Some interesting facts on Giants see link for picture comparisons.......................................................................................History is replete with their tales of unimaginable cruelty, sexual perversity, cannibalism and pagan rituals. This is only the beginning. Some things are best forgotten. . . or are they?Where did these giants come from and what was their connection with ordinary humans? Just who were they? What happened to these extraordinary creatures? Is it possible they could ever return? A. Present day modern man which averages about 6-feet tall + or - several inches or more. B. 15-foot human skeleton found in southeast Turkey in late 1950's in the Euphrates valley during road construction. Many tombs containing giants were uncovered here. This pertains to the picture of the giant human femur and myself above. C. Maximinus Thrax Ceaser of Rome 235-238 A.D. This was an 8' 6" skeleton. D. Goliath was about 9 feet + or - a few inches. I Samuel 17:4 late 11th century. E. King Og spoken of in Deuteronomy 3:11 whose iron bedstead was approximately 14-feet by 6-feet wide. King Og was at least 12-feet tall, yet some claim up to 18. F. A 19'6" human skeleton found in 1577 A.D. under an overturned oak tree in the Canton of Lucerne. G. 23-foot tall skeleton found in 1456 A.D. beside a river in Valence, France. H. A 25' 6 " skeleton found in 1613 A.D. near the castle of Chaumont in France. This was claimed to be a nearly complete find. I. Almost beyond comprehension or believability was the find of the two separate 36-foot human remains uncovered by Carthaginians somewhere between 200-600 B.C. Source for the above information:http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/charts/charts.html
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Thanks for this post, Kriss. I was wondering how tall these giants were.On- line in an unaccepted book; not of the Bible, I was reading about the world before the flood and these giants were said to be a horror to the ancients. A unaccepted book said that people had to feed them and their appetites were very large. It was feed them or suffer the consequences.It got so that they started to eat men because there wasn't enough food and the animal kingdom suffered as well.Is there any indication that these skeletons were male and female?Sorry, this is interesting and not a Biblical question.
Most of the ones I'm aware of Ros,are male but I do remember of reading somewhere of a female skeleton that was found and reburied.I beleive I read the same book or at least one simular to it the book of Enoch also eludes to this being the behavior of the giants.There is nothing wrong with looking to science or another second wittness outside the bible to prove Gods word is true as long as we don't claim it as Gods word or make a religion around it. I think this is an important little understood biblical topic.
Thanks, Kriss; I couldn't remember where I read that but that sounds about right.Is there any chance of giant offsprings when the fallen angels come back?Another words, is there enough time for that? Is it 7 years or 5 months?
I often wonder this myself the Bible tells us it will be as it was in Noahs time and what where they doing in Noahs time ? Giving and taking in marriage to the fallen angels. I also wonder if this has something to do with the verse woe to those with child (pregnant women).This is just my opinion but makes you wonder.
There's some fascinating information out there about giants that validates what the Bible says. You won't hear much about it though because this throws a curveball at all the preconceived notions of evolution and other various aspects of modern "science." The Nephilim were real and we might see them again. I think only time will tell if we see the offspring for sure, but admittedly I don't know and don't see anywhere that Bible gives us a direct yes answer. I'm open to anyone who can say otherwise, though.
Is it good to be a giant, from a health point of view we have heard or been told it can put pressure on the heart and life expectancy is a little shorter?
SilentFlightThe giants we are talking about in this thread are not people that have medical abnormalities that cause gigantism. We are talking about the giants of the bible who were the offspring of Fallen Angels and human women.(see Gen) This was the true reason for the food of Noah because the whole earth became polluted with the mixing of unholy spirits(fallen angels) and flesh(humans).Noahs blood line was the only pure unpolluted bloodline left.This was Satan's attempt to destroy the bloodline Christ would come through.So God sent the flood to destroy these hybrids and there bloodlines.Then there was a second influx (attempt) after the flood. It was one of these that David slew. you can also read of these in Amos 2:9,Joshua 15:13,Num.13:28 just to name a few you can also do a bible search on the word "giants" which will tell you some of the peoples/tribes who were giants (offspring of fallen Angels and women)
I read that on some of the giant skeletons they found that it seems to be common that they have six fingers and 6 toes. There is a giant mummy on display in a museum in South America (Brazil or Argentina I think) I have seen pictures of it. He is believed to have been a King of some sort because of his elaborate attire. This mummy also has six fingers and six toes. I found this a curious little fact when you read of the Biblical Description in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles 20:6 2 Samuael 21:20 In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot—twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha.
