What happens when we die?

Hobie said:

Here is a good explanation that a friend on one of the forums gave..
Now, to begin with, I think we can both agree that Matthew 10:28 does not define what a soul is; and I believe that is the question at hand. Or maybe I should ask plainly, what is the question exactly? Exacting answers come from exacting questions.
While I agree that the NT's usage of soul/psuche (Strong's #5590) is an expanded one that covers various symbolic meanings, however none of the NT references that I'm aware of define what a soul is. That definition is found in the OT.

Now some points on this verse in question:
1) By one saying that this verse possibly indicates that the soul is a seperate, dualistic part of a human, than the verse itself states clearly that the soul is NOT immortal; "destroy both soul and body in hell". That alone tells me that the soul, however we decide to define it, CAN be destroyed - thus it is not immortal.
2) When we look at the various definitions for psuche in the lexicon we find a miriad of possible definitions. How do you decide which one of these definitions fits?
3) When one reads the entire Matthew 10 (particularly starting at 10:16 onward) account we find that Christ is talking to the apostles in regards to their persecution as they are being sent out to spread the Gospel. He tells them how hard it is going to be (such as in 10:9 how they would be poor (no gold, nor silver, nor brass)). He tells them not to fear those that are going to persecute them, that they would be brought before governers and kings (verse 18) by those that would have them persecuted. Basically, what we find is Jesus warning them but at the same time giving them strength to do His work - that is the theme - not fearing men. He is telling them to stay strong, for though men may be able to kill them ONLY God can determine ones salvation.
4) I think the crux of your point is going to be "why is body and soul mentioned seperately if they are one and the same .."?
That is a very simple answer; as I stated at the beginning of this reply, the NT expands the means of words used in the OT. Soul in the NT, as we've seen from the Strong's Lexicon #5590, has various meanings. But you'll notice that virtually every definition (in particularly definition #2) shows traits that are associated with the whole being of a person (their feelings, desires, affections, etc). These are parts of the whole person, not some seperate "essense" as the very last definition (2c) would try to squeeze in.
As such, the verse simply means [paraphrase] "do not be afraid of those that can kill you, if you are going to be afraid of anyone be afraid of God, for it is He that can destroy you utterly as it is He that decides your salvation".

God is the one who will judge who will have eternal life, the wicked will be separated from God at the Lake of Fire at the second death and cease to exist for eternity.

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" I think the crux of your point is going to be "why is body and soul mentioned separately if they are one and the same .."?" <---Yes, you are correct, this would have been my next question, lol.

Nancy said:

last night, I watched your first video and then, reading Matthew this morning, when I came upon Matthew 10:28 , I see that the soul and the body are separate: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." Just curious about that.

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Soul refers to the entire person/creature (which includes mind/heart), see Genesis 2:7; Ezekiel 18:4,20; Job 12:10; Revelation 16:13. The body is merely the dust that is animated by the breath of God.

So, while mankind can destroy the body, by fire, etc, they cannot ultimately destroy the person. That is God's prerogative alone. The last part of the verse tells us so.

What happens to those who die in the first death, they sleep as shown. They are not yet truly destroyed, for God is able to resurrect both righteous and wicked in their respective resurrections, but in the 2nd death there is no resurrection from it, and so both body and soul (whole person) will have perished forever.

In other words, mankind cannot so kill/destroy the person to where they cannot be resurrected by God and so live again [therefore do not fear that temporary death], but says the text and Christ Jesus Himself, that God can so kill/destroy the person that they cannot be so resurrected ever again [a permanent death, and to fear/reverence Him, ie obey God rather than men].

This text [Matthew 10:28] absolutely shows that the pagan and platonic philosophy of immortal tormenting sufferers [in any manner] is incorrect. God does not prolong the suffering of the wicked in their sin, hatred and misery, He justly, mercifully and even lovingly ends it forever.

