Revelation 11-the measure of the temple

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2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired,....


....I would say, definitely literal.
Nope! You have missed when the "binding" took place.
Quite literally, the "strongman"-satan was bound by Jesus in his first appearance. He is bound from interfering with the KoG being preached on the earth, and God's desire to save as many as He can from each generation.
Matthew 12:29
Mark 3:27
Luke 11:21

However, when there shall "first come a falling away", then shall the Day of God come.
Just prior to his return, satan shall be released for a short while.
How long that actually is, we don't know.
But as for satan being the "prince of the air", it appears his release was approximately in the mid/late 1800s. It was then that the sciences intervened and have taken over the world, through every concept of life imaginable!

Prior to that, man couldn't imagine or design anything beyond the "horse and buggie" for 6000 years.
So where did this increase of extreme knowledge come from? Ans. Satan was released from being bound!

Also during that time, was "The Great Awakening", whereby the church was put on notice, that the time of Christ's physical and Glorious return is truly at hand!
 

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Nope! You have missed when the "binding" took place.
Quite literally, the "strongman"-satan was bound by Jesus in his first appearance. He is bound from interfering with the KoG being preached on the earth, and God's desire to save as many as He can from each generation.
Matthew 12:29
Mark 3:27
Luke 11:21

However, when there shall "first come a falling away", then shall the Day of God come.
Just prior to his return, satan shall be released for a short while.
How long that actually is, we don't know.
But as for satan being the "prince of the air", it appears his release was approximately in the mid/late 1800s. It was then that the sciences intervened and have taken over the world, through every concept of life imaginable!

Prior to that, man couldn't imagine or design anything beyond the "horse and buggie" for 6000 years.
So where did this increase of extreme knowledge come from? Ans. Satan was released from being bound!

Also during that time, was "The Great Awakening", whereby the church was put on notice, that the time of Christ's physical and Glorious return is truly at hand!
I think our points missed each other.

Someone asks if the 1000 years are literal years.

I showed 1000 years spoken of 6 times in the passage.

This means 1000 years, not whatever years.
 

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Hmmm, not so fast! Slow down and restudy KJV
Daniel 7. You will discover that event took place in Heaven, when Jesus was in His preincarnate state.

7[13] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

[14] And there was given him [by the Father] dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
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Jesus preincarnate.
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God the Father
Kingdom of God

Please notice in the following, that Jesus reveals that to be so, to His disciples:
Luke 12[
32] Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Iows, God the Father could not have given the kingdom to the disciples, unless He first gave it to His Son!

Thats what we are looking at in Daniel 7:14.
PRIOR TO Jesus' first appearance, He was given the kingdom, before His first appearance.

BTW, Daniel was to the Jews, as Revelations is to the church.
I believe you missed my point, in His preincarnate state is when he sits in Daniel 7. and his Glorified state after his resurrection in Revelation 1. now compare his preincarnate state, and his glorified state after his resurrection. this is bared out in Revelation chapter 5.

see what I saying now?

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I believe you missed my point, in His preincarnate state is when he sits in Daniel 7. and his Glorified state after his resurrection in Revelation 1. now compare his preincarnate state, and his glorified state after his resurrection. this is bared out in Revelation chapter 5.

see what I saying now?

PICJAG.
Both instances are at the beginning of the millennial reign.

Daniel 7 is not pre incarnate Jesus, it is a future prophecy
 

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Literal.
John saw Jesus in Rev 1 and it about killed him...frightening new appearance now.

wadr then you will need to eat His literal flesh and drink His literal blood. why not Cannibalism? “the act of consuming another individual of the same species as food. Cannibalismis a common ecological interaction in the animal kingdom and has been recorded in more than 1,500 species. Human cannibalism is well documented, both in ancient and in recent times.”

of course that one is (mostly) accepted as “Spiritual” separating it from the rest of “the words I speak unto you; they are Spirit, they are Life.” He explained that one was an exception...it goes. Did He? when they murmured what is He saying we must eat His flesh and drink His blood? And they went away offended.

Hitler threw Jews in a furnace ...did Hitler take it too literal.
Another member mentioned men trying to force him to stop being left-handed as a child...certain he would grow up to be one of those on the left hand. So decide are His words Spirit, are they Life? God is not the author of confusion...man is the author of confusion ...

you must eat His flesh and drink His blood...Literal or Spirit? Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.


As far as it taking a literal seeing of a man with feet as if they were burned in a furnace...He said blessed are they who fear the Lord and depart from evil. Could say that is when the vail is removed and the body of sins is removed by Christ.
 