People believe things to easily…if these finds were true, then there would be worldwide acknowledgment from all the professionals instead of a couple of websites.Have you people ever heard of a good hoax
For example, check out this very convincing story about a giant dug up in Saudi Arabia 15 yards long…Pictures are very convincing…http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_an...naki/anu_11.htmProblem is that it is a proven Hoax and people still believe it is true…there are always more possibilities than just the obvious…
So far, there have been two popular variants of this hoax. The first variant claims that a skeleton of a gigantic human was discovered during a gas exploration in the south region of the Arabian Desert and sports an attached photograph to "prove" the claim…However, the cleverly created image of the giant skeleton is actually an entry in an image manipulation contest by artist "Iron Kite" in which participants were instructed to create "a picture of an archaeological discovery that looks so real, had it not appeared at Worth1000, people might have done a double take".
Even the ancients had their hoaxes!!!Myths are ancient conclusions established by what was obvious to the ancients, concerning this strange world…That didn’t mean they were right in there assumptions…According to Adrienne mayor (a scholar and historian in Greek mythology) http://members.aol.com/afmayor/myhomepage/resume.html along with other archeologists and scholars presented in her documentary called, “Ancient Monster Hunters”, they have found that the Greeks had there own beliefs of giant humans as a result of finding huge bones and trying to imagine/recreate what it was they found, like a giant human, Griffins, Cyclopes and many Greek mythical creatures …These Greek bone hunters may have been the first archeologists in human history…Herodotus records the petition made by the Spartans (around 530bce) when they sought the oracle at Delphi (a Greek seer able to see past and future)… When asked how there town could thrive and triumph over its enemies, The oracle directed them to bring to Sparta the remains of the mythical Hero “Orestes, the son of Agamemnon”…according to legend, Orestes had avenged his fathers death by killing his mother…He became king of Argos and Mycenae…His burial place was unrecorded…According to Herodotus, for months the Spartans searched in vain until a Spartan soldier heard a blacksmith tell a remarkable story…In the course of digging a nearby well he had made an amazing discovery. One he described in detail.“While digging in the earth I found a coffin 7 yards long. I couldn’t believe there had ever been men that big. So I opened it and I saw that the body was that length also. After I measured it I buried it back again”. To the soldier, these remains could only be one thing. The bones of the hero Orestes …The soldier dug them up and moved them back to Sparta…To the Greeks, power indicated Height and might…all of their hero’s were giants 3 or 4 times the size of humans…During the century’s 500bc to 400 ad, when the worship of heroes was most active, it was common practice to rebury large bones when they were found with all the ceremonies due the remains of heroes…These mythical Giants seem to be created out of finding huge bones of pre-historic creatures by ancient man, causing them to believe in giant mythical heroes…The bones the blacksmith unearthed were likely the jumbled fossil remains of a Pleistocene Mammoth which earlier Greeks had found, rearranged and reburied in a coffin some decades or even centuries before…When the remains were disinterred a second time, the ceremonial trappings were seen as proof that this was the grave of a legendary hero…the bones were carried with great ceremony to Sparta which did indeed prosper becoming the preeminent state in southern Greece.The Spartan announcement of there discovery of Orestes sparked a bone rush in Greece…Now every Greek city wanted to have there own bones of one of there own heroes…This would create a lot of grave sites of Giants that are not really giant humans at all…The Jewish Giant myths are a whole different story but they do end up influenced by Greek mythology in the end (By Jesus Time)…
For example, check out this very convincing story about a giant dug up in Saudi Arabia 15 yards long…Pictures are very convincing…http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_an...naki/anu_11.htmProblem is that it is a proven Hoax and people still believe it is true…there are always more possibilities than just the obvious…So far, there have been two popular variants of this hoax. The first variant claims that a skeleton of a gigantic human was discovered during a gas exploration in the south region of the Arabian Desert and sports an attached photograph to "prove" the claim…However, the cleverly created image of the giant skeleton is actually an entry in an image manipulation contest by artist "Iron Kite" in which participants were instructed to create "a picture of an archaeological discovery that looks so real, had it not appeared at Worth1000, people might have done a double take".
