Isn't that such good news!
It is also an oxymoron....if our position is secure, how can we lose it?
The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever
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It is also an oxymoron....if our position is secure, how can we lose it?
Technically, there are those who may have fed the homeless who will not enter into heaven because of it:
Mat 7:22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Because they were trusting in their works to save them, these unfortunate souls probably did many things that Jesus in the parable of the sheep and the goats said would get them into heaven. But because they did not have at the root of it, grace, they miss out on the eternal rewards: because Jesus never knew them. They sought to obtain salvation by works; and in doing so they expected that God owed them their salvation:
Rom 4:4, Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But the Lord will not owe any man any thing: He offers salvation to us as a free gift:
Rom 5:15, But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16, And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Rom 5:17, For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:18, Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom 5:19, For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
You seem to think that in order to be accepted as one who has the final authority on our interpretation of holy scripture, one must be recognized by the Catholic Church.
The Pharisees had the same attitude towards Jesus. They asked Him where He got His authority. He told them to answer one question: was the baptism of John from heaven or of men? The Pharisees knew that if they said, Of heaven, Jesus would say, why then did you not believe him? But if they said, of men, they feared the people; for all counted John as a true prophet. So they said, We don't know; and Jesus responded, neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
However, I can tell you by what authority I can preach the gospel to you as one who labours in the word and doctrine (and it is not by a human institution like the Catholic Church).
Jesus says to me:
Jhn 15:16, Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
He says also to me:
Jhn 15:20, Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
The Lord also says to me:
1Jo 4:5, They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6, We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
No only one
Nope only one
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
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WRONG.
Denial of the Trinity and Christ's deity is denial of Christ and the invention of a different god than the God of the Bible.
As for abortion - I'm not talking about women who have HAD abortions and repent of them. I'm talking about so-called "Chrtistian" churches that uphold abortion in cases of rape or incest.
Abortion is murder - and it's ALWAYS murder.
As for Baptism - Scripture teaches that we ARE regenerated by it (John 3:5. Acts 2:38. Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21).
"Churches" that say differently are in error . . .
You're not saved by works of your OWN - but by belief and obedience to the works that GOD prepared for you in advance.
Explain the Lesson of the Sheep and the Goats if this isn't true . . .
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Once again - you FAIL to understand the difference between my OWN works - and those that God prepared for me in advance.
They are ONLY efficacious when done for HIS glory.
Hope that finally sinks in . . .
The Pharisees weren't followers of CHRIST.
BIG difference.
Christ left His CHURCH in charge (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23) - not YOU or your flawed interpretations . . .
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Sooooo, Peter LIED when he called the followers of Christ "living stones" and a "holy priesthood" (1 Pet. 2:5)??
Is that what they teach you at "aggressivechristianity.net"??
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Investors lose they "security" every day by making bad decisions.
SAME goes for the sinner . . .
I agree with this concerning Christ's Deity...
However, there are those who accept Christ's Deity but deny the Trinity...and while they may indeed be wrong, their error does not place them outside of the body of Christ.
Already made a comment about this.
What you need to realize is that the parable of the sheep and the goats does not contradict the plain teaching of scripture that we are not saved by works (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-8, Titus 3:4-7, Romans 11:5-6 (kjv)).
Since faith is an obedient attitude...the works mentioned in Matthew 25:31-46 will be accomplished by those who truly have faith...but I will nevertheless hold to the doctrinally correct statement that they are not saved by those works but rather by the attitude that produces them. If someone has the kind of faith that produces these kinds of works; but dies two minutes after having obtained that faith: will they perish eternally in hell for the lack of the works actually being accomplished? They did no works but had a living and saving faith. Will they go to heaven or to hell in your estimation?
Works are never efficacious to save a man (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-8, Titus 3:4-7, Romans 11:5-6 (kjv)).
NO difference. Many priests in the Catholic Church have never been born again of the Holy Spirit and are not a part of Christ's true church.
I am of His church whether you like it or not...for I believe in Jesus Christ and have been redeemed by His blood and am also born again of His Holy Spirit.
(Any other definition for being in Christ's church strikes me as...superficial.)
Therefore He left me in charge...and you must adhere to my interpretation of the holy scriptures.
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See how upset you get when the lie is exposed and the truth put in front of you. Isnt Christ the truth and He sets men free, so why do you insist on keeping men from Christ.
What is going to be your excuse for separating men from God.
Gathering in His name does bring Him into our midst. Fellowship with Him is not the same as fellowship with our secular co-worker, is it? How do we grow closer to God?
Hello Helen, thank you for your welcome.
Re the verse you quoted, one must interpret it in light of other Scriptures. When that is done, it should be obvious that the verse should not be read literally. For example, the words "believe on the name of the Son of God" does not simply mean faith or trust - it means abiding in Christ, which requires faith and works - as James 2 says: ."a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" and "faith without works is dead". So James is clearly stating that works are necessary for justification and thus, salvation; and (b) FAITH ALONE is DEAD FAITH..
Works include repentance and keeping God's commandments - without these works it is impossible to abide in Christ (1John 2:3-4).
As for the words "he may know that have eternal life", this refers to the PROMISE of eternal life in Heaven for those who have abided in Christ during their earthly life and are thus granted salvation after being judged by Christ on the Last Day. So no one can literally "know" that are saved until after they die - this is why our salvation is described as a "hope" in more than fifteen verses in the NT.
The doctrine that says "once justified, always saved" is false and unscriptural - justification can be lost due to committing "deadly" sins or loss of faith - if justification is lost, so is salvation. There are probably millions of formerly-justified Christians in the world who are now unjustified atheists, for example.
A general rule of thumb is, any Scripture that appears to say we are saved NOW has not been interpreted correctly in light of the whole NT and therefore is not meant to be interpreted literally.
Your conversation with Helen....I will only butt in if I deem it necessary.
Ye interested to see where this one goes, that bit is showing already..
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Thanks.
Now I ‘have your number ‘
I can tell you , what you choose to believe is well represented on these boards.
So you will feel ‘at home’ quite quickly I am sure.
I totally agree that we must be ‘found abiding’ in Him ...and clothed In Christ .
Believing in Him through thick and thin of life is indeed work of faith.
And more needful yet as the days get darker .
For myself ... I do believe in the finished work of Christ , and ‘he that believes unto the end will be saved ‘. While we stand firm and run the race , I believe we can confidentiality say that our salvation is secure.
Bless you...and see you on the boards ....
This bit gets me, if we are in a race, someone must win and someone must loose. I liked it first year in school everyone was rewarded no matter how they performed.
You are right. He draws closer to us as we worship Him together. This draws us closer to God.
However, this is not the recipe to bring remission of sins.
Water baptism is exclusively for that.
The best way sinners could gather together to find God is like the 3000 did in Acts 2.... repenting and being baptized.
Then, with remission of sins, they can find eternal fellowship with God via the Holy Ghost.
No its not
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
your still living in the past and wont let it go. Why is it you continually lay a stumbling block before men. How long before you let Gods grace work in His children.
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