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ScottA

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We are to rightly divide the Word of Truth, which means we are to know when a number is to be taken literally, and when it is to be taken metaphorically. The sequence of events in Revelation 20 compels us to take 1,000 years literally.

REVELATION 20

THERE IS A LITERAL BOTTOMLESS PIT
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

SATAN IS BOUND AND CONFINED FOR 1000 YEARS
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

SATAN WILL NOT DECEIVE MEN FOR 1000 YEARS
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

CHRIST AND THE SAINTS WILL REIGN FOR 1000 YEARS
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

THE UNSAVED DEAD WILL BE RAISED AFTER 1000 YEARS
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

THE SAINTS WILL CERTAINLY REIGN FOR 1000 YEARS
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

SATAN WILL BE LOOSED AFTER 1000 YEARS
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

THE BATTLE OF GOG AND MAGOG WILL FOLLOW
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
You are missing the point.
  1. Which of those passages speaks of the truth with God?
  2. Now...how many "thousand years" actually (literally) exist within the kingdom of God?
...If you are still thinking a thousand years with God is as it is with men...you are not at all "rightly dividing the word of truth."
 

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The words I have made red in your quoted post below are in error:

First in [red]: A thousand years with men is not what it is with the God. The term is rather a figure of speech translating the timeless things of God into terms that men can relate to, but spiritually means "forever."
Second: The kingdom of God had not come upon the earth until Christ came in the flesh.
Third: We the church are not the rest of the dead, but are "those who are alive and remain", those who have [already] "passed from death to life."
Fourth: It is not just now or even in the 1800s that the falling away has occurred, but since the fall of all mankind. It is rather in that timelessness of God, that all men fell in one man, and also raised in One man...even before the foundation of the world, that is before time. Thus, making true "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." All in the One begotten Son.
1. Yes, with God there is no such thing as time.
He only relates to it in the events men.
As for the Age of His Grace, for reasons 2 Peter 3:9, the Age of His Grace would go on "forever" , unfortunately for Him and His Love for us, it will come to an end, because men on the earth will lose simple faith, and shall "fall away"- 2 Thessalonians 2:3. In that moment of His decision, the Father will send His Son on His return trip from Heaven, to redeem us all, who are faith in Jesus!

2. When Jesus spoke to the Jews (the nation of Israel), He told them that the KoG was to be taken from them and given to another nation! Born Again Christians ARE THAT nation, which is holy. 1 Peter 2:9
Israel had literal physical boundaries, BACs do not.
The Lord Himself dealt with Israel directly, through the Prophets, and no one else. They were in prototype, the KoG on earth.
The next KoG on earth will be in the NEW Heavens and the NEW earth.
Anything wanting to be something else now, or in the future of this OLD earth, is a sham!!
3. I agree that we who are faith in this flesh, are spiritually risen with Christ, but until we are bodily resurrected, that will be the ONLY time that we will
"LIve again", being that of in the NEW heaven and NEW earth. I trust that you ARE looking for and HASTING unto it!!
4. I hear what you are saying, but we must line up with the prophecy of that scripture:
 

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^ cont'd- 2 Thes. 2[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
 

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You are missing the point.
  1. Which of those passages speaks of the truth with God?
  2. Now...how many "thousand years" actually (literally) exist within the kingdom of God?
...If you are still thinking a thousand years with God is as it is with men...you are not at all "rightly dividing the word of truth."
Hellooo, "a thousand years" is symbolic of a very long period of time, that has no designated time of an end, but rather a circumstance/situation.
See if you can find what that situation is in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, that causes God the Father end His Age of Grace!
 

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1. Yes, with God there is no such thing as time.
He only relates to it in the events men.
As for the Age of His Grace, for reasons 2 Peter 3:9, the Age of His Grace would go on "forever" , unfortunately for Him and His Love for us, it will come to an end, because men on the earth will lose simple faith, and shall "fall away"- 2 Thessalonians 2:3. In that moment of His decision, the Father will send His Son on His return trip from Heaven, to redeem us all, who are faith in Jesus!

2. When Jesus spoke to the Jews (the nation of Israel), He told them that the KoG was to be taken from them and given to another nation! Born Again Christians ARE THAT nation, which is holy. 1 Peter 2:9
Israel had literal physical boundaries, BACs do not.
The Lord Himself dealt with Israel directly, through the Prophets, and no one else. They were in prototype, the KoG on earth.
The next KoG on earth will be in the NEW Heavens and the NEW earth.
Anything wanting to be something else now, or in the future of this OLD earth, is a sham!!
3. I agree that we who are faith in this flesh, are spiritually risen with Christ, but until we are bodily resurrected, that will be the ONLY time that we will
"LIve again", being that of in the NEW heaven and NEW earth. I trust that you ARE looking for and HASTING unto it!!
4. I hear what you are saying, but we must line up with the prophecy of that scripture:
1. You are disregarding the fact that the falling away began with Adam. Thus, Paul was referring not to some future falling away, but [the] falling away.