Even the ancients had their hoaxes!!!Myths are ancient conclusions established by what was obvious to the ancients, concerning this strange world…That didn’t mean they were right in there assumptions…According to Adrienne mayor (a scholar and historian in Greek mythology) http://members.aol.com/afmayor/myhomepage/resume.html along with other archeologists and scholars presented in her documentary called, “Ancient Monster Hunters”, they have found that the Greeks had there own beliefs of giant humans as a result of finding huge bones and trying to imagine/recreate what it was they found, like a giant human, Griffins, Cyclopes and many Greek mythical creatures …These Greek bone hunters may have been the first archeologists in human history…Herodotus records the petition made by the Spartans (around 530bce) when they sought the oracle at Delphi (a Greek seer able to see past and future)… When asked how there town could thrive and triumph over its enemies, The oracle directed them to bring to Sparta the remains of the mythical Hero “Orestes, the son of Agamemnon”…according to legend, Orestes had avenged his fathers death by killing his mother…He became king of Argos and Mycenae…His burial place was unrecorded…According to Herodotus, for months the Spartans searched in vain until a Spartan soldier heard a blacksmith tell a remarkable story…In the course of digging a nearby well he had made an amazing discovery. One he described in detail.“While digging in the earth I found a coffin 7 yards long. I couldn’t believe there had ever been men that big. So I opened it and I saw that the body was that length also. After I measured it I buried it back again”. To the soldier, these remains could only be one thing. The bones of the hero Orestes …The soldier dug them up and moved them back to Sparta…To the Greeks, power indicated Height and might…all of their hero’s were giants 3 or 4 times the size of humans…During the century’s 500bc to 400 ad, when the worship of heroes was most active, it was common practice to rebury large bones when they were found with all the ceremonies due the remains of heroes…These mythical Giants seem to be created out of finding huge bones of pre-historic creatures by ancient man, causing them to believe in giant mythical heroes…The bones the blacksmith unearthed were likely the jumbled fossil remains of a Pleistocene Mammoth which earlier Greeks had found, rearranged and reburied in a coffin some decades or even centuries before…When the remains were disinterred a second time, the ceremonial trappings were seen as proof that this was the grave of a legendary hero…the bones were carried with great ceremony to Sparta which did indeed prosper becoming the preeminent state in southern Greece.The Spartan announcement of there discovery of Orestes sparked a bone rush in Greece…Now every Greek city wanted to have there own bones of one of there own heroes…This would create a lot of grave sites of Giants that are not really giant humans at all…The Jewish Giant myths are a whole different story but they do end up influenced by Greek mythology in the end (By Jesus Time)…
If The giants (Nephilim) in genesis all died in the flood and only Noah’s family survived, then how could Goliath or the Giants in Canaan be related to These Giants before the flood…That simply does not make sense to me???It seems to me that Gen 6 was referring to the mix of Cane and Seth's genealogies that had just been given in CH 5 of genesis (the previous ch) these two line crossed (sons of god was the righteous line of Seth and the Line of lost man which was Cane’s line, cross-bread and mingled)… The offspring of these unions were mighty men, men of renown, men of War, Giant men, Men of power and Control…These Men bring Violence to the whole earth bringing about the flood of Noah, according to Gen CH 6…The Question is, does Giant refer to power and control or huge and big in size because it gives the impression that there giants in power and strength but maybe not size, until later Jewish myths formed… It appears that some hundreds of years later, Jews have misinterpreted genesis CH 6 because of Greek mythical influence that came into play in Judea a few hundred yrs after the return from Babylon…Judea came under full Greek occupation and culture a few hundred years before Jesus…even the high priest had names like Jason and other common Greek names…
That brings me to the next part of my explanation on my views on this subject;
On- line in an unaccepted book; not of the Bible, I was reading about the world before the flood and these giants were said to be a horror to the ancients. An unaccepted book said that people had to feed them and their appetites were very large. It was feed them or suffer the consequences.It got so that they started to eat men because there wasn't enough food and the animal kingdom suffered as well.