Thus see the third video.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mat 10:28 και μη φοβηθητε απο των αποκτεινοντων το σωμα την δε ψυχην μη δυναμενων αποκτειναι φοβηθητε δε μαλλον τον δυναμενον και ψυχην και σωμα απολεσαι εν γεεννη

Mat 10:28 καὶ μὴ φοβηθῆτε ἀπὸ τῶν ἀποκτενόντων τὸ σῶμα, τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν μὴ δυναμένων ἀποκτεῖναι· φοβήθητε δὲ μᾶλλον τὸν δυνάμενον καὶ ψυχὴν καὶ σῶμα ἀπολέσαι ἐν γεέννῃ.

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This very verse not only vindicates God in His infinite love, but also His word, His doctrine, that in the first death, all "sleep", from which we must be awakened (A) in a state of unawareness (B), and remain as such in the grave (C), until their respective resurrection (D), either the special (E), first great resurrection of the just/righteous/saints (F) which takes place when Jesus comes in Power and Glory (G), or in the second great resurrection of the unjust/unrighteous/wicked (H), which takes place, on earth (I), after the 1000 years (J), when Christ Jesus finally descend upon the mount of olives in the 3rd Advent with all of the saved and glorified saints and New Jerusalem (K), wherein satan, his devils and all of the wicked who have ever lived will face the executive judgment of the 2nd death (L), from which there is no returning, it is a total annihilation and removal of sin forever (M), but it also completely, absolutely, and most thankfully, eliminates any possibility of the satan [thus pagan] originated (N) doctrine of 'eternal tormented sufferers', 'immortal soul/spirit' theology and and a vindictive, sadistic, cruel and malevolent Jesus from being true.

Why does it eliminate such possibility of 'eternal tormented sufferers' and erroneously dangerous 'immortal soul/spirit' theology? For the text in the latter half is most strikingly clear and decisive:

"...fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

God is able to, and will, 'destroy' both ['soul' + 'body'] in 'hell' (O), which mankind is unable to do.

The doctrine of devils (P) that the wicked suffer eternally is now itself - destroyed, itself subject to the 2nd death.

Jesus, Himself, "the resurrection and the life" (Q), says that we as His followers ought not to fear, or be afraid of, those people which are able to kill/destroy this current existence of ours, this mortal body/flesh (R), this animated "dust", "clay", "earthen" (S), of which we all are, for only God is immortal (T), for only in Him is Life, unborrowed, underived, eternal, self-existing (U), for those people cannot kill/destroy the soul, the 'nefesh' or 'psyche' (V), which is the total living and aware being made up of "dust" + "breath of life" of God (W), for these people can only kill/destroy in the manner which God has allowed which is the first death, and so those which are so killed/destroyed or die in such manner are, as Christ Jesus Himself, says, they which "sleepeth" (X) awaiting to be awakened in their respective resurrection by Him (Y), but says He, that we ought to rightly fear and reverence God (Z) who is not only able, but will so destroy all sin and sinners in the 2nd Death, which is to come, and from which there is no return, nor resurrection, nor life in any fashion.

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Hobie said:

The second death is the one you have to fear, as God can resurrect you from the grave. But we have to overcome sin through Christ...

Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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The "second death" is the destruction of one's soul with spirit in the future "lake of fire". Per the end of Rev.20, death and hell both go into that future "lake of fire". The resurrection is to a "spiritual body", the "image of the heavenly" per Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. Therefore there won't be flesh bodies being raised to perish in that future "lake of fire". That idea of flesh being raised is from old Jewish traditions, and is not the body Paul taught the resurrection is. Even our Lord Jesus in Matthew 22:30 said those of the resurrection are "... as the angels of God in heaven".

Hobie said:

Now look at the equivalent verse which no one notices in Luke:
Luke 12:4-5 King James Version (KJV)
4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Notice it is the second death where the wicked perish, the Lake of Fire, that is what is the real concern. Again the reason is because the body can go to the grave, and like Lazarus, be resurrected bodily at the Second Coming, so for a believer that is not a concern.

