The "like manner" of Acts 1:9-11

Waiting on him · Jan 28, 2020

ScottA said:
That is a great observation!

It is the body of Christ that is His body, his flesh in the world until the end. Yes, it could even be said that "Christ in us" is that "like manner."

Absolutely it’s how He is manifest

justbyfaith · Jan 28, 2020

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (is a Man sitting on the right hand of the throne of God); and is also a Spirit who comes to dwell in us.

Because of His Triune nature, this is possible.

Waiting on him · Jan 28, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Jesus Christ is come in the flesh; and is also a Spirit who comes to dwell in us.

Because of His Triune nature, this is possible.

Absolutely, a body have you prepared for me.

Waiting on him · Jan 28, 2020

I believe this is what @ScottA is trying to say, He’s in the flesh right now..... here??

VictoryinJesus · Jan 28, 2020

ScottA said:
Acts 1:11
"Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

Now it seems reasonable to determine that the acts of God whom is spirit would in "like manner", be spiritual or in spirit. This would be according to Christ's own clarification that, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:6

How is it then, that so many (nearly all) people read of Jesus' ascension where He delivers on His committing only His spirit to the Father, consider the "like manner" to be the likeness of the flesh and what is common to this world...when the subject is the kingdom of God which is not of this world? What is the likeness to the things of the flesh and the things of this world?

I tell you--there is none!

It would appear that few have actually taken to heart that those born of the flesh, in addition to the need to be born again of the spirit of God...also need to develop a new perspective, a kingdom perspective, the "renewing of your mind" to spiritual things...and let that fleshly and worldly perspective die once and for all with that "old man."

And then get ready...because the word of God will take on a whole new meaning "in spirit and in truth!"

two passages hoping you can give perspective to: Romans 8:11-14 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. [12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

2 Corinthians 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

ScottA · Jan 28, 2020

Waiting on him said:
2 Corinthians 6:16 KJV
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Are you guys saying that I have a flesh and bone man walking around inside of me?
Tecarta Bible

VictoryinJesus said:
two passages hoping you can give perspective to: Romans 8:11-14 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. [12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

2 Corinthians 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

Certainly:

Romans 8:11-14, the key word to bring perspective is "mortify", meaning "put to death." This is not to say "glorify" or "supernaturalize", but rather to lay it down, to sacrifice that body as Christ did, that the spirit of God born in you should live. Likewise, the use of the word "quicken" should mean immortalizing the flesh, but rather that the flesh be sacrificed or under subjection to the spirit, giving life to the spirit.

2 Corinthians 4:11, is very much the same as Paul's claim that "for me, to live is Christ." But if you will recall, this he said sharing his desire to continue to be of service to Christ in the flesh, even though he might rather die in the flesh that he might gain life in the spirit with Christ. Which by remaining in the world and in the flesh, meant making "manifest" Christ "in him" according to the promise of Christ to His church.

justbyfaith · Jan 28, 2020

A lot can be determined about whether a person is theologically sound, based on whether or not they capitalize words that refer to God or the Spirit of God.

VictoryinJesus · Jan 28, 2020

ScottA said:
Certainly:

Romans 8:11-14, the key word to bring perspective is "mortify", meaning "put to death." This is not to say "glorify" or "supernaturalize", but rather to lay it down, to sacrifice that body as Christ did, that the spirit of God born in you should live. Likewise, the use of the word "quicken" should mean immortalizing the flesh, but rather that the flesh be sacrificed or under subjection to the spirit, giving life to the spirit.

2 Corinthians 4:11, is very much the same as Paul's claim that "for me, to live is Christ." But if you will recall, this he said sharing his desire to continue to be of service to Christ in the flesh, even though he might rather die in the flesh that he might gain life in the spirit with Christ. Which by remaining in the world and in the flesh, meant making "manifest" Christ "in him" according to the promise of Christ to His church.

thank you. One last question as this has always been confusing to me. Is “the body of sins” the same as flesh? I ask because someone Once said I always make like flesh is evil when it is sin which is evil. Psalm 63:1 O God, thou art my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;

VictoryinJesus · Jan 28, 2020

justbyfaith said:
A lot can be determined about whether a person is theologically sound, based on whether or not they capitalize words that refer to God or the Spirit of God.

lots of times in the Bible “him” is lowercase when it maybe should be Capitalized. What does that mean?

Earburner · Jan 28, 2020

Waiting on him said:
I believe this is what @ScottA is trying to say, He’s in the flesh right now..... here??

Yes! By his Holy Spirit, we all who are of faith, are made to be the body of Christ, but that does not negate the Immortal body of Christ Himself, who is in Heaven with His Father, having the ability to manifest Himself in the Spirit, as well as in Immortal flesh.
If you remember, after Jesus' resurrection, the disciples were in a room with the doors shut, for fear of the Jews, and Jesus physically appeared to them in the room.
How did He enter the room, when no one opened the door?
Scott has no answer!