The book your referring to is called “The book Of Enoch”…This book was written in the 2nd century BCE by Jews and is common Jewish myths and fables…The book would have us believe it was written thousands of years earlier by “Enoch” who walked with god before the flood of Noah but in fact it was written thousands of years latter by Apocalyptic Jews around 150bce, who made it look like Enoch wrote it…This is very common for apocalyptic Jewish Writings of that time and the early Christian era…The big problem is that the first Christians Believed the Book of Enoch was divinely inspired scripture (according to The Book Of Jude and many other N/T references and direct quotes from TBOE in the N/T)…Even Jesus seemed to believe in TBOE considering he cast out these demons who were the spirits of these giant half-breeds spoken of in TBOE, who’s spirits still existed in the earth after the flood (according to TBOE, god left these giants spirits alive to wonder the earth taunting and torment mankind until the Judgment of all things)…Jesus practiced Enochian theology when casting out these evil spirits…Jesus casting out demons is directly linked to him believing TBOE was true and evil spirits (demons) were possessing the souls of men…That’s why he spoke to them (according to the Gospels) like they were real personalities and entities when in fact it was just mental illnesses…It seems to me that the whole concept of Giants by the Jews in this period (200bce – 200ce) comes from their misinterpretations of the meaning of Gen ch 6… This Jewish Myth was amplified and misinterpreted by Jews while living under Greek rule and having Judaism mingled with Greek mythology a couple of hundred yrs before Jesus…Remember the Greek mythical Titans…Remember Hercules was a half-breed, his father was a god (Zeus) and his mother a human…This is Greek mythology prior to the life of Jesus.
The Nephilim were real and we might see them again. I think only time will tell if we see the offspring for sure, but admittedly I don't know and don't see anywhere that Bible gives us a direct yes answer. I'm open to anyone who can say otherwise, though.
If Jesus was born of a God/Angel and has a human mother, then this would make Jesus a half-breed Nephilim like Hercules or those Nephilim in Genesis…Only Jesus wasn’t huge in size but rather a giant in power and control over men. So, maybe they are still among us now if a half bread like Jesus looks exactly like us.If this is true, then it looks very much like Alien Intervention not some spiritual intervention from a divine god….It is obviously more likely that these are just myths and stories told by ancient man…We have done that forever, just look at Santa Clause…Are adults much different to children? We all believe silly mythical stories??These Biblical Giants are clearly Jewish mythology to me… Surely Jesus was awear of that if he is the son of god???
On- line in an unaccepted book; not of the Bible, I was reading about the world before the flood and these giants were said to be a horror to the ancients. An unaccepted book said that people had to feed them and their appetites were very large. It was feed them or suffer the consequences.It got so that they started to eat men because there wasn't enough food and the animal kingdom suffered as well.