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wadr then you will need to eat His literal flesh and drink His literal blood. why not Cannibalism? “the act of consuming another individual of the same species as food. Cannibalismis a common ecological interaction in the animal kingdom and has been recorded in more than 1,500 species. Human cannibalism is well documented, both in ancient and in recent times.”

of course that one is (mostly) accepted as “Spiritual” separating it from the rest of “the words I speak unto you; they are Spirit, they are Life.” He explained that one was an exception? Did He when they murmured what is He saying we must eat His flesh and drink His blood? And they went away offended.

Hitler threw Jews in a furnace ...did Hitler take it too literal.
Another member mentioned men trying to force him to stop being left-handed as a child...certain he would grow up to be one of those on the left hand. So decide are His words Spirit, are they Life? God is not the author of confusion...man is the author of confusion ...

you must eat His flesh and drink His blood...Literal or Spirit? Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.


As far it taking a literal seeing of a man with feet as if they were burned in a furnace...He said blessed are they who fear the Lord and depart from evil. Could say that is when the vail is removed and the body of sins is removed by Christ.
What does the Lords supper have to do with the book of Rev?

Also, being in the Spirit means being where God wanted John to be to show him something, not to imagine something
 

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What does the Lords supper have to do with the book of Rev?

what does the Lords supper have to do with the book of Rev? What does it NOT have to do with it ...being it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants (Revelation 1:1)
 

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what does the Lords supper have to do with the book of Rev? What does it NOT have to do with it ...being it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants (Revelation 1:1)
No, where do the saints in Revelation eat the Lord's supper as in 1 Cor 11?
 

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Both instances are at the beginning of the millennial reign.

Daniel 7 is not pre incarnate Jesus, it is a future prophecy
Error, compare the description.

and in Revelation chapter 5 the Lamb is Christ in his preincarnate state, "WITHOUT a Body, and on the throne the Lord Jesus with a body, in a Glorified state.

it's the same person Diversified.

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I also would like to put this to all the posters, is not he who sits in Daniel 7 is the one whom most call the Father? yes or no.

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No, where do the saints in Revelation eat the Lord's supper as in 1 Cor 11?


Luke 22:29-30 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; [30] That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Psalm 69:21-23 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink. [22] Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap. [23] Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.
 

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Luke 22:29-30 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; [30] That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Psalm 69:21-23 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink. [22] Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap. [23] Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.
This daily meal does not describe the Lord's supper.
 

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Error, compare the description.

and in Revelation chapter 5 the Lamb is Christ in his preincarnate state, "WITHOUT a Body, and on the throne the Lord Jesus with a body, in a Glorified state.

it's the same person Diversified.

PICJAG
Error.

Daniel 7 describes the return of Jesus at the Millennial.

This is when Jesus destroys the kingdoms of mankind(destroys the image).

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.....


26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
 

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Error.

Daniel 7 describes the return of Jesus at the Millennial.

This is when Jesus destroys the kingdoms of mankind(destroys the image).

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.....


26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
1st ERROR, the return in Daniel is his asenction from Earth in Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight". there is no other return.

#2. his Kingdom reign began on Pentecost.

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This daily meal does not describe the Lord's supper.

okay. But you’ll most likely laugh but I ask you to at least consider. His weapons are not carnal but Spiritual and mighty in pulling down strong holds. Luke 22:19-21 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. [21] But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

(Revelation 19:17-18)
 

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okay. But you’ll most likely laugh but I ask you to at least consider. His weapons are not carnal but Spiritual and mighty in pulling down strong holds. Luke 22:19-21 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. [21] But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

(Revelation 19:17-18)
The Lords supper is not the same as the Millennial meals we see as the disciples eat at the table during the reign of Jesus Christ.
There is no evidence of that.
Think of this, a sorrowful supper for the departing and missing Christ for now, but a new, glorious supper for the marriage in heaven and on earth?

Don’t you think it makes more sense?
 

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1st ERROR, the return in Daniel is his asenction from Earth in Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight". there is no other return.

#2. his Kingdom reign began on Pentecost.

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The millennial reign of Jesus Christ began at Pentecost?
 

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The millennial reign of Jesus Christ began at Pentecost?
LOL, NO, listen up 1Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
so he is reigning now as we speak, it's not untill all his enemies under his feet. supportive scripture,
Ps 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool".

that's what happening right now.

I see you didn't answer my Question. the Ancient of days in Daniel 7 who sits is this the Father yes or no?.

I'll be looking for that answer.

PICJAG.