Revelation 11-the measure of the temple

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And there are those who try and preach God's Word for 'hire', which Jesus called a "hireling" (John 10), which those are not interested in the Truth, but preach their own word for a business because God did not call them; He did not give them His Word. No one will understand God's Word without His Blessing by The Holy Spirit. This is why there is so much confusion in the pulpits today, because many don't really understand God's Word because they weren't really called. Such are those who supplant with 'new age' doctrines. The old preacher Schuller in California at the so-called Crystal Palace was a specific example of that new age doctrine mixed with Christian doctrine. No mystery, because the early Gnostics in the 2nd century A.D. tried to do the same thing.
This generation preaching Christ do not understand God's word because they don't have the Holy Spirit to understand spiritual things. The falling away happened long ago my friend.
 

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And since the Ezekiel 38 & 39 chapters spotlight the very end of this world with the Armageddon events, we know that leads into Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. Not only that, but the Ezekiel 47 & 48 chapters cover the specific locations of the restoration of the 12 tribes of Israel, and an emphasized statement of the new name for the holy city, i.e., "The LORD is there", which is direct pointer to the end chapters of Revelation, with the full Godhead having returned to earth.
you're getting ahead of yourself.
A. I was speaking of the "inheritance" in chapter 46

B. you're saying that Armageddon happens before the Millennial?

C. correct me if I'm in error, but do not the reviving of the remnant of Israel occure in the church age, as with other saints, before the Millennial? and the restoration of both Jews and Gentiles who are in apostasy are dealt with during the millennium.

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Still trying to convert Scripture in God's Word to your 'new age' doctrines I see.

curious exactly what you mean by “new age”. Torn there because are we not to speak of a new age? Hebrews 6:4-5 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world (age)to come,

but do you mean “new age” as in not waiting for the Lord? We started going to a bible study and maybe it is what you consider new age...as in (the message being)we possess it all now and make it manifest as so. There was an older man so frustrated because his back is so broken down he can barely sit upright but is being convinced he can speak to the pain and force it to leave. He comes every time so frustrated beating himself down because he is not seeing the pain gone, manifested as he is being told it should. Oddly, one of the reasons I’ve responded so much to your post on the fruit of the tree of Life is because they also were discussing which fruits we all thought would be growing on it...apples, oranges...saying obviously there are trees there that have fruit.

do think we wait upon the Lord, Davy. It not yet being seen but instead “as poor” “as having nothing”. 2 Corinthians 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

i’m not against you. Just like when I go to the Bible study with what you consider (I think) new age (name and claim it?) ...I’m not wanting to take away from them but edify and encourage only saying “hey, I want you to have something which doesn’t fail.” The only major problem I have with what you say, is the following verse is so hopeful and encouraging that God says there WILL be fruit and it will not be consumed. He even goes as far as saying elsewhere He will keep the devourer (rebuke him)from eating it up. When you make it just a literal tree with literal fruit ...at least for me it diminishes the promises of God that His fruit of the Spirit will be for meat, and He will heal.
Ezekiel 47:12 "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
 
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curious exactly what you mean by “new age”. Torn there because are we not to speak of a new age? Hebrews 6:4-5 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world (age)to come,

but do you mean “new age” as in not waiting for the Lord? We started going to a bible study and maybe it is what you consider new age...as in (the message being)we possess it all now and make it manifest as so. There was an older man so frustrated because his back is so broken down he can barely sit upright but is being convinced he can speak to the pain and force it to leave. He comes every time so frustrated beating himself down because he is not seeing to pain being gone manifested as he is being told. Oddly, one of the reason I’ve responded so much to your post on the fruit of the tree of Life is because they also were discussing which fruits we all thought would be growing on it...apples, oranges...saying obviously there are trees there that have fruit.