The book your referring to is called “The book Of Enoch”…This book was written in the 2nd century BCE by Jews and is common Jewish myths and fables…The book would have us believe it was written thousands of years earlier by “Enoch” who walked with god before the flood of Noah but in fact it was written thousands of years latter by Apocalyptic Jews around 150bce, who made it look like Enoch wrote it…This is very common for apocalyptic Jewish Writings of that time and the early Christian era…The big problem is that the first Christians Believed the Book of Enoch was divinely inspired scripture (according to The Book Of Jude and many other N/T references and direct quotes from TBOE in the N/T)…Even Jesus seemed to believe in TBOE considering he cast out these demons who were the spirits of these giant half-breeds spoken of in TBOE, who’s spirits still existed in the earth after the flood (according to TBOE, god left these giants spirits alive to wonder the earth taunting and torment mankind until the Judgment of all things)…Jesus practiced Enochian theology when casting out these evil spirits…Jesus casting out demons is directly linked to him believing TBOE was true and evil spirits (demons) were possessing the souls of men…That’s why he spoke to them (according to the Gospels) like they were real personalities and entities when in fact it was just mental illnesses…It seems to me that the whole concept of Giants by the Jews in this period (200bce – 200ce) comes from their misinterpretations of the meaning of Gen ch 6… This Jewish Myth was amplified and misinterpreted by Jews while living under Greek rule and having Judaism mingled with Greek mythology a couple of hundred yrs before Jesus…Remember the Greek mythical Titans…Remember Hercules was a half-breed, his father was a god (Zeus) and his mother a human…This is Greek mythology prior to the life of Jesus.
The Nephilim were real and we might see them again. I think only time will tell if we see the offspring for sure, but admittedly I don't know and don't see anywhere that Bible gives us a direct yes answer. I'm open to anyone who can say otherwise, though.
If Jesus was born of a God/Angel and has a human mother, then this would make Jesus a half-breed Nephilim like Hercules or those Nephilim in Genesis…Only Jesus wasn’t huge in size but rather a giant in power and control over men. So, maybe they are still among us now if a half bread like Jesus looks exactly like us.If this is true, then it looks very much like Alien Intervention not some spiritual intervention from a divine god….It is obviously more likely that these are just myths and stories told by ancient man…We have done that forever, just look at Santa Clause…Are adults much different to children? We all believe silly mythical stories??These Biblical Giants are clearly Jewish mythology to me… Surely Jesus was awear of that if he is the son of god???
So basically according to your theory the bible is telling lies and fairy tales for entertainment???You have not read it very close or you would realize you are putting your own thoughts and opinions in front of Gods Word. And sense we study Gods word here we know better your free to believe your own ideas ..But we know better everything you have said above is your opinion ,your misreading scripture,and/or guesses but not Biblical.So we will take Gods word over your opinions and ideas
So basically according to your theory the bible is telling lies and fairy tales for entertainment???You have not read it very close or you would realize you are putting your own thoughts and opinions in front of Gods Word. And sense we study Gods word here we know better you’re free to believe your own ideas. But we know better everything you have said above is your opinion, your misreading scripture, and/or guesses but not Biblical.So we will take Gods word over your opinions and ideas
The Bible isn’t lying or telling fairy tails for entertainment Kriss, it is simply how the ancients saw things and wrote back then…. The fact that we take that and worship that as god, is flawed “In My Opinion”…That’s fair enough kriss, you are right, some of what I have said is my opinion and some of what I have said is not so much my opinion but the opinion of the wider historical and archeological community…As for TBOE and some of my opinions, I am sure if you take a look for yourself, you will find it is not my opinion but the opinion of scholars and historians that I have tried to share hear…I have come to my own conclusions as a result of studying wide and deep, the works of Ancient historians, Scholars and Archeology, to establish what I believe a little like you studying your Bible and using that as your source of beliefs…I have trusted the Bible as the word of God for 15 yrs, so I know what it teaches but these days I have trusted professional experts above the bible instead of believing simply through faith just because the bible says so…Do we worship god hear or a book?Anyways, I didn’t post to cause offence, it is just a very interesting subject, one I have studied for over 20 yrs now and just wanted to be involved in the discussion…I take no offence to a Christian point of view and I hope you can accept that I to am allowed a view…I mean lets face it. No two Christians have ever agreed on everything they believe so what’s the difference with me, I believe In God still, well I try too anyways…Truth has forced me to loose faith...
