genesis 4:14

Ezra · Jan 17, 2020

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. { who is everyone ? } up to this point there had only been 4 know there is 3 ..what sayest though

Stumpmaster · Jan 17, 2020

Ezra said:
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. { who is everyone ? } up to this point there had only been 4 know there is 3 ..what sayest thou(gh)

From the context we deduce there was a lot of fruitful multiplying by Adam and Eve and their offspring. We are not told the names of others apart from Cain, Abel, and Seth, but we do know that Adam begat many sons and daughters, not necessarily after Seth, particularly in the case of his daughters with whom his sons would have produced offspring. Cain was referring to future generations as much as his siblings and their many children, unidentified in the narrative at that point.

Gen 1:27-28
(27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
(28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 5:4
(4) And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Ezra · Jan 17, 2020

Stumpmaster said:
Cain was referring to future generations

this is direction i was leaning...towaRDS.. i had not read chapter 5.. i will be teaching chapter 4 sunday i sub for the reg teacher and i look for points of interest for discussion.

Stumpmaster · Jan 17, 2020

Ezra said:
this is direction i was leaning...towaRDS.. i had not read chapter 5.. i will be teaching chapter 4 sunday i sub for the reg teacher and i look for points of interest for discussion.

I hope it goes well with your teaching, Ezra.
I am reading through a very large book called "The New Complete Works of Josephus". Flavius Josephus was a 1st century Jew who was a diplomat, general and historian. With regard to Adam and Eve he says the number of their children, according to the old tradition, was thirty three sons and twenty three daughters.

Ezra · Jan 17, 2020

Stumpmaster said:
I hope it goes well with your teaching, Ezra.

thanks years ago i use to teach . dont do a lot any more since called to preach

DPMartin · Jan 18, 2020

Ezra said:
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. { who is everyone ? } up to this point there had only been 4 know there is 3 ..what sayest though

everyone whether it be at the time he said it or while he lived as mankind multiplied on the earth. what makes you think he didn't know this?

Ezra · Jan 18, 2020

DPMartin said:
everyone whether it be at the time he said it or while he lived as mankind multiplied on the earth. what makes you think he didn't know this?

do what?

Stan B · Jan 18, 2020

Ezra said:
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. { who is everyone ? } up to this point there had only been 4 know there is 3 ..what sayest though

Your assumption that there were only 4, is merely a presumption unsupported by Scripture. The fact that there were already cities in Cain's time, it is obvious that Adam had many daughters which are not mentioned in Scripture.

Adam's mandate was to populate the earth. How to do that is elementary. Just like any cattle farmer knows, that way to create a herd is to have lots of heifers, but he only needs one bull to fertilize them. So Adam had lots daughters, and his mandate, as the only bull on earth, was to keep them fertilized. His daughters had many sons and daughters for many generations, thus populating the earth.

Why were his daughters not mentioned? The first 12 chapters of Genesis covers a time period of 2500 years! So maybe the book doesn't tell us everything.

Ultimately, the Book of Genesis is the start of a book of genealogy which focuses on the genealogy of Adam to David, and David to the Messiah. Then the Bible has no further purpose and stops with the advent of the person who the Bible was all about.

Ezra · Jan 18, 2020

Stan B said:
Your assumption that there were only 4, is merely a presumption unsupported by Scripture.

i go by what scripture says since GEN is in the beginning that is what i go by

So maybe the book doesn't tell us everything.

i have no doubt i am well aware of how reproduction happens chapter 5 gives us a sneak peak of tim 800 years 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: backing up to chapter 2 : 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. there was no other humans that we know of . chapter 2 . we see God instituted Marriage man and wife
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

backing up to chapter 1 verse 28 the marching orders
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Be fruitful, and multiply )

chapter 4 thy figured out how they birds and the bees work lol

And Adam knew ( sexual relationship } Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

what is sad is soon the first murder took place. over jealousy which imo is a carryover from the fall in the garden . 3 sins took place which amounts to not listening to God the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life all from hath God said . he entertained the thought, by planting a seed of doubt. once again many things are hard to understand . but the fall still affects us today .the good news is found in john 3:16 and 2 cor 5:21 -> he became sin ( a sin offering ) who knew no sin Christ made a way for us to be free from fall in the garden . as paul harvey use to say and know you kno the rest of the story

Giuliano · Jan 18, 2020

Ezra said:
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. { who is everyone ? } up to this point there had only been 4 know there is 3 ..what sayest though

The word translated as "everyone" really means "every" or "all." It could include animals too. That may sound outlandish, but Revelation talks about animals killing people.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Base12 · Jan 18, 2020

Ezra said:
...every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Isn't it interesting that the KJV uses the phrase 'every one' as opposed to 'any one'?

In other words, the verse could be interpreted as... "Each time someone finds me, they will slay me".

Now at first, this may not make sense. How can Cain be slayed over and over again? Does Cain have the ability to come back to life again?

Yes...

Revelation 13:3
"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast"

The Mark of Cain is the same as the Mark of the Beast. The Mark was and will be a fleshly form of immortality. God gave Cain this as punishment... to experience being murdered over and over again. This is why we read...

Genesis 4:13
"And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear"

It was much more than just not being able to farm.

To further emphasize that the Mark was a form of fleshly immortality, we find this seemingly contradictory verse...

Genesis 4:15
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him"

So which is it?

God set a Mark upon Cain so he can't be killed?

or...

Whoever slays Cain will have vengeance sevenfold?

When we understand that the Mark of Cain is the same as the Mark of the Beast, we realize that both statements are True.

Notice the use of the word 'Slayeth' as opposed to 'Kill' in the same verse? Cain will be 'slayed' many times, but will never be 'killed'.

Does this sound crazy?

Let's keep reading...

