Is God Punishing me For Past Sins ???

charity said:

Hello @DoveSpirit05,

* Am I without blemish before God? Let's let the word of God give the answer to that:-

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
.. Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
.... (According as he hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
...... that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
.. according to the good pleasure of His will,
.... To the praise of the glory of His grace,
...... wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
.. the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;
.... Wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
...... Having made known unto us the mystery of His will,
........ according to his good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times
.. He might gather together in one all things in Christ,
.... both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:
...... In Whom also we have obtained an inheritance,
........ being predestinated according to the purpose of Him
.......... Who worketh all things after the counsel of His Own will:
That we should be to the praise of His glory,
.. who first trusted in Christ.'
(Ephesians 1:2-12)

Praise God!

* God has said it! Why should I doubt it?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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charity said:

'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
according to the good pleasure of His will,
To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in The Beloved.
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;
Wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Having made known unto us the mystery of His will,
according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ,
both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance,
being predestinated according to the purpose of Him Who worketh all things after the counsel of His Own will:
That we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ.'
(Ephesians 1:3-12)

Hello @DoveSpirit05,

I am sorry not to have answered before this, but my computer has been in for repair.

You ask me to explain the context of Ephesians relating to the words highlighted above, which I had quoted as a proof text to show that I was indeed, in God's sight, in Christ Jesus, Holy and without blame.

That is my standing before God, now, in Chris: quite regardless of my state; for the righteousness of God has been imputed to me by His wondrous grace, on the basis of the sacrificial work of Christ Jesus, His Beloved Son, now risen and glorified, in whom I have been 'accepted'.

Praise God!

I do not believe this context needs any explanation, it needs only to be believed and acknowledged (or recognised) as Divinely perceived fact.

Thank you,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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DoveSpirit05 said:

ohh!! but the demons believe and still tremble james 2:19

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Stranger said:

You must recognize in the book of (Job) who is doing the talking. In (Job 15) it is Eliphaz who is speaking to Job giving him his advice. But what did God say concerning the advice of Job's friends?

(Job 42:7) "And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Joab hath."

Stranger

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Pianoworldstage said:

Hi,

For some time now (many years) I've been in a bad place concerning spiritual pain, emptiness, darkness and destitution. I believe it's because of past sins, and that God is punishing me for it.. however these sins were from many years ago, and since then I've made a full confession and repentance of those sins to God through faith in Christ. But regardless of that confession and repentance, i still feel that God's hand is against me, as much as a curse.. for no matter how much i pray, everything remains the same.

But i find this very confusing, because Christ died and was punished in my place for all my sins, so why when having faith in Christ in full confession and repentance would God be punishing me, when Jesus has already paid the price for all sins..

I really feel as though God is speaking to me in these verses of Job, which makes me feel as though my days are to be shortened, is this the forgiveness and love of God?

JOB 15, from verse 20 to 35.

20 The wicked man writhes in pain all his days, through all the years that are laid up for the ruthless. 21 Dreadful sounds are in his ears; in prosperity the destroyer will come upon him. 22 He does not believe that he will return out of darkness, and he is marked for the sword. 23 He wanders abroad for bread, saying, ‘Where is it?’ He knows that a day of darkness is ready at his hand; 24 distress and anguish terrify him; they prevail against him, like a king ready for battle. 25 Because he has stretched out his hand against God and defies the Almighty, 26 running stubbornly against him with a thickly bossed shield; 27 because he has covered his face with his fat and gathered fat upon his waist 28 and has lived in desolate cities, in houses that none should inhabit, which were ready to become heaps of ruins; 29 he will not be rich, and his wealth will not endure, nor will his possessions spread over the earth; 30 he will not depart from darkness; the flame will dry up his shoots, and by the breath of his mouth he will depart. 31 Let him not trust in emptiness, deceiving himself, for emptiness will be his payment. 32 It will be paid in full before his time, and his branch will not be green. 33 He will shake off his unripe grape like the vine, and cast off his blossom like the olive tree. 34 For the company of the godless is barren, and fire consumes the tents of bribery. 35 They conceive trouble and give birth to evil, and their womb prepares deceit

JOB 16, from verse 6 to 22.