The Bible isn’t lying or telling fairy tails for entertainment Kriss, it is simply how the ancients saw things and wrote back then…. The fact that we take that and worship that as god, is flawed “In My Opinion”…That’s fair enough kriss, you are right, some of what I have said is my opinion and some of what I have said is not so much my opinion but the opinion of the wider historical and archeological community…As for TBOE and some of my opinions, I am sure if you take a look for yourself, you will find it is not my opinion but the opinion of scholars and historians that I have tried to share hear…I have come to my own conclusions as a result of studying wide and deep, the works of Ancient historians, Scholars and Archeology, to establish what I believe a little like you studying your Bible and using that as your source of beliefs…I have trusted the Bible as the word of God for 15 yrs, so I know what it teaches but these days I have trusted professional experts above the bible instead of believing simply through faith just because the bible says so…Do we worship god hear or a book?Anyways, I didn’t post to cause offence, it is just a very interesting subject, one I have studied for over 20 yrs now and just wanted to be involved in the discussion…I take no offence to a Christian point of view and I hope you can accept that I to am allowed a view…I mean lets face it. No two Christians have ever agreed on everything they believe so what’s the difference with me, I believe In God still, well I try too anyways…Truth has forced me to loose faith...
How is this my opinion???Do you know who Herodotus is??
Herodotus records the petition made by the Spartans (around 530bce) when they sought the oracle at Delphi (a Greek seer able to see past and future)… When asked how there town could thrive and triumph over its enemies, The oracle directed them to bring to Sparta the remains of the mythical Hero “Orestes, the son of Agamemnon”…according to legend, Orestes had avenged his fathers death by killing his mother…He became king of Argos and Mycenae…His burial place was unrecorded…According to Herodotus, for months the Spartans searched in vain until a Spartan soldier heard a blacksmith tell a remarkable story…In the course of digging a nearby well he had made an amazing discovery. One he described in detail.“While digging in the earth I found a coffin 7 yards long. I couldn’t believe there had ever been men that big. So I opened it and I saw that the body was that length also. After I measured it I buried it back again”. To the soldier, these remains could only be one thing. The bones of the hero Orestes …The soldier dug them up and moved them back to Sparta…To the Greeks, power indicated Height and might…all of their hero’s were giants 3 or 4 times the size of humans…During the century’s 500bc to 400 ad, when the worship of heroes was most active, it was common practice to rebury large bones when they were found with all the ceremonies due the remains of heroes…These mythical Giants seem to be created out of finding huge bones of pre-historic creatures by ancient man, causing them to believe in giant mythical heroes…The bones the blacksmith unearthed were likely the jumbled fossil remains of a Pleistocene Mammoth which earlier Greeks had found, rearranged and reburied in a coffin some decades or even centuries before…When the remains were disinterred a second time, the ceremonial trappings were seen as proof that this was the grave of a legendary hero…the bones were carried with great ceremony to Sparta which did indeed prosper becoming the preeminent state in southern Greece.The Spartan announcement of there discovery of Orestes sparked a bone rush in Greece…Now every Greek city wanted to have there own bones of one of there own heroes…This would create a lot of grave sites of Giants that are not really giant humans at all…
Herodotus records the petition made by the Spartans (around 530bce) when they sought the oracle at Delphi (a Greek seer able to see past and future)… When asked how there town could thrive and triumph over its enemies, The oracle directed them to bring to Sparta the remains of the mythical Hero “Orestes, the son of Agamemnon”…according to legend, Orestes had avenged his fathers death by killing his mother…He became king of Argos and Mycenae…His burial place was unrecorded…According to Herodotus, for months the Spartans searched in vain until a Spartan soldier heard a blacksmith tell a remarkable story…In the course of digging a nearby well he had made an amazing discovery. One he described in detail.“While digging in the earth I found a coffin 7 yards long. I couldn’t believe there had ever been men that big. So I opened it and I saw that the body was that length also. After I measured it I buried it back again”. To the soldier, these remains could only be one thing. The bones of the hero Orestes …The soldier dug them up and moved them back to Sparta…To the Greeks, power indicated Height and might…all of their hero’s were giants 3 or 4 times the size of humans…During the century’s 500bc to 400 ad, when the worship of heroes was most active, it was common practice to rebury large bones when they were found with all the ceremonies due the remains of heroes…These mythical Giants seem to be created out of finding huge bones of pre-historic creatures by ancient man, causing them to believe in giant mythical heroes…The bones the blacksmith unearthed were likely the jumbled fossil remains of a Pleistocene Mammoth which earlier Greeks had found, rearranged and reburied in a coffin some decades or even centuries before…When the remains were disinterred a second time, the ceremonial trappings were seen as proof that this was the grave of a legendary hero…the bones were carried with great ceremony to Sparta which did indeed prosper becoming the preeminent state in southern Greece.The Spartan announcement of there discovery of Orestes sparked a bone rush in Greece…Now every Greek city wanted to have there own bones of one of there own heroes…This would create a lot of grave sites of Giants that are not really giant humans at all…
If you had read the Bible and the book of enoch you would also know that this is also not my opinion but rather historical truth...