Jude 1:11
"Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core"

So what exactly is 'The way of Cain"?

This...

Jude 1:6
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day"

And this...

Jude 1:7
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire"

The phrase "in like manner" means the same thing was happening at Sodom and Gomorrha. Angels were leaving their first estate. Sons of God and Daughters of Men creating Hybrid Humans.

^^^
THAT IS THE MARK!

And it's coming soon...

Daniel 2:43
"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay"

There is a reason the Freemasons use the code "Two Ball Cane". They seek the Seed of Cain to gain Power by resurrecting him once again like a Beast rising out of the Sea.

Note that Tubal-cain was the Eighth and is 'of the seven'.

Anyhow, I will leave you all with this...

Revelation 13:17
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name"

The name 'Cain' means 'To buy and sell'.

Base12 · Jan 18, 2020

Base12 said:
Note that Tubal-cain was the Eighth and is 'of the seven'.

Eighth Generation that is...

Jude 1:14
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints"

Thus, Tubal-Cain was the Eighth and was 'of the seven'...

Revelation 17:11
"And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition"

There are many links between the Beast and the name Cain.

101G · Jan 18, 2020

Ezra said:
this is direction i was leaning...towaRDS.. i had not read chapter 5.. i will be teaching chapter 4 sunday i sub for the reg teacher and i look for points of interest for discussion.

Well, what I will give you, you may not accept. but it's bible based. and I'm sure you nor any of your students have heard of this.

maybe you might want to explore this after your sunday teaching.

so I'l be to the point, Adam and Eve had children inside the Garden before they had Cain and Abel out side the Garden. this is supportive of the following scripture, Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee".
well you cannot "increase" something unless it has already happen. other words. if I was sitting in a car, (zero speed) it's a scientific fact, one cannot "increase" your speed unless you're already in motion. so Eve already had conception, meaning pregnancy. which means she already had children.... inside the Gardwn. for the Hebrew word for conception is,
H2032 הֵרוֹן herown (hay-rone') n-m.
הֵרָיוֹן herayown (hay-raw-yone')
pregnancy.
[from H2029]
KJV: conception.

yes, pregnancy, knowing this, it explain who these other people are. and it also explain who the sons of God are in chapter 6.

now another verse that shows Eve had children in the Garden. Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living." was here is a past tense desigination. no one call a woman "mother" unless she have children that is alive. and the one's she had inside the Garden was alive Spiritually and physically. by being Spiritually alive to God, hence the title "Sons" of God.

so right there in Genesis the bible tells us who these other people are. I know this want make it into your sunday teaching, but maybe something to look at later.

PICJAG.

Ezra · Jan 19, 2020

Base12 said:
There is a reason the Freemasons use the code "Two Ball Cane". They seek the Seed of Cain to gain Power by resurrecting him once again like a Beast rising out of the Sea.

Note that Tubal-cain was the Eighth and is 'of the seven'.

Anyhow, I will leave you all with this...

Revelation 13:17
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name"

The name 'Cain' means 'To buy and sell'.

i think in some ways your adding to the story we dont know what the mark was on cain .

fellow · Jan 19, 2020

Stan B said:
Your assumption that there were only 4, is merely a presumption unsupported by Scripture. The fact that there were already cities in Cain's time, it is obvious that Adam had many daughters which are not mentioned in Scripture.

Adam's mandate was to populate the earth. How to do that is elementary. Just like any cattle farmer knows, that way to create a herd is to have lots of heifers, but he only needs one bull to fertilize them. So Adam had lots daughters, and his mandate, as the only bull on earth, was to keep them fertilized. His daughters had many sons and daughters for many generations, thus populating the earth.

Why were his daughters not mentioned? Theo first 12 chapters of Genesis covers a time period of 2500 years! So maybe the book doesn't tell us everything.

Ultimately, the Book of Genesis is the start of a book of genealogy which focuses on the genealogy of Adam to David, and David to the Messiah. Then the Bible has no further purpose and stops with the advent of the person who the Bible was all about.

Your assumption could also be wrong.

fellow · Jan 19, 2020

Stan B said:
Why were his daughters not mentioned? The first 12 chapters of Genesis covers a time period of 2500 years! So maybe the book doesn't tell us everything.

Do you think that maybe the first chapter covers more than six days?

Stan B · Jan 19, 2020

fellow said:
Do you think that maybe the first chapter covers more than six days?

Eons, perhaps billions of years just between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 alone.

Stan B · Jan 19, 2020

fellow said:
Your assumption could also be wrong.

Maybe, but it is the only logical assumption, and no one has come up with a better one.

Jay Ross · Jan 19, 2020

Stan B said the following in post #8 of this thread: -

Stan B said:
The first 12 chapters of Genesis covers a time period of 2500 years! So maybe the book doesn't tell us everything.

Sorry, Stan, but, by my chronological study of the Old Testament, my understanding is that the first twelve chapter only covers around, 2024-2025 years, as Abraham left Haran around the year 2024 After Adam's creation, (AA), and Abraham and Lot spilt fairly quickly, probably within one year of them leaving Haran, which is recorded in Genesis 13.

The book of Genesis covers a time period of around 2294 years and ends with the death of Joseph with the last verse in Genesis telling us the following: -

Genesis 50:26: - 26 So Joseph died, being one hundred and ten years old; and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.

We are informed that Joseph died when he was 110 years old.

Now the first chapter of Exodus spans a period of around 295 years with the birth of Moses being introduced in Ex 2:2 around the year 2589 AA.

Now, I am curious as to how you come to your understanding that the first 12 chapters of Genesis covers a time period of 2500 years?

Shalom

Base12 · Jan 19, 2020

Stan B said:
Maybe, but it is the only logical assumption, and no one has come up with a better one.

I accept the challenge.

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