Revelation 11-the measure of the temple

Truther said:

It is 99.9% literal, with a few symbols

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Do you really believe this?

101G said:

but anyway, Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him"

Revelation 14:14 "And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle".

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Your verse selctions speak of two different comings.
Daniel speaks of His FIRST appearance.
Rev. Speaks of His sudden and Glorious return

Earburner said:

Luke 18[8] I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

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thats a tough question yeah? Which earth? The heaven and earth that “fled away from the face of Him which sits upon the throne and no place was found
Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

OR 2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
the constant back and forth of this thread discussing the Jerusalem where the Jews are gathering materials to build a future temple OR NEW Jerusalem which above is Free gathered to Christ. If it applies there then it also applies for “look for new heavens and a new earth WHEREIN dwells (GODS)righteousness. How can it not since God dwells in that which is made NEW.

VictoryinJesus said:

thats a tough question yeah? Which earth? The heaven and earth that “fled away from the face of Him which sits upon the throne and no place was found
Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

OR 2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
the constant back and forth of this thread discussing the Jerusalem where the Jews are gathering materials to build a future temple OR NEW Jerusalem which above is Free gathered to Christ. If it applies there then it also applies for “look for new heavens and a new earth WHEREIN dwells (GODS)righteousness. How can it not since God dwells in that which is made NEW.

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This is the problem with salt that’s lost it’s savor.

Waiting on him said:

This is the problem with salt that’s lost it’s savor.

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But praise God! He builds a place.

Truther said:

Yes.
It sure is not Trump...LOL

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Jeremiah 5:14

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Waiting on him said:

May want to also consider your chronology, theres 1000 year reign that has to take place prior to this.

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So says "Religion", but that is NOT what the Spirit says.
If you examine more closely 2 Peter 3:8-10, you will discover what the Lord is "longsuffering" about, and how He will end it all in a moments notice, when people no longer have faith to believe that God is.
Hebrews 11:6

Psalm 144:11-12 KJV
[11] Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood: [12] That our sons may be as plants grown up in their youth; that our daughters may be as corner stones, polished after the similitude of a palace:


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Earburner said:

Your verse selctions speak of two different comings.
Daniel speaks of His FIRST appearance.
Rev. Speaks of His sudden and Glorious return

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No, I WAS MAKING A POINT ABOUT THE CLOUDS, BUT IN Daniel it's not a coming to earth but a leaving earth and coming home to heaven
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IMPORTANT, did one notice the description of the ancient of days? yes, the same description of the Lord Jesus who came to him that sat on the throne.... did you see it Earburner?

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Waiting on him said:

This is the problem with salt that’s lost it’s savor.

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wherewith shall it be salted? From Above. Hebrews 13:13-14 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. [14] For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

101G said:

No, I WAS MAKING A POINT ABOUT THE CLOUDS, BUT IN Daniel it's not a coming to earth but a leaving earth and coming home to heaven
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IMPORTANT, did one notice the description of the ancient of days? yes, the same description of the Lord Jesus who came to him that sat on the throne.... did you see it Earburner?

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Compare Daniel 7:9 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

To Revelation 1:14 "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Revelation 1:15 "And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

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101G said:

No, I WAS MAKING A POINT ABOUT THE CLOUDS, BUT IN Daniel it's not a coming to earth but a leaving earth and coming home to heaven
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IMPORTANT, did one notice the description of the ancient of days? yes, the same description of the Lord Jesus who came to him that sat on the throne.... did you see it Earburner?

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Job 37:9-13 Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north. [10] By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened. (WHO can make that crooked straight?) [11] Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud: [12] And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth. [13] He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land (Mark 4:20)or for mercy.
he scatters his bright cloud: Mark 14:27-29 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered. [28] But after that I am risen, I will go before you into Galilee. [29] But Peter said unto him, Although all shall be offended, yet will not I.

"I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
For John all thrones had been cast down


Colossians 1:16,20 KJV
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: [20] And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.


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Earburner said:

Luke 18[8] I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

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Again, which earth? Which Jerusalem?

101G said:

Compare Daniel 7:9 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

To Revelation 1:14 "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Revelation 1:15 "And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

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Both describe what Jesus appears as now and when he returns to end human rule.

You might consider that the thousand years spoken of in Rev. is not literal, but rather symbolic of God's Age of Grace, which is now.

Earburner said:

You might consider that the thousand years spoken of in Rev. is not literal, but rather symbolic of God's Age of Grace, which is now.

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Let's see.....


2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired,....


....I would say, definitely literal.

101G said:

And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;

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Could be literal but also could be from being in the furnace with Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Or could be when He walked with men in the furnace of affliction;For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Or His feet “O how beautiful are the feet (His)of those who publish peace and good tidings” tried in the fire Isaiah 48:10-12 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. [11] For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it : for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. [12] Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

VictoryinJesus said:

Could be literal but also could be from being in the furnace with Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Or could be when He walked with men in the furnace of affliction;For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Or His feet “O how beautiful are the feet (His)of those who publish peace and good tidings” tried in the fire Isaiah 48:10-12 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. [11] For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it : for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. [12] Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

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Literal.
John saw Jesus in Rev 1 and it about killed him...frightening new appearance now.

101G said:

No, I WAS MAKING A POINT ABOUT THE CLOUDS, BUT IN Daniel it's not a coming to earth but a leaving earth and coming home to heaven
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IMPORTANT, did one notice the description of the ancient of days? yes, the same description of the Lord Jesus who came to him that sat on the throne.... did you see it Earburner?

PICJAG.

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Hmmm, not so fast! Slow down and restudy KJV
Daniel 7. You will discover that event took place in Heaven, when Jesus was in His preincarnate state.

7[13] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

[14] And there was given him [by the Father] dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
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Jesus preincarnate.
Angels
God the Father
Kingdom of God

Please notice in the following, that Jesus reveals that to be so, to His disciples:
Luke 12[32] Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Iows, God the Father could not have given the kingdom to the disciples, unless He first gave it to His Son!

Thats what we are looking at in Daniel 7:14.
PRIOR TO Jesus' first appearance, He was given the kingdom, before His first appearance.

BTW, Daniel was to the Jews, as Revelations is to the church.