Davy
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Right, we will go back and forth and disagree as long as you keep adding those "Spiritually" connotations to His literal River that flowed out of His Garden of Eden, which is coming back to this earth in the future.
Revelation 11-the measure of the temple
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Right, we will go back and forth and disagree as long as you keep adding those "Spiritually" connotations to His literal River that flowed out of His Garden of Eden, which is coming back to this earth in the future.
Davy
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That our Lord Jesus was using that water above with referring to The Spirit giving eternal life through faith on Him isn't the same idea as God's literal River that flowed out of His Garden of Eden and fed four other rivers upon the earth, of which two of those rivers still exist on earth today (Euphrates and Tigris).
Gen 2:10-14
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
KJV
"Hiddekel" is another name for the Tigris river.
I don't believe in some fairytale fib about God's future salvation being a floating upon clouds with no substance. To dismiss God's River as some 'spiritual' idea without literal substance on earth is to go outside God's Word and make up a cult.
Davy
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The particular temple shown John in Revelation 11 certainly is NOT... the Ephesians 2 temple idea. Same with the "temple of God" Apostle Paul referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, it isn't a spiritual temple either, but a literal rebuilt temple in Jerusalem for the end of this world. It is impossible for the Antichrist to sit in the true spiritual temple of Christ, simply because our Lord Jesus is The Cornerstone of the spiritual temple, and no man can corrupt it. The idea of the "man of sin" coming to claim himself as God with the temple of God in 2 Thess.2 is about a literal standing Jewish temple rebuilt in Jerusalem for the end of this world. It is required in order to fulfill the Daniel 9 final "one week" and Daniel 11 abomination prophecy of the "abomination of desolation" (also foretold by Lord Jesus in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 when He quoted about it from the Book of Daniel).
So it seems you are only regurgitating a doctrine from some hireling that has strayed from God's Word.
Year after year giving true doctrine and there is none that can receive it, and all fight against it openly. What a nasty generation!
VictoryinJesus
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Davy, God IS Spirit. Which has more substance the fruit of the Spirit, or an apple?
You do have a low opinion of me, this much I do get. As far as all the references to fluffy clouds and my floating somewhere. I’m not staring up waiting for Jesus to float in on a literal cloud.
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1 Corinthians 15:45-48 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. [46] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. (The Living water He spoke of from above)[48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
Revelation 22:13-14 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. [14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
“...and may enter in through the gates of the city.”
may enter in through the gates of the city of that which was first and natural to eat of the tree of Life?
Or may enter in through the gates of the City of God, New Jerusalem which is Free, to eat of THE tree of Life and the fruits of righteousness(by Christ), of that which is afterward and in the midst of paradise.
101G
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KNOCK you down? you're doing a good job of it yourself.
so we can take this as you have nothing constructive to say?
now you said this,"before you get over heated in the excitement of your self importance?". your self importance?
are you taking this personally? just because you didn't know that it was a second resurrection, are you upset that you didn't know this? ... oh well. being in ERROR is not the end of the world. we all been in error before. better to know now that at the end.
well look, if this discussion is getting to you personally, it's best we end it now.
so Good day.
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101G
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not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this, but first read Ezekiel 46 first, ok.
Ezekiel 47:1 "Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
Ezekiel 47:2 "Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
Ezekiel 47:3 "And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
Ezekiel 47:4 "Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
Ezekiel 47:5 "Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
Ezekiel 47:6 "And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
Ezekiel 47:7 "Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
Ezekiel 47:8 "Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
Ezekiel 47:9 "And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.(Read, Matthew 13:47 - 49) in combination with the next two verses below
Ezekiel 47:10 "And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many". (Read, Matthew 13:47)
Ezekiel 47:11 "But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. (Read, Matthew 13:48)
Ezekiel 47:12 "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
now compare this with the river in Revelation. but read Ezekiel chapter 46 first
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VictoryinJesus
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Trees for meat, whose leaves shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed...the fruit thereof shall be meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
^ wonderful promise.
because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary... stands out too. John 7:38-39 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. [39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given ; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
101G
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yes, just a fruit of someone's lips can make someone else day. just a kind compliment could change a person whole demenor. I have seen this. someone comes in cranky to work, and another co-worker says something to brighten up the person day. understand "WORDS" have power. example in scripture, Proverbs 18:21 "Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof".
cannot get anymore define than "LIFE" or "DEATH".
there is that fruit again, just think about what happen in the Garden....... Life and Death was in the FRUIT/WORDS. hope one understands.
