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Jay Ross

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You cannot put new wine into old wine skins. That is what you are trying to do by saying the New Covenant is actually a continuation of the Mosaic covenant's Ten Commandments.

Go back and meditate on what I wrote about "kainos" and its variations. What you have presented as to what I am saying bears no resemblance to what I have posted.

Have you considered that even "new" wineskins will fail when you put freshly squeezed grape juice into them if they have sat on the shelf for a period of time before they are used.

Leather, if it is refurbished by the application of wax etc. are as good as freshly treated leather. Many years ago, I was required to "polish" my leather shoes to stop them from failing and splitting. I am sure my childhood memories comply with the need to use "refurbished" wineskins in the parable that you referenced above.

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I waited and waited but all anyone here seems to want to say about "Rahab" is that it was a woman? Maybe I missed it, but doesn't anyone know about the other Rahab?
No, i had to look it up, ...It seems that @CharismaticLady did a good job at getting it?

Job 9:13 God does not restrain his anger; even the cohorts of Rahab cowered at his feet.
Job 26:12 By his power he churned up the sea; by his wisdom he cut Rahab to pieces.
Psalms 87:4 "I will record Rahab and Babylon among those who acknowledge me- Philistia too, and Tyre, along with Cush - and will say, 'This one was born in Zion.'"
Psalms 89:10 You crushed Rahab like one of the slain; with your strong arm you scattered your enemies.
Isaiah 30:7 to Egypt, whose help is utterly useless. Therefore I call her Rahab the Do-Nothing.
Isaiah 51:9 Awake, awake! Clothe yourself with strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in days gone by, as in generations of old. Was it not you who cut Rahab to pieces, who pierced that monster through?
 

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I was going to say Acts 2, but then thought of Acts 8 and the inclusion of the Samaritans, and chapter 10 when the Gentiles were included.

What is interesting is that the Day of Pentecost was the anniversary of the giving of the Mosaic Covenant. So, yes, Acts 2 is the birthday.
Awesome.
Now , did you know that most Christians do not know the Church started in Acts 2?
 

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They probably thought it started on Christmas.
You may be right...LOL

I am amazed that even many seminary students and their teachers don't know the church started in Acts 2.

I ask that question alot.

You are one of the rare ones that knows the answer.

Bravo!
 

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The sign of circumcision was still present during the time of the Law, and became a law, itself. Abraham's covenant would not end until the Seed came. The Seed was Jesus, and He put an end to both the Abrahamic covenant and the Ten Commandment covenant.
‘And [Abraham] received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also’ Rom 4:11). First we should note that circumcision was not a seal of anything to anybody but Abraham, and even to him it was simply a confirmation of the blessings that had been already promised to him. It was a divine pledge to him that from him should come that Seed through Whom all nations should be blessed. It was not a seal of his faith, but of the righteousness that should, in due time, be wrought by Christ in Whom he had believed (cf. John 8:56).

What then did circumcision signify to Abraham’s physical male progeny and to his male servants? Well, firstly it had nothing to do with faith. It was a requirement for service in Abraham’s household. If you wanted to work for Mr Abraham, you had the snip. Indeed, nowhere in the entire Bible will you find physical circumcision connected with anybody’s faith but Abraham’s. In itself it signified precisely nothing. From the descendants of Abraham, the Messiah would be born, but it did not follow that any particular descendant should be an ancestor of Christ. Circumcision was a sign, not to Abraham’s physical seed, but to those ‘Israelites indeed’ (John 1:47) who were looking forward to Christ by faith, that the promises of God should eventually be fulfilled.

From my blog: The Covenants Part IV. The Abrahamic Covenant
 

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I waited and waited but all anyone here seems to want to say about "Rahab" is that it was a woman? Maybe I missed it, but doesn't anyone know about the other Rahab?
"There are two completely different names Rahab in the Old Testament that are both usually transliterated into the same name Rahab. We'll call them Rahab I (רחב) and Rahab II (רהב):"

wow who knew hmm
 
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Awesome.
Now , did you know that most Christians do not know the Church started in Acts 2?
Well, I'm not sure that it's pure ignorance that one would be unaware as of when, the Church started. For even now as I contemplate it, yes, Pentecost would be the most apparent response. But, the original promise was made to Abraham due to his faith, making him therefore, the father of faith, or inception of the Church of faith?
It can be argued, for is he not a saint, or not part of the Church? For he definitely wasn't under the Law, outside of circumcision?
 

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sounds vaguely fam, i remember being quite interested a year ago, prolly even made on thread or home page post about it. Which one and why?

I dunno. Never really cared. It likely represented some country or something. I was only auditing classes in those days, so wasn't concerned about getting a grade.
 
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I dunno. Never really cared. It likely represented some country or something. I was only auditing classes in those days, so wasn't concerned about getting a grade.
ah, so why the interest now? guess i could backtrack and see lol. anyway, kinda interesting imo
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The famous Rahab is really Rachab (with a ch as in Bach or Loch). This Rahab is a prostitute in Jericho. When Joshua sends two unnamed spies to Jericho to check out the town, their area of reconnaissance is confined mostly to the house of Rahab, who, we shall assume, also ran a youth hostel. When the townsfolk of Jericho pursue the men, Rahab hides them safely under flax on the roof. When Israel destroys the walls of Jericho, Rahab's house, now marked with a scarlet cord, remains intact and Rahab and her household are incorporated into Israel.

This Rahab is referred to in the New Testament by Paul (HEBREWS 11:31) and by James (2:25), and both call her Ρααβ, which shows that the Hebrew ch-sound became a guttural stop sound in Greek: Ra'ab. This Greek version of Rahab is also the one employed by the Septuagint's version of the book of Joshua. The Vulgate reads the Latinized Raab.