6 “If I speak, my pain is not assuaged, and if I forbear, how much of it leaves me? 7 Surely now God has worn me out; he has [1] made desolate all my company. 8 And he has shriveled me up, which is a witness against me, and my leanness has risen up against me; it testifies to my face. 9 He has torn me in his wrath and hated me; he has gnashed his teeth at me; my adversary sharpens his eyes against me. 10 Men have gaped at me with their mouth; they have struck me insolently on the cheek; they mass themselves together against me. 11 God gives me up to the ungodly and casts me into the hands of the wicked. 12 I was at ease, and he broke me apart; he seized me by the neck and dashed me to pieces; he set me up as his target; 13 his archers surround me. He slashes open my kidneys and does not spare; he pours out my gall on the ground. 14 He breaks me with breach upon breach; he runs upon me like a warrior. 15 I have sewed sackcloth upon my skin and have laid my strength in the dust. 16 My face is red with weeping, and on my eyelids is deep darkness, 17 although there is no violence in my hands, and my prayer is pure. 18 “O earth, cover not my blood, and let my cry find no resting place. 19 Even now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and he who testifies for me is on high. 20 My friends scorn me; my eye pours out tears to God, 21 that he would argue the case of a man with God, as [2] a son of man does with his neighbor. 22 For when a few years have come I shall go the way from which I shall not return.

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charity said:

'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
according to the good pleasure of His will,
To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in The Beloved.
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;
Wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Having made known unto us the mystery of His will,
according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ,
both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance,
being predestinated according to the purpose of Him Who worketh all things after the counsel of His Own will:
That we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ.'
(Ephesians 1:3-12)

Hello @DoveSpirit05,

I am sorry not to have answered before this, but my computer has been in for repair.

You ask me to explain the context of Ephesians relating to the words highlighted above, which I had quoted as a proof text to show that I was indeed, in God's sight, in Christ Jesus, Holy and without blame.

That is my standing before God, now, in Chris: quite regardless of my state; for the righteousness of God has been imputed to me by His wondrous grace, on the basis of the sacrificial work of Christ Jesus, His Beloved Son, now risen and glorified, in whom I have been 'accepted'.

Praise God!

I do not believe this context needs any explanation, it needs only to be believed and acknowledged (or recognised) as Divinely perceived fact.

Thank you,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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stunnedbygrace said:

This was my thought too. The friends didn't speak right about Job or about God.

Job didn't experience what he experienced as punishment for sins. His friends kept trying to convince him that was what was happening, but it wasnt.

God allows a mans trust to be tested to make the man wealthy, not to punish the man for sin.

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DoveSpirit05 said:

wat is ur hermeneutics?

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charity said:

'Thy words were found, and I did eat them;
And Thy Word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of my heart:
For I am called by Thy name, O Jehovah Elohim of hosts.'
(Jeremiah 15:16)

Oh My, @DoveSpirit05,

What are my hermeneutics? I don't think I've got any of those! That is not a question to be presented with when you have just finished your branflakes in the morning.

Seriously, in regard to interpretation and application, I allow the context and comparison of one scripture with another to determine my understanding of what I read: and the usage of words within scripture itself to determine their meaning, for although concordances and dictionaries have their place, they are still man's understanding. For the most part I take Scripture to mean what it says, and apply it as appropriate. Miles Coverdale, the first man to translate the complete Bible into English said:-

“It shall greatly help ye to understand the Scriptures if thou mark not only what is spoken or written, but of whom and to whom, with what words, at what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goeth before and what followeth after. ”

Though I am also what is termed an ultra-dispensationalist if that helps. Though I do not think of myself in that way. I am just a sinner saved by grace.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

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DoveSpirit05 said:

Are u being lead by the holy spirit though??

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Pianoworldstage said:

But i find this very confusing, because Christ died and was punished in my place for all my sins, so why when having faith in Christ in full confession and repentance would God be punishing me, when Jesus has already paid the price for all sins..

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Giuliano said:

I think you're learning that something you were taught isn't right. When we repent of sins, God wants us to try to fix things if we can. God wants all His children to live in peace and harmony. If I steal your car, God isn't going to forgive me if I want to keep it. Jesus isn't going to give you a car. Jesus is willing to help us in those things we can't help ourselves. He also removes the curse of death over us for those sins; but God still wants us to show we're really sorry by doing our best to repair whatever damage we have done to others. We should not say Jesus pays for everything, not when we can help pay ourselves.

Matthew 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

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charity said:

Hello @DoveSpirit05,

The word of God is the Holy Spirit's 'sword' (Ephesians 6:17). Therefore, whenever I open my Bible and prayerfully read it, I expect the Holy Spirit to take of the things of Christ and make them mine: for that is His purpose. He ministers to me, feeds me, encourages, strengthens and chastens me through His word.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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