The book your referring to is called “The book Of Enoch”…This book was written in the 2nd century BCE by Jews and is common Jewish myths and fables…The book would have us believe it was written thousands of years earlier by “Enoch” who walked with god before the flood of Noah but in fact it was written thousands of years latter by Apocalyptic Jews around 150bce, who made it look like Enoch wrote it…This is very common for apocalyptic Jewish Writings of that time and the early Christian era…The big problem is that the first Christians Believed the Book of Enoch was divinely inspired scripture (according to The Book Of Jude and many other N/T references and direct quotes from TBOE in the N/T)…Even Jesus seemed to believe in TBOE considering he cast out these demons who were the spirits of these giant half-breeds spoken of in TBOE, who’s spirits still existed in the earth after the flood (according to TBOE, god left these giants spirits alive to wonder the earth taunting and torment mankind until the Judgment of all things)…Jesus practiced Enochian theology when casting out these evil spirits…Jesus casting out demons is directly linked to him believing TBOE was true and evil spirits (demons) were possessing the souls of men…That’s why he spoke to them (according to the Gospels) like they were real personalities and entities when in fact it was just mental illnesses…
The book your referring to is called “The book Of Enoch”…This book was written in the 2nd century BCE by Jews and is common Jewish myths and fables…The book would have us believe it was written thousands of years earlier by “Enoch” who walked with god before the flood of Noah but in fact it was written thousands of years latter by Apocalyptic Jews around 150bce, who made it look like Enoch wrote it…This is very common for apocalyptic Jewish Writings of that time and the early Christian era…The big problem is that the first Christians Believed the Book of Enoch was divinely inspired scripture (according to The Book Of Jude and many other N/T references and direct quotes from TBOE in the N/T)…Even Jesus seemed to believe in TBOE considering he cast out these demons who were the spirits of these giant half-breeds spoken of in TBOE, who’s spirits still existed in the earth after the flood (according to TBOE, god left these giants spirits alive to wonder the earth taunting and torment mankind until the Judgment of all things)…Jesus practiced Enochian theology when casting out these evil spirits…Jesus casting out demons is directly linked to him believing TBOE was true and evil spirits (demons) were possessing the souls of men…That’s why he spoke to them (according to the Gospels) like they were real personalities and entities when in fact it was just mental illnesses…
These so called opinions of mine are a result of 20 yrs of studying Jewish History…This concept of Giants and Nephilim are what is called “Apocalyptic Writing”, this was very popular among Jews and Christians between 200bce to 300ce…Let me produce a little fact to these ramblings;Hear is a quote from “The Book of Jude” (A book in the bible and some claim Jude to be Jesus brother). Jude 1 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. O.K. This is a “Direct” Quote from the book of Enoch En ii xxvi 2Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.In Christianity and Judaism, if you claim someone prophesied something you are claiming it is god’s divine word….My point hear is that “The Book Of Enoch” was used by early Christians as divine scripture and this can be proved in so many ways…This quote from TBOE is also spoken of in revelations, Hebrews, Thessalonians 1 and 2, 1 & 2 Peter and other places in the bible also…If an angel of God revealed to the Apostle John concerning the Apocalypse by a vision while in Patmos, as the book of revelation claims, then why does the book of revelation directly quote TBOE several times??? En xlviiHe sat upon the throne of his glory, while the books of the living where opened in his presance, and while all the powers which were above the heavens stood around and before him. En lIn those days shall the earth deliver up from her womb, and hell deliver up from hers, that which it has received, and destruction shall restore that which it owes, he shall select the righteous and holy from among them. En livIn those days shall the mouth of hell be opened into which they shall be immerged; hell shall destroy and swallow up sinners from the face of the elect.En xl 1After this I beheld thousands of thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand, and an infinite number of people, standing before the lord of spirits. En xlv 3In that day shall the elect one sit upon a throne of glory and shall choose their