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Earburner
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I am not at all upset! I am just not appreciative of the way you write. You do tend to throw in emotionalized comments that can be recieved as derogatory.
Moving forward, I am going to start a new thread titled: "The Rest of the Dead". I will start it off by answering the responses that you already forwarded to me.
Please know that my perspective is "Amillennial" and no longer "Premillennial", of which shall either move you to agree, or push us both towards more disagreement.
Its not my intention that you arrive in the latter, so please, lets respect each others perspective.
Thanks, Earburner
101G
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SAY WHAT! you're not appreciative of the way I write? my bad then, I'll try writing in Japanese then.
your opinion?
that your belief, and choice, either one, not mind. jumping from the pot into the frying pan is your choice.
what I arrive at is no one concern but God's as with you, and everyone else. I have no heaven or a hell to put anyone in. now as far as respect goes, me no, but honor yes.
so with that I will honor your choice, but I will not respond to your subject, why? as you said, "respect your perspective", in honor of your choice, in which I disagree. so I will not response.
but hope your topic do well.
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1 Peter 3:8-10 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: [9] Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. [10] For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
1 Peter 2:21-23 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: [22] Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: [23] Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
Revelation 14:4-5 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. [5] And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Romans 3:13-16 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: [14] Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: [15] Their feet are swift to shed blood: [16] Destruction and misery are in their ways:
James 3:7-8 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: [8] But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
101G
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BINGO.
Hebrews 13:15 "By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
you're on point
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Davy
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And year after year, the Leftist Socialists try to supplant God's Holy Writ with their 'own' false truths. It's time to pick sides, stay in God's Word, not 'their' word.
Davy
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I don't have a low opinion of anyone. It's really impossible to do that when realizing that one is just deceived because of listening to men's doctrines instead of God's Word.
You're not going to help your argument against God's River in His Eden being a literal River that flowed on earth at one time, and fed four other literal... rivers upon this earth. Nothing you've said so far has helped your fake argument against that. So attempts now to try and change the subject is like you're backing up, seeking an escape route. Well, there is no escape route for 'new ager' doctrines that try to nullify God's Word.
Davy
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Still trying to convert Scripture in God's Word to your 'new age' doctrines I see.
There is only two kinds of people: those with the spirit of God and those with the spirit of man.
Davy
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I see you're going to try and use this argument: since Ezekiel 46 is about sacrifices, then those Ezekiel chapters can't be about the future world to come under Christ Jesus. Fact is, and we both know it, our Lord Jesus became the one perfect sacrifice for sin, for one and all time. But there's a problem, Ezekiel was given those future millennial descriptions in a time when the old covenant and sacrifices were still in effect. It would be giving it away if no more sacrifices were mentioned with a temple, but our love as sacrifice to God instead like Apostle Paul taught. So one must take that into consideration, because there are more detail factors given in those nine chapters that far out way confusion by those who read that Ezekiel 46 chapter.
Fact is, that temple layout on earth has never... been built to this day. The judgments involved in Ezekiel 44 haven't yet happened either. And that River with the many trees has never manifested in that area of the holy land during this world either. Thus it is unmistakably a prophecy for the future. And since the Ezekiel 38 & 39 chapters spotlight the very end of this world with the Armageddon events, we know that leads into Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. Not only that, but the Ezekiel 47 & 48 chapters cover the specific locations of the restoration of the 12 tribes of Israel, and an emphasized statement of the new name for the holy city, i.e., "The LORD is there", which is direct pointer to the end chapters of Revelation, with the full Godhead having returned to earth.
Ezek 48:35
35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, 'The LORD is there.'
KJV
Davy
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And there are those who try and preach God's Word for 'hire', which Jesus called a "hireling" (John 10), which those are not interested in the Truth, but preach their own word for a business because God did not call them; He did not give them His Word. No one will understand God's Word without His Blessing by The Holy Spirit. This is why there is so much confusion in the pulpits today, because many don't really understand God's Word because they weren't really called. Such are those who supplant with 'new age' doctrines. The old preacher Schuller in California at the so-called Crystal Palace was a specific example of that new age doctrine mixed with Christian doctrine. No mystery, because the early Gnostics in the 2nd century A.D. tried to do the same thing.
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