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Oh I do fear Him. And, it is comforting to know the second death does not apply to believers. Hell is something that throws me though. Would you say that Hell is "outer darkness"? Hell, Sheol, Hades, Tartarus...all seem to have different meanings and, my thoughts go to there being different levels of Hell too:
Matthew 10:15 "Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town."

It is true
We are a soul
Plato believed we have a soul

One day
We will lie down and return to dirt

One day
We will be resurrected and receive a gloried body

Jesus conquered death

Hobie said:

In the Hebrew text it teaches that when people die they go to Sheol, the grave, Gehenna, which is the consuming by fire of the wicked. But when the grave or the eternal oblivion of the wicked was translated into Greek, the word Hades was sometimes used, which is a term for the realm of the dead. Nevertheless the meaning depending on context was the grave, or the end of the wicked in which they are ultimately destroyed in the specific way in which scripture shows at the end, which is a consuming fire which destroys them for eternity, "The lake of fire".

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

So basically the grave (Sheol) and those deserving the consuming fire (Gehenna) meet their end at the lake of fire.

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So then, you are saying annihilation? What about the "outer darkness"?

Hobie said:

God took the elements of the Earth and he fashioned it into a human being, the form of a human being. But it was a lifeless being. It wasn't until God bent down and actually breathed into the nostrils of the first man that man became a living soul. Now notice that it was the dust of the ground formed by God uniting with the Spirit, the breath of God, that man became a living soul. It doesn't say that he had an immortal soul. It says the union these two things made him a living soul. It is God that gives life and He can also take it away and in the case of the second death, it is permanently. The wicked are burned bodily and completely as God will not make them a living soul again, they have come to an end, for the ceaseless ages of time.

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You're just following Jewish traditions of men instead of what all God's Word teaches about the subject. The 'soul' continues on after death of the flesh body...

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
KJV

The first "body" Jesus mentioned is about a flesh body.
The second "body" Jesus mentioned is about the resurrection body, a "spiritual body" per Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15.
The wicked dead are raised to a resurrection body too, to the "resurrection of damnation".
It is the resurrection body with soul that goes into the future "lake of fire" with death and hell and is destroyed.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, according to Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15.
The resurrection is NOT to a new flesh body; it is to a "spiritual body" (1 Cor.15).


2 Cor 5:1-5
5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now He That hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, Who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
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We have an "earthly house" (our flesh body), and... we have a "house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens", which is a spirit body. They are of TWO DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS OF EXISTENCE. Like Jesus said in John 3, that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit. If one's spirit is not born of The Spirit through Jesus Christ, then their soul is destined to die the "second death", which is the soul with spirit body thrown into the future "lake of fire".

No such thing as an "immortal soul" until Jesus returns and the 1st resurrection happens. Those in Christ are to reckon themselves as already in that future state though, as a "new creature" through Christ's Own Resurrection (Romans 7-8; 2 Cor.5). The souls of those who refuse Christ Jesus during the future "thousand years" of Rev.20 will still be in a 'LIABLE TO DIE' condition subject to the "second death". That is who the "dead" are in that future Millennial time, and they will be in that state while in a RESURRECTION BODY.

Thus Apostle Paul's explanation of what happens on the "last trump" with the dead being raised and those still alive being changed. Per John 5:28-29, Jesus showed on the day of His coming both, the "resurrection of life" AND the "resurrection of damnation" will occur. Those alive that are changed are changed to the "spiritual body". The resurrection body IS TO A SPIRITUAL BODY, not a flesh body! Paul showed that to have eternal Life through Christ, one must go through 2 types of changes:

"corruption" (flesh) must put on "incorruption" (spiritual body, the resurrection body)
AND...
"this mortal" (liable to die soul) must put on "immortality" (resurrection of life)
(1 Cor.15)

Hobie said:

Its a hard truth to understand, but we are raised bodily, Thomas had to check himself..:
John 20:19-29 King James Version (KJV)
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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I keep imploring brethren to study 1 Corinthians 15 about the resurrection more carefully, but I too often find many not even having attempted... to study it.