2. Jesus told Israel that the kingdom of God had just then at hand...not for all of Israel's history.

3. You are omitting all of the explanations regarding there being a natural body and a spiritual body, and applying what pertains to the spiritual to the natural. It just is not so. The flesh returns to the dust.

4. There is no timeline with God, and the timeline you refer to, is rather a story line, a revelation of stories told to men by the godly media of time, where there is no time except within the story. By prophecies God does not what will be, but rather what is and was, since before the foundation of the world (before time).
 

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ScottA, am i understanding you correctly? Are you agreeing with me about "a thousand years" as being symbolic, or do you think it to be literal
 

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Hellooo, "a thousand years" is symbolic of a very long period of time, that has no designated time of an end, but rather a circumstance/situation.
See if you can find what that situation is in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, that causes God the Father end His Age of Grace!
The things of God are not for "a thousand years" or "a very long period of time"...they are forever. He spoke of forever...

As Peter recognized, "You have the words of eternal life."
 
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ScottA, am i understanding you correctly? Are you agreeing with me about "a thousand years" as being symbolic, or do you think it to be literal
Not literal. But I am not sure what you mean by "symbolic."
 

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1. You are disregarding the fact that the falling away began with Adam. Thus, Paul was referring not to some future falling away, but [the] falling away.

2. Jesus told Israel that the kingdom of God had just then at hand...not for all of Israel's history.

3. You are omitting all of the explanations regarding there being a natural body and a spiritual body, and applying what pertains to the spiritual to the natural. It just is not so. The flesh returns to the dust.

4. There is no timeline with God, and the timeline you refer to, is rather a story line, a revelation of stories told to men by the godly media of time, where there is no time except within the story. By prophecies God does not what will be, but rather what is and was, since before the foundation of the world (before time).
1. I am not disregarding it, it simply has no bearing on 2 Thessalonians 2:3, in regards to that period of "a falling away", which WILL CAUSE the Father to send His Son (second coming) to physically resurrect us and redeem us into His Glory.
Read the verse again, and you will see it. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV
To paraphrase:
The Day of Christ's Glorious return shall NOT take place, EXCEPT there be a falling away from faith first.
That is meaning corporately!
2. I am not clear of what you mean to reference, but if you are meaning "God WITH Israel" came to an END upon Jesus' words, they surely did, by the evidence of the Romans in 70AD.
3. Except a man be born again of/by the Holy Spirit, they cannot see (percieve) the KoG, nor can they enter INTO it. John 3:3-8. One can go to church their whole life, and NOT BE IN the KoG!!
4. Thats what prophecy is! God knows beforehand of what is going to take place in the kingdoms of men, as well as His own. Therefore He tells His people before hand. The book of Daniel, for the Jews, was/is a clear example of His foreknowledge being manifested through Daniel, as well the interpretations given by the angel Gabriel.
 

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Absoutely not! First one has to understand is from what nation is satan is "bound" from decieving.
Here are two KJV scriptural truths to think on:
1 Peter 2:9
Matthew 24:24

If Satan is bound, it was from deceiving anybody. What nation is Satan not receiving now?
 
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Not literal. But I am not sure what you mean by "symbolic."
To symbolize something, is meaning to use something else to describe that something, that is real.
The words "with the Lord, a thousand years is as one day, and a day is a thousand years" is directly connected to the following verse, describing God's longsuffering, concerning all people in regards to come to repentance towards Him, in that He is willing (desires) that NO MAN should perish.
In the following, which describes better, of what 2 Peter 3:8-9 is saying?
Would you call that "The Age of His Grace" or shall you call it an unknown futuristic time called "The Millennium"?
IOWS, what event, by God, has already endured a great length of time, that could go on forever, but shall come to an end, because men will eventually arrive to a point of having no faith in God?

Would that be the 1000 year Millennium, or would it be God's Grace? Which event is forever, for the repentant sinner?
I think that you know!
 

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1. I am not disregarding it, it simply has no bearing on 2 Thessalonians 2:3, in regards to that period of "a falling away", which WILL CAUSE the Father to send His Son (second coming) to physically resurrect us and redeem us into His Glory.
Read the verse again, and you will see it. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV
To paraphrase:
The Day of Christ's Glorious return shall NOT take place, EXCEPT there be a falling away from faith first.
That is meaning corporately!
These are pillars of error...so, one at a time.

I said you are "disregarding" the fact that the falling away began with Adam, but now you are simply omitting it.

The passage stands on its own, and is not limited to only those past your perceived time of falling away, but includes all; for "by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one." Romans 5:17

...Which then makes void your whole premise even regarding the second coming of Christ. Thus, having been slain even before the foundation of the world, the Father did not send the Son by some perceived falling away after the first coming of Christ, but rather even before the coming of Adam.