VictoryinJesus · Jan 28, 2020

Earburner said:
How did He enter the room, when no one opened the door?

Could be His demonstrating His power as an “open door” Revelation 3:7-8 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; [8] I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Earburner · Jan 28, 2020

Waiting on him said:
2 Corinthians 6:16 KJV
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Are you guys saying that I have a flesh and bone man walking around inside of me?
Tecarta Bible

You were born again by the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, who is the comforter, being both the Father and the Son!! Jesus, now in His Immortal state, is both God and the New man, being the firstborn from the dead, as the first creature of the NEW Creation.

As the second Person of the Godhead, He now has the ability to manifest Himself as that New Immortal man of "flesh and bone" and/or live as Spirit.
His Sacrifice was more than for just one day! It was for ALL Eternity.
Prior to His Sacrifice, He was always Spirit WITH the Father.

No man shall see God the Father ever, but Jesus is the express image of God, of whom WE SHALL look upon, in order to see God.
Hebrews 1:1-3

Earburner · Jan 28, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
Could be His demonstrating His power as an “open door” Revelation 3:7-8 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; [8] I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

All of that is metaphorically speaking of His finished work/sacrifice for our salvation as believers, as well as condemnation for those of unbelief. John 3:18.
We must open the door (of our heart/being) and allow Him to dwell within us. See Revelation 3:20,
Luke 11:13

VictoryinJesus · Jan 28, 2020

Earburner said:
Prior to His Sacrifice, He was always Spirit WITH the Father.

then who is this? Joshua 5:13-15 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? [14] And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? [15] And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Is it not the same captain here Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

VictoryinJesus · Jan 28, 2020

Earburner said:
All of that is metaphorically speaking of His finished work/sacrifice for our salvation as believers, as well as condemnation for those of unbelief. John 3:18.
We must open the door (of our heart/being) and allow Him to dwell within us. See Revelation 3:20,
Luke 11:13

was only suggesting (an opinion) why He walked through doors that were shut. wouldn’t assume He did it to impress anybody ...went back to reread the verse and does it actually say He walked through a shut door or it is implied?

VictoryinJesus · Jan 28, 2020

Earburner said:
We must open the door (of our heart/being) and allow Him to dwell within us.

Earburner said:
How did He enter the room, when no one opened the door?

Romans 10:20-21 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. [21] But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Earburner · Jan 28, 2020

ScottA said:
That is a great observation!

It is the body of Christ that is His body, his flesh in the world until the end. Yes, it could even be said that "Christ in us" is that "like manner."

Scott, you must quote the whole scripture in context, otherwise you are just cutting and then pasting as you like, in order to sell your fabrication.
Acts 1[10] And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
[11] Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

As it is written, the verse speaks far differently, than what you are selling.

Earburner · Jan 28, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
was only suggesting (an opinion) why He walked through doors that were shut. wouldn’t assume He did it to impress anybody ...went back to reread the verse and does it actually say He walked through a shut door or it is implied?

The disciples shut the doors, for fear of the Jews.
If you suspect or fear that someone might be after you, do you leave the doors unlocked/open?
Not likely! The scripture is sufficient enough to help us conclude that Jesus is both Spirit and Immortal flesh, and manifests Himself at will.

What was Paul on the road to Damascus all about? Was it a vision, or a literal manifestation of the Immortal Christ from Glory? There were witnesses, that something did happen. Acts 9: 1-8

VictoryinJesus · Jan 28, 2020

Earburner said:
The disciples shut the doors, for fear of the Jews.
If you suspect or fear that someone might be after you, do you leave the doors unlocked/open?

yes they were afraid of the Jews, hiding behind shut doors for fear of what men could do to them. Then He is in standing in the midst of them. Could say He was foreshadowing what He would do to a fearful heart, walking through shut doors without anyone opening the door and standing in the midst of them. look at how they went from the spirit of fear before the Holy Spirit entered in and He stands is in the midst, everything changed. 2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Earburner said:
The scripture is sufficient enough to help us conclude that Jesus is both Spirit and Immortal flesh, and manifests Himself at will.

His walking through shut doors doesn't really prove it (IMO) but is about as much speculation as what I suggested.

Earburner said:
What was Paul on the road to Damascus all about? Was it a vision, or a literal manifestation of the Immortal Christ from Glory? There were witnesses, that something did happen. Acts 9: 1-8

Did Paul open the door and invite Him in? Pretty much got set with his face to the ground.

Earburner · Jan 28, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
then who is this? Joshua 5:13-15 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? [14] And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? [15] And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Is it not the same captain here Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

No, it is an angel as captain of the host (army) of the Lord, being in the order of the angels.
2 Thessalonian 1:7 calls them as "mighty angels".

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