1 Cor 15:35-50
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Apostle Paul used the sowing of plant seed and germination as an example of the resurrection. He didn't mean the resurrection body would be like a literal new plant born from the sown seed though. He later shows us a clear distinction between flesh and spirit is why. So he only uses this plant seed idea to reveal the resurrection MUST involve death of the old body, which is the seed that is sown. Paul said, "that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be".


39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

There are different bodies in God's creation. Likewise there is a difference between the earthly flesh body and the resurrection body. The resurrection body is a "spiritual body", NOT a flesh body. The "It" that is sown in corruption (flesh) is our 'mortal soul'. It is sown into a flesh body, but raised in power to a spiritual body. Paul doesn't say 'there will be a spiritual body'. He says 'there is a spiritual body, present tense. It is inside your flesh body. It is the "spirit" part that Eccl.12:5-7 showed you that goes back to God at flesh death (actually to Paradise).

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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The "last Adam was made a quickening spirit", which Paul applies to our Lord Jesus' Resurrection. So how is it that you want to think that our Lord Jesus' resurrection involved a body exactly like He had that died upon the cross??? Our Lord Jesus' flesh body was transfigured to the resurrection body. What you're not understanding is that the spiritual body can live upon this earth and eat man's food. It has many similarities to a flesh body, but it is not flesh. Jesus being made "a quickening spirit" is not pointing to creation of a new flesh body. It's about the raising of His Spirit Image. And it retained the marks of His crucifixion.

Like Paul says, just as we have borne the "image of the earthy" in these flesh bodies, we shall also bear the "image of the heavenly", which is a body like the angels.

Matt 22:29-30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, 'Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
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When are people going to start actually listening... to our Lord Jesus and His Apostles instead of men's traditions?

Davy said:

The second "body" Jesus mentioned is about the resurrection body, a "spiritual body" per Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15.

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A "spiritual body" is not a "spirit body". They are not the same thing. There is no such thing as a "spirit body" in scripture, as it is a contradiction in terms, per Luke 24:39. A "spiritual body" is a flesh body (of whatever type of flesh, for all flesh is not the same flesh, 1 Corinthians 15:39) under the control of the Holy Spirit, such as the Angelic hosts, which all have tangible bodies of celestial flesh (meaning flesh which is not of this fallen world, as per 1 Corinthians 15:40).

We know how the Bible defines "spiritual", even as it is used elsewhere:


It does not say that the law is 'spirit', but "spiritual", which relates to the mind/heart as per scripture.

When Christ Jesus comes, those who have the "spiritual mind [of Christ Jesus, as per Philippians 2], shall receive that body of celestial flesh, the body of immortal flesh and immortal bones (even as Jesus has), which will forever be under the control of the Holy Ghost, thus a "spiritual body", one which serves the Spirit.

Notice the words "body" (over and over again), "it" (the body, the flesh, and two differing, terrestrial (earthly) and celestial (Heavenly)), and "flesh" and "seed" and "image". It cannot be more clear.

In the resurrection we shall have t hose immortal glorified bodies of celestial flesh and bones even as the angels have:


We shall have immortal glorified and eternal bodies of flesh and bones, even as Jesus has:

We shall be even as like unto Resurrected Moses and Translated Elijah, who have those glorified bodies already:


God the Father even has His body:

The Father is not a perfume, not an aethereal essence pervading the universe.

He, the Father, is a "Person", even His person (Job 13:8; Heb 1:3), of which Jesus (the Son) is the "express image" of.

As for the rest, see "His person" (Job 13:8); "form of God" (Php 2:6), "shape" (Jhn 5:37), "image" (Gen 1:26,27; Heb 1:3), "likeness" (Gen 1:26,27), "being" (Acts 17:28), has a very real movable "Throne" on which He sits (Dan 7:9-10; Rev 4-5, &c), has "the hair of his head like the pure wool" (Dan 7:9), "whose garment was white as snow" (Dan 7:9), has a "right hand" (Rev 5:1; Acts 7:55-56), able to be looked upon, "to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone" (Rev 4:2), having His own "nature" (Gal 4:8).

See also "back parts" (Exo 33:23), and even a "divine nature" (2 Pet 1:4), see also "under his feet" (Exo 24:20).

The angels are also called 'spirits' and "persons" (Luk 15:7) ("fellows"; Heb 1:9), "young man" (Mark 16:5; Dan 9:21; &c), and yet have real celestial (Heavenly) "bodies" with unfallen angelic "flesh" (1 Cor 15:35-58; Jude 1:7, Gen 17-19, &c) an unfallen heavenly "nature" (Heb 2:16), where as we have bodies terrestrial (dust).

The Son is also a "person" (Heb 1:3; 2 Cor 2:10; Matt 27:24; Deuteronomy 27:25; &c). and so too the Holy Ghost (Jhn 14:16; &c)

Mankind are also called 'spirits' (1 Pet 3:19; Heb 12:23) and yet are real tangible beings, with bodies (made of terrestrial (earthly) dust, while Angels (Angelic beings) are made of Celestial (Heavenly) materials, stronger materials than the dust of this terrestrial earth). For instance, the chemical makeup of mankind is:

Now think for a moment, that the Angelic beings are made a little higher than mankind (Psa 8:5; Heb 2:7,9), but his means that they are composed of higher or greater/stronger elements. Imagine being made of the elements of diamond, silver, gold or something else.

Php 2:6; Dan 3:25; Gen 18:4, 19:2; Exo 24:10-11; Psa 18:9; Jhn 5:37; Exo 33:23,20,22; Dan 7:9-10,13; Eze 1:1,8,26-28; Acts 7:55-56; Psa 24:1-10; Jhn 20:17; 1 Pet 3:22; Matt 18:10; Rev 1:13-20, 2:1, 4:1-11, 5:1-14; Heb 1:13; Col 1:3-6; Num 12:8; Isa 45:23, 48:3; Rev 3:16; Psa 89:34, 104:33, 146:2; Acts 17:28; Gen 1:26-27; Col 1:15; &c.

Davy said:

The resurrection body is a "spiritual body", NOT a flesh body. The "It" that is sown in corruption (flesh) is our 'mortal soul'.

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You are incorrect. The "spiritual body" is the glorified immortal body of flesh and bones made of celestial (Heavenly) material under the control of the Holy Ghost/Spirit, thus the raised "body" (made of "celestial" matter, having celestial "flesh") no longer desirous of sin (because of the sanctified mind/heart), is now "spiritual", being eternally submitted and subject to God's Law of the Ten Commandments. Heaven (whether 1st, 2nd or 3rd) are real and tanglible. Our atmosphere is tanglible and made of real atoms, ions, etc. So also the 'space' of the Second heaven in which the Sun, Moon and stars exists, which themselves are also made of Heavenly materials. So likewise the 3rd Heaven. Paradise is not an intangible, aethereal place of nothings.

Truly, the mortal living soul (Genesis 2:7) will indeed die in the ground (as a "seed"), but it is "raised" (from out of the ground) incorruptible. Paul states that there are differing "kinds" of "flesh", both of earth ("terrestrial"), as mankind does now have, and Heaven ("celestial"), as the Angels do now have.

The 'Heaven' you imagine is 'nothing'. You merely give 'nothings' names, but have no substance to anything therein. You cannot even describe what the 'hand' is in such a vain imagination.

Yet, Angels have real hands, feet, eyes, mouths, digestion system, brains/mind, etc.