insight. And encouragement to seek him in this matter privately. He is just a prayer away.In Christ's precious and loving nameVickie

QUOTE (shutin45 @ Mar 10 2009, 02:30 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70517
Dear Vickie,I mainly wanted to mention a book called Heaven by Randy Alcorn. It discusses - using all the Verses in the Bible - what Heaven and the New Earth will be like.It's a very good book that might help you see all that is to be.Your Brother in Christ,Jim
Thank you Jim. My husband would love for me to read books. I haven't touched books since 1998. I found there is is not enough time for me to read anything but, the bible to really know it. I quit reading newspapers, magazines, even my computer PC mag's that I enjoyed. I've turned to the bible completely. Searching it day in and day out pretty much, matching up verses as God shows them to me. I'm near 30 yrs into the bible of studying it. It fascinates me and consumes me to know God more. It is the most exciting path I've journeyed on. I am consumed with it, and it's a good thing. Not perfected in it all yet, but I am going as far as I can with great joy. In Christian Love Vickie

QUOTE (setfree @ Mar 10 2009, 10:45 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70554
Joel 2:15-16 Blow the trumpet in Zion, declare a holy fast, call a sacred assembly. Gather the people consecratethe assembly; bring together the elders, gather the children, those nursing at the breast. Let the BRIDGROOMleave his room and the BRIDE her chambers. ( We are the bride with Christ the bridegroom as the kingdom has arrived) Where do you think the Bride will be? What do you think the chambers represent?
The Elect will be opposed by the beast in Jerusalem (Dan 7:25, Rev 13:7) so I would say that we are all ultimately are going to be in Jerusalem if we are alive when he comes. For Rev 13:10 says we who are to go into captivity will go which will be 1/3 of Christians for the the others will be killed by the sword as Zech 13:7-9 declares it. We who are to be tried by the fire, opposed by the Son of Perdition, who has entered into the temple has to have us brought over there. We will all be there in Jerusalem as the BRIDE OF CHRIST. The chambers, I am not sure yet. We are the house that God dwells in making us many rooms in the house of God, for John 14:1-3 says in my Fathers HOUSE are many rooms. We are the fulfillment of that spoken. Because Isaiah 26:19-21 speaks of the resurrection taking place, the bride being gathered with them and put into some place while the Wrath of God comes over the people of the earth, is all I know and that it is here on earth. We do not leave the earth. In the prophets I read about the description of clouds appearing (light clouds and dark) during the Day of the LordJoel 2:2 says a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness takes place much of the time in the Last Days. It is God and not man's doing. God has used Clouds through out his dealing with mankind in speaking to them and dealing with them. Matt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the CLOUD, which said, This is my Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, hear HIM. Dan. 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and , behold one like the Son of man came with the CLOUDS of heaven and came to the Ancient of DAYS, and they brought him near before him. Luke 9:34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud OVER SHADOWING THEM; and they feared as they entered into the CLOUD. Ezek 38:9Thou shalt ascend and come like a STORM, thous shalt be like a cloud to cover the Land. , thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee. I Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the AIR and so we will be with the Lord forever. Definition | Easton's Bible Dictionary Air — the atmosphere, as opposed to the higher regions of the sky (1 Thess. 4:17; Rev. 9:2; 16:17). This word occurs once as the rendering of the Hebrew ruah (Job 41:16); elsewhere it is the rendering of shamaiyim, usually translated “heavens.” The expression “to speak into the air” (1 Cor. 14:9) is a proverb denoting to speak in vain, as to “beat the air” (1 Cor. 9:26) denotes to labour in vain. When the Lord comes will this CLOUD cover us that is spoken about through out the scriptures, is what rising in the AIR actually is? I believe it is. What every you have gleamed in the scriptures you'd like to share please do concerning the rooms, or the day of the Lord. For there is much written explaining it, we just have to find them. In Christ's precious words Vickie