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Jane_Doe22

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I have no questions of my own for you at this time
Then please quit hounding me for things you have no interest in listening to the answers of. Such is not seeking learning, it's just goading, and I have been extremely polite in my reasonable request to have you stop with such.
 

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I'm not hiding from anyone, nor refusing to answer. And have consistently taught that Christ is the centre of all that scripture teaches. If doctrine does not include Jesus, it is a false doctrine. For example, the law of ten commandments is all about Jesus and His righteousness. He, Jesus, gave the law at Sinai... Joseph in the OT said when running away from Potiphars's wife...I cannot sin against my master nor my God... If the righteousness we are to hunger and thirst for through faith in Christ is not in harmony with the law, them it is not righteousness. And you know that can be shown from scripture. That is not religion. That is not a man made system of bondage or vain worship. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness. That is, seek Jesus, for only in Him can anyone be freed from sin. Come to Me all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Jesus doesn't give you rest from your labours by removing the law, but by writing it on your heart. And it's the same law as what He gave Moses on those stone tablets. It hasn't changed. And sin is still the transgression of it.
You are still doing it preaching the doctrines of the SDA religion. You are so busy trying to please God by your flesh you are rejecting all the grace of God.
But thanks to your persistence I finaly got the bigger picture. Lets do point it to make it simple.

1. Adam sinned and sin and death came into the world.
Rom_5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
2. If God had left the world in that state, man would have forever died and there would be no salvation to mankind. No hope.

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3. God gave Moses the law this bit.
Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
4. What the law brought was judgment for ones sins as Paul put it.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

So now there was judgement, with judgment there is a penalty, a price to be paid , with the law there is only one "blood, death". No other

Now that there is a penalty God could do the final payment, HE could now shut that awful loophole that brought death upon mankind, and so along cam Christ.
the hone and only perfect sacrifice who could pay that penalty and HE did it for all. That is the part you are rejecting.

You insist on putting you flesh on display on that cross, awaiting judgement for your sins, and the only penalty you will find is death. You cannot be judged for you sins by the law and be found innocent, not even Christ could.. that is what Grace was for, this you persistently tread underfoot.

And so your religion has condemned all its people with death by the law, and the people cry Hallelujah and rejoice. Such foolishness.

You should be rejoicing in God wonderful plan not your flesh.
 

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Thankyou. At last you recognise the teachings of our church are biblical.
LOL but not recalling very well what our friend @mjrhealth says about the Bible and therefore of things "biblical", you could hardly call what he said complementary!
 

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Thankyou. At last you recognise the teachings of our church are biblical.
So is BOLS ,and most other religions, but they-re all wrong just like yours. Because they are not Christ.

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

And so men do.
 

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LOL but not recalling very well what our friend @mjrhealth says about the Bible and therefore of things "biblical", you could hardly call what he said complementary!
The bible has its place it is not God, nor is it Jesus, and when people wake up to the fact that Christ is wiling if they are, it will be too late . so filled up with religion and study no place for Jesus left to do anything. That cup thingy.
 
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Haha! Well it may not in the circles you choose to move in...but it does in mine...more than once... It may have not 'actually' have happened as he said, but it sure does 'happen'. Our God is a supernatural God.

"A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with just a argument"

Cessationism is a god in their own image. :)

Be blessed bro.
Helen
Thanks for your response.
Scriptures are the safe Harbor God provided for us, not anecdotal experiences.
Whose experience do you believe?
Joseph Smith? the 3 little girls who said the Virgin Mary appeared to them?
Oral Roberts saying he saw and spoke with a 900ft .tall Jesus?

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
 
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The bible has its place it is not God, nor is it Jesus, and when people wake up to the fact that Christ is wiling if they are, it will be too late . so filled up with religion and study no place for Jesus left to do anything. That cup thingy.
“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20
I admire and agree with your principles and general affirmation of Jesus, and wholeheartedly approve of your desire to uphold Him above all things... Bottom line though my brother, is that if you don't believe what He says, your profession of faith in Him as a person is worthless... You are calling Him a liar. If the Jesus you teach about and uphold is in contradiction to scripture... Then my friend you are in trouble.

The people of God are directed to the Scriptures as their safeguard against the influence of false teachers and the delusive power of spirits of darkness. Satan employs every possible device to prevent men from obtaining a knowledge of the Bible; for its plain utterances reveal his deceptions. At every revival of God’s work the prince of evil is aroused to more intense activity; he is now putting forth his utmost efforts for a final struggle against Christ and His followers. The last great delusion is soon to open before us. Antichrist is to perform his marvelous works in our sight. So closely will the counterfeit resemble the true that it will be impossible to distinguish between them except by the Holy Scriptures. By their testimony every statement and every miracle must be tested.
 

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Anthony Anthony Anthony Thank you, for your judgement!
Not a problem my friend. Of course you know we are to judge righteousness judgment. Jn7:24.
I can be of much more help to you if you get grounded in scripture and do not depart for feelings and impressions.
 
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Gtw,
On this board it seems there is a mistaken notion that the "loving" thing to do is affirm people in error.
A cult like Mormonism is "not so bad".
Lesbians and other fornicators are told they are just fine on here.
If anyone loves them biblically however they will offer scriptural correction.
 