do think we wait upon the Lord, Davy. It not yet being seen but instead “as poor” “as having nothing”. 2 Corinthians 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

i’m not against you. Just like when I go to the Bible study with what you consider (I think) new age (name and claim it?) ...I’m not wanting to take away from them but edify and encourage only saying “hey, I want you to have something which doesn’t fail.” The only major problem I have is the follow is so hopeful and encouraging that God says there WILL be fruit and it it will not be consumed. He even goes as far as saying elsewhere He will keep the devourer from eating it up. When you make it just a literal tree with literal fruit ...at least for me it diminishes the promises of God that His fruit of the Spirit will be for meat, and He will heal.
Ezekiel 47:12 "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
Lol, The devourer is religion.
 
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The Return of the Lord Jesus the .... christ?
Revelation 14:1 "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 14:2 "And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Revelation 14:3 "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Revelation 14:4 "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Revelation 14:5 "And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Many of christian attribute this passage of scripture of Christ return with Zechariah 14:1 "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zechariah 14:2 "For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zechariah 14:3 "Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zechariah 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zechariah 14:5 "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee".

well there are three problems with this picture.

#1. it's the Lamb and not the Lamb of God is standing, big difference.

#2. also this takes place after the Millennium

#3. the Lamb is God the Holy Spirit, and the scene is during the church age not at the Lord's second coming.

Christ never touches the earth physically at his returns in bodily form. the dead who is raised, and us if alive, change meet the Lord in the air. not on the surface of earth.
 

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Lol, The devourer is religion.

Galatians 5:14-16 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [15] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. [16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

James 4:1-3 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? [2] Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. [3] Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.


Malachi 3:10-11 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. (I go to prepare room)[11] And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; (Mark 4:7-9)neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
—John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Ezekiel 47:12 "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
 
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Galatians 5:14-16 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [15] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. [16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

James 4:1-3 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? [2] Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. [3] Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.


Malachi 3:10-11 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. (I go to prepare room)[11] And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; (Mark 4:7-9)neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
—John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Ezekiel 47:12 "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
You might would like to use this verse, 1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour".

for the "devourer" here is the devil, the evil one. and he is spiritual.

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You might would like to use this verse, 1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour".

for the "devourer" here is the devil, the evil one. and he is spiritual.

PICJAG.
The devil is the first man and his spirit is carnal. The whole world is in the image of the first man who is a sinner. This was the purpose of Christ, so believers may be baptized into Christ which is the image of God. And to be given a new spirit which is not carnal but spiritual which is the Spirit of God, who is Christ Jesus.
 
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The devil is the first man and his spirit is carnal. The whole world is in the image of the first man who is a sinner. This was the purpose of Christ, so believers may be baptized into Christ which is the image of God. And to be given a new spirit which is not carnal but spiritual which is the Spirit of God, who is Christ Jesus.
the devil is the first man? please give scripture for this.

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the devil is the first man? please give scripture for this.

PICJAG.
I will give you nothing. Those who believe me, I will teach and those who do not will remain in their delusion until the judgment.
 

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I will give you nothing. Those who believe me, I will teach and those who do not will remain in their delusion until the judgment.
so we can take this as you have no scripture to prove what you have said, right.

see wind, that's all you're doing, just blowing in the wind... o_O no substance, no truth, just blowing in the wind. as the Lord said through his holy apostle, Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

a deceiver is nothing but a "FALSE PROPHET".

PICJAG.
 

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so we can take this as you have no scripture to prove what you have said, right.

see wind, that's all you're doing, just blowing in the wind... o_O no substance, no truth, just blowing in the wind. as the Lord said through his holy apostle, Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

a deceiver is nothing but a "FALSE PROPHET".

PICJAG.


May you be clothed with your works until the judgment.
 

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You might would like to use this verse, 1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour".

for the "devourer" here is the devil, the evil one. and he is spiritual.

PICJAG.


Ephesians 6:10-17 ...against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

The spirit of fear: Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

It is so confusing because in Job it says: Job 41:33-34 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. [34] He beholdeth all high things : he is a king over all the children of pride.
but notice in the passage in job good things happen. A light shines...