But the Rahab who Matthew famously mentions in the genealogy of Jesus, as the mother of Boaz of Bethlehem(MATTHEW 1:5) is spelled Ραχαβ: Rachab. Most commentators will report that the Rahab in Christ's family line is the converted Rahab the prostitute of Jericho, but that is by no means certain because Matthew uses the other version of the name Rahab (what we call Rahab II: רהב). In English these names sound the same but in Hebrew and Greek they're as different as Johnny and Ronnie.

And if Rahab of Jericho had married someone important, such as Salmon, the great-grandfather of king David(Ruth 4:20), we would have surely heard about it at some point in the fifteen hundred years or so between Rahab of Jericho and Matthew. In HEBREWS 11:31 Paul says that Rahab's faith kept her from perishing along with the rest of the disobedient townsfolk. If her survival would have given her the opportunity to become the ancestor of Jesus Christ, Paul would have likely made a note of that too. It seems that Matthew isn't talking about Rahab of Jericho but of an other, to us unknown Rahab..."

"
The lesser known Rahab, spelled רהב and indeed pronounced as Rahab, is a poetic nickname for Egypt, or rather the wisdom tradition of Egypt. It occurs in Psalm 87:4, 89:10, Isaiah 30:7, 51:9, Job 9:13 and 26:12. In the latter verses of Job and Isaiah, God cuts her to pieces and Isaiah equates her with the dragon (תנין, tanin) of old that was pierced.

The name רהב (Rahab the primeval serpent) comes from the verb רהב (rahab), meaning to behave proudly in the sense of arrogant:..."

The amazing name Rahab: meaning and etymology

ah, so
 

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ah, so why the interest now? guess i could backtrack and see lol. anyway, kinda interesting imo
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The famous Rahab is really Rachab (with a ch as in Bach or Loch). This Rahab is a prostitute in Jericho. When Joshua sends two unnamed spies to Jericho to check out the town, their area of reconnaissance is confined mostly to the house of Rahab, who, we shall assume, also ran a youth hostel. When the townsfolk of Jericho pursue the men, Rahab hides them safely under flax on the roof. When Israel destroys the walls of Jericho, Rahab's house, now marked with a scarlet cord, remains intact and Rahab and her household are incorporated into Israel.

This Rahab is referred to in the New Testament by Paul (HEBREWS 11:31) and by James (2:25), and both call her Ρααβ, which shows that the Hebrew ch-sound became a guttural stop sound in Greek: Ra'ab. This Greek version of Rahab is also the one employed by the Septuagint's version of the book of Joshua. The Vulgate reads the Latinized Raab.

But the Rahab who Matthew famously mentions in the genealogy of Jesus, as the mother of Boaz of Bethlehem(MATTHEW 1:5) is spelled Ραχαβ: Rachab. Most commentators will report that the Rahab in Christ's family line is the converted Rahab the prostitute of Jericho, but that is by no means certain because Matthew uses the other version of the name Rahab (what we call Rahab II: רהב). In English these names sound the same but in Hebrew and Greek they're as different as Johnny and Ronnie.

And if Rahab of Jericho had married someone important, such as Salmon, the great-grandfather of king David(Ruth 4:20), we would have surely heard about it at some point in the fifteen hundred years or so between Rahab of Jericho and Matthew. In HEBREWS 11:31 Paul says that Rahab's faith kept her from perishing along with the rest of the disobedient townsfolk. If her survival would have given her the opportunity to become the ancestor of Jesus Christ, Paul would have likely made a note of that too. It seems that Matthew isn't talking about Rahab of Jericho but of an other, to us unknown Rahab..."

"
The lesser known Rahab, spelled רהב and indeed pronounced as Rahab, is a poetic nickname for Egypt, or rather the wisdom tradition of Egypt. It occurs in Psalm 87:4, 89:10, Isaiah 30:7, 51:9, Job 9:13 and 26:12. In the latter verses of Job and Isaiah, God cuts her to pieces and Isaiah equates her with the dragon (תנין, tanin) of old that was pierced.

The name רהב (Rahab the primeval serpent) comes from the verb רהב (rahab), meaning to behave proudly in the sense of arrogant:..."

The amazing name Rahab: meaning and etymology

ah, so
Excellent assessment!
 

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First we should note that circumcision was not a seal of anything to anybody but Abraham

Circumcision was the SIGN of the covenant between God and Abraham, and had to do with the Seed that would come as the Messiah through him.

From the descendants of Abraham, the Messiah would be born, but it did not follow that any particular descendant should be an ancestor of Christ.

That's not true. It was specifically Isaac, and not Ishmael that would be the line to the Messiah.
 

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Yes. Much like the Catholic Church, the Church of Christ "KNOWS" they are the one and only, "original" church, begun in Acts 2.

Really, I thought SDAs were the only ones who thought that.

Well, I'm really saved. I was raised SDA for 23 years, then CoC for one year, then Foursquare where I was finally born again and filled with the Spirit.

Seeing as CoCs are Cessationists, I think they disqualified themselves. LOL
 
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Really, I thought SDAs were the only ones who thought that.

Well, I'm really saved. I was raised SDA for 23 years, then CoC for one year, then Foursquare where I was finally born again and filled with the Spirit.

Seeing as CoCs are Cessationists, I think they disqualified themselves. LOL
Oh boy Foursquare, I used to go to a Foursquare church, was even on staff....so glad I was delivered out of that.