conditions and countless habitationsOK, I will put some of Revelations to this…Rev 11: 13-15I saw a great white throne and him that sat on it…and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before the throne; and the books were opened and another book was opened. Which is the book of life and the dead where judged out of those things that where written in the books, according to there works. The sea gave up the dead that where in it and death and hell delivered up the dead that where in them…who soever was not found in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire Rev v11I beheld and heard the voice of many angels round about the throne…the number of them was 10,000 times 10,000, and thousands of thousands.I am also thinking of Mathew 25 31-32Then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory and before him shall be gathered all nations and he shall separate them from one another. And John 14:2In my father's house are many habitations.I will stick with Revelations ok because I am thinking of so many comparisons in other new testament books but to make a stronger point I want to stick with revelations because I believe Enoch was the main source to the writer of Revelations therefore it wasn’t given to john in a vision by an angel…So, hears more
En xlv 4In that day I will cause my elect one to dwell in the midst of themRev 7:15He that sits upon the throne shall dwell among them… En xcii 17 The former heaven shall depart and pass away and a new heaven shall appearRev 22:1I saw a new heaven and a new earth for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away En xlviii 1-7In that day I beheld a fountain of righteousness, which never failed, encircled by many springs of wisdom. Of those who drank, and were filled with wisdom, have their habitation with the righteous, the elect and the holy. Rev 21:6 I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.And againEn ii xxvi 2Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.Jude 1 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed. So, my point hear is that TBOE is probably the main source of revelations ..I want to go one step further and add that who ever wrote a lot of the new testament books (including Paul) most definatly used TBOE as one of there sources…Look at this apocalyptic view in Enoch and tell me if it sounds very much like Jesus apocalyptic message concerning the coming of the son of man and the end of the world in the gospels; En lxxixIn the days of sinners the days shall be shortened…and everything done on earth shall be subverted and disappear in it's season, in those days, the fruit of the earth shall not flourish in there season. Heaven shall stand still, the moon shall change it's laws and not be seen at it's proper periods and all the classes of stars shall be shut up against sinners and trouble shall seize them when they shall behold this son of woman sitting upon the throne of his glory. Mathew 24There shall be famines and earthquakes in diverse places, great tribulation such as was not since the beginning to this time, no, nor ever shall be and except those days be shortened there should be no flesh saved. immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars will fall from heaven…then shall the tribes of the earth morn and they shall see the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory… The question for me is;Did Jesus read Enoch and then teach this???Or did Jesus disciples read Enoch and then write the gospels as though Jesus said this??Why does it uses all the same ideas as TBOE as though TBOE was the writers main source used to write Revelations??? TBOE was written 200yrs before Revelations.Keep in mind that an angel also came and revealed all these things to Enoch in TBOE but I think it is clear to say that Enoch did not write this book nor did he see these things via an angel of god because Enoch Supposedly lived before the flood of Noah and we know TBOE was written in 2nd century BC, not in prehistory when writing was non-existent…
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I believe that angels are women who took the form of menand those who left their proper dwellings are male."That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels."(1 Corinthians 11:10)" their hair like women's hair, and their teeth like lions' teeth;"(Revelation 9:8)"But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first." (Revelation 2:4)"And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them: they wore breastplates the color of fire and of sapphire and of sulfur, and the heads of the horses were like lions' heads, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths." (Revelation 9:17)
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