Revelation 12:11-13 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. [12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. [13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.


Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
 
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It is so confusing because in Job it says: Job 41:33-34 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. [34] He beholdeth all high things : he is a king over all the children of pride.
but notice in the passage in job good things happen. A light shines...


Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
 

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There is only two kinds of people: those with the spirit of God and those with the spirit of man.

Ok, let's debate that then. The idea of having the "Spirit of Christ" by faith on Christ Jesus is actually what you mean to say.

Rom 8:4-12
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
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You might want to go back to your preacher and show him how to properly word that from God's Word, instead of trying to put that as some "spirit of God" philosophy.
 

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Mark 12:38-44 KJV
[38] And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces, [39] And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts: [40] Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation. [41] And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. [42] And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. [43] And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: [44] For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.


Here’s the devourer for those who have ears, the religious elite. Jesus said so and when He had given the evidence of it, went outside and said I Am bringing it all down, but of course what the Lord makes desolate men( Satan) struggles to rebuild......

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This generation preaching Christ do not understand God's word because they don't have the Holy Spirit to understand spiritual things. The falling away happened long ago my friend.

No, the 'falling away' of 2 Thess.2 has not happened yet, simply because that Chapter shows us it involves the coming of that "man of sin" to Jerusalem to sit in another physical temple there and proclaiming himself as God and over all that is called God or that is worshiped. Last I checked the false religions of the world are still worshiping their imaginary gods, and not a god in Jerusalem.

So before you go claiming others don't understand God's Word, you might get into His Word more for yourself and discipline yourself in it, because you reveal you just don't know what you're talking about.
 

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as the Lord said through his holy apostle, Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

a deceiver is nothing but a "FALSE PROPHET".

transcends time from the Psalms to today: Psalm 10:4-11 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God : God is not in all his thoughts. [5] His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them. [6] He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity. [7] His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity. [8] He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor. [9] He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net. [10] He croucheth, and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones. [11] He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it.

Proverbs 12:12-13 The wicked desireth the net of evil men : but the root of the righteous yieldeth fruit. [13] The wicked is snared by the transgression of his lips: but the just shall come out of trouble.

Psalm 31:4-5 Pull me out of the net that they have laid privily for me: for thou art my strength. [5] Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O Lord God of truth.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
 
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you're getting ahead of yourself.
A. I was speaking of the "inheritance" in chapter 46

B. you're saying that Armageddon happens before the Millennial?

C. correct me if I'm in error, but do not the reviving of the remnant of Israel occure in the church age, as with other saints, before the Millennial? and the restoration of both Jews and Gentiles who are in apostasy are dealt with during the millennium.

PICJAG.

Not ahead of myself. I am in God's Word as written. The inheritance layout begins in Ezek.47, not 46.

Yes, the battle of Armageddon happens PRIOR to Christ's "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. The battle of Armageddon is shown happening on the 7th Vial per Rev.16, which is the battle of Rev.19 at Jesus' 2nd coming. That is the timing of the Ezekiel 39 battle also. So it sounds like you are an Amillennialist, i.e., those who believe Christ's coming is after the "thousand years" of Rev.20. That doctrine does not follow God's Holy Writ.

No such thing as a "church age" written in God's Word. That's from John Darby's pre-trib rapture doctrine of his dispensationalist theories.

And if you're going to preach a revival of Israel before... Christ's future Millennial reign, then you are already terribly deceived! Reason is because the orthodox unbelieving Jews today are trying to get the Christian world to believe that now is the time of their restoration, when it is not. The event that is soon to come upon them in our time today is the coming of the Antichrist there in Jerusalem, to proclaim himself as God and whom those unbelieving Jews will setup as their king. So if you want to be part of that, go ahead, but you will be totally disregarding Christ's warning about those things, which Apostle Paul also warned of for the end too.