Paul's reference to the falling away in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 then, was simply to assure the Thessalonians that none had missed Christ's return, but that all would see Him, even "every eye", for he spoke of all who are born under the falling away of the one man Adam, of which he also made clear in Romans 5:17.
 

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To symbolize something, is meaning to use something else to describe that something, that is real.
The words "with the Lord, a thousand years is as one day, and a day is a thousand years" is directly connected to the following verse, describing God's longsuffering, concerning all people in regards to come to repentance towards Him, in that He is willing (desires) that NO MAN should perish.
In the following, which describes better, of what 2 Peter 3:8-9 is saying?
Would you call that "The Age of His Grace" or shall you call it an unknown futuristic time called "The Millennium"?
IOWS, what event, by God, has already endured a great length of time, that could go on forever, but shall come to an end, because men will eventually arrive to a point of having no faith in God?

Would that be the 1000 year Millennium, or would it be God's Grace? Which event is forever, for the repentant sinner?
I think that you know!
That is pure conjecture. Peter clearly states that the scope of the promise of God includes everything from the times of the prophets of old, until their fulfillment.

As for whether a thousand years or God's grace is forever, it is God who is forever. And if you want to say it is Grace, say it. But you should add so much more also, such as justice, love, and righteousness, etc., etc..
 

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If Satan is bound, it was from deceiving anybody. What nation is Satan not receiving now?
What nation is satan decieving now?
He is decieving all of the worldly nations, and HAS BEEN!
The ONLY nation that satan was "bound" from decieving is the "holy nation" of Born Again Christians, (the saved out of the nations) of which "ye are"-
"But ye are a elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for [God's] own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Be sure to see also: Matthew 21:43 and Matthew 24:24, with Mark 13:22.
 

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What nation is satan decieving now?
He is decieving all of the worldly nations, and HAS BEEN!
The ONLY nation that satan was "bound" from decieving is the "holy nation" of Born Again Christians, (the saved out of the nations) of which "ye are"-
"But ye are a elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for [God's] own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Be sure to see also: Matthew 21:43 and Matthew 24:24, with Mark 13:22.

Question: I have heard that Catholics are amillenniumists. What other denominations are of that belief. Also, are you also a preterist or partial preterist? Or are these individual preferences, not denominational at all?
 

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^ And so I see and believe that satan was loosed from his being bound from attempting to decieve God's holy nation of BACs since the 1800s, when marvelous technological wonders began to be invented, and it was the time when false prophets and false teachers arose on a global scale, and started numerous churches that deviated from "the common faith". Today, because of TV/internet etc., its now "open season" on all who are of that "holy nation".
The following scripture verifies satan as being loosed already: 2 Thes. 2[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
Note: I realize that some here will want to promote the theory of a "secret rapture", but that is not the case at all.
The Holy Spirit was sent into the world, to "reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment." John 16:8. But He can only work with those who are willing to "believe that God is".
IOWS, more and more people ARE FALLING AWAY.

If one would be honest with themselves, the world is more believing in Evolutionism than Creationism, thus becoming more and more "of that spirit of antichrist" each day forward.
 
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Question: I have heard that Catholics are amillenniumists. What other denominations are of that belief. Also, are you also a preterist or partial preterist? Or are these individual preferences, not denominational at all?
I am not talking about Catholics or any other specific denomination!
I am saying that ALL Born Again Christians, in all the churches, are that invisible "holy nation", who bear no man made organizational name, though they attend them.
 

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I am not talking about Catholics or any other specific denomination!
I am saying that ALL Born Again Christians, in all the churches, are that invisible "holy nation", who bear no man made organizational name, though they attend them.

I'm not asking about that, I'm asking you about amillennials and preterists. You say you are amillennial. I am not. And neither am I preterist. I'm asking are you?
 

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These are pillars of error...so, one at a time.

I said you are "disregarding" the fact that the falling away began with Adam, but now you are simply omitting it.

The passage stands on its own, and is not limited to only those past your perceived time of falling away, but includes all; for "by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one." Romans 5:17

...Which then makes void your whole premise even regarding the second coming of Christ. Thus, having been slain even before the foundation of the world, the Father did not send the Son by some perceived falling away after the first coming of Christ, but rather even before the coming of Adam.

Paul's reference to the falling away in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 then, was simply to assure the Thessalonians that none had missed Christ's return, but that all would see Him, even "every eye", for he spoke of all who are born under the falling away of the one man Adam, of which he also made clear in Romans 5:17.
What i am saying is FAR from pillars of error.
So please get in line and speak on the scriptures i post, proving what i say!
Conjecture? Where? If anything is conjecture, its your continual misunderstanding and misapplication of the time Adam fell. We get it!!
We inherited death! OK, now move on over to 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and speak from that! What will people be "falling away" from?
You do know what it is, and has nothing to do with Adam and his fall.