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Gtw,
On this board it seems there is a mistaken notion that the "loving" thing to do is affirm people in error.
A cult like Mormonism is "not so bad".
Lesbians and other fornicators are told they are just fine on here.
If anyone loves them biblically however they will offer scriptural correction.
Let me explain how this type of conversation goes:
The anti-cultist says: “you’re damned for worshiping a flying purple spaghetti monster. Stop that and instead follow me!l”
Jane: “I don’t worship a flying purple spaghetti monster, in fact none of what you’ve said is accurate. I love Christ: can we talk about Christ?“
Anti-cultist: “No, we can't talk about Christ- we must talk about the flying purple spaghetti monster I believe your worship! you don’t know the truth- only I can tell you what you truly believe! Follow me!”
Jane: “... “

After a few decades of this re-run, it’s beyond old.

I don't care if any man likes what I believe. And if that man can't be bothered to actually listen and get the facts straight about what I do believe, then they obviously don't care about me, being factual, and they;'re not going to convince me that they really care about Christ.

Also to be frank, even if a person honestly and clearly cares about Christ (which is awesome), I'm not going to follow them instead of Christ.
 
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Gtw,
On this board it seems there is a mistaken notion that the "loving" thing to do is affirm people in error.
A cult like Mormonism is "not so bad".
Lesbians and other fornicators are told they are just fine on here.
If anyone loves them biblically however they will offer scriptural correction.
Ppl would rather have other ppl love them all the way to hell than be offered correction. :(
 
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Anthony D'Arienzo

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Let me explain how this type of conversation goes:
The anti-cultist says: “you’re damned for worshiping a flying purple spaghetti monster. Stop that and instead follow me!l”
Jane: “I don’t worship a flying purple spaghetti monster, in fact none of what you’ve said is accurate. I love Christ: can we talk about Christ?“
Anti-cultist: “No, we can't talk about Christ- we must talk about the flying purple spaghetti monster I believe your worship! you don’t know the truth- only I can tell you what you truly believe! Follow me!”
Jane: “... “

After a few decades of this re-run, it’s beyond old.

I don't care if any man likes what I believe. And if that man can't be bothered to actually listen and get the facts straight about what I do believe, then they obviously don't care about me, being factual, and they;'re not going to convince me that they really care about Christ.

Also to be frank, even if a person honestly and clearly cares about Christ (which is awesome), I'm not going to follow them instead of Christ.
Hello Jane,
Thanks for your response.
The issue is scripture speaks of another Jesus,and another gospel,that cannot save.
2 Cor 11:3-4 clearly warns of this danger.
Mormons, JWs, have another Jesus that cannot save.
This is the concern. Can you understand what 2cor11 is saying?
 
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Jane_Doe22

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Hello Jane,
Thanks for your response.
The issue is scripture speaks of another Jesus,and another gospel,that cannot save.
2 Cor 11:3-4 clearly warns of this danger.
Mormons, JWs, have another Jesus that cannot save.
This is the concern. Can you understand what 2cor11 is saying?
Anthony: all of the judgement you are making about me is based on bad information. You can spend all day telling me to stop believing something I don't believe in the first place, it's not going to change anything except waste everyone's time.
 
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The people of God are directed to the Scriptures as their safeguard against the influence of false teachers and the delusive power of spirits of darkness. Satan employs every possible device to prevent men from obtaining a knowledge of the Bible
And the bible is his favorite tool. Guess how many denominations he has under his thumb. Every religion on this earth says theirs is the only right one yours is no different. I leave the lying part to Jesus when He judges you as you demand HE do. That I will have no part in.
 

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Ppl would rather have other ppl love them all the way to hell than be offered correction. :(

One has to earn the right to correct, because if the hearer rejects the foundation nothing else will be listened to. Forums seem only an appropriate place to discuss positions, and the reason or experiences upon which they are based.

Correction in scriptural terms normally implies the ability to sanction the other party, by a rejection from a group of believers etc. That does not work here. But then many believe they know so much, others must take their expressions and opinions seriously, when actually neither the expression or the standing add up to very much.

Sadly I have to assume people on forums are like the world rather than the body of Christ, because so many turn out to be very different from the scriptural intent of a brotherly loving believer with a heart to encourage and share openly. Share the wrong thing, and to hell you are sent without even a polite hello, nice to meet you. God bless.
 

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One has to earn the right to correct, because if the hearer rejects the foundation nothing else will be listened to. Forums seem only an appropriate place to discuss positions, and the reason or experiences upon which they are based.

Correction in scriptural terms normally implies the ability to sanction the other party, by a rejection from a group of believers etc. That does not work here. But then many believe they know so much, others must take their expressions and opinions seriously, when actually neither the expression or the standing add up to very much.

Sadly I have to assume people on forums are like the world rather than the body of Christ, because so many turn out to be very different from the scriptural intent of a brotherly loving believer with a heart to encourage and share openly. Share the wrong thing, and to hell you are sent without even a polite hello, nice to meet you. God bless.
Fortunately the critics speaking so clearly and correctly according to them on God's behalf are not the ones who will render final judgment against anyone. So many still believe, it seems, they are an exception to what Solomon wrote 3,000